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Let's just call a spade a spade.

posted 8 years ago by AceRoccola
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If you think that a movie in which rapists and murderers are killed is "demonizing men" everywhere, you have an utterly twisted view of men. This film no more demonizes men than any other film in which men play the villains. All men are not rapists, just as all men are not serial killers. A film that demonizes rape and the murder of innocents is not a film that demonizes men. It only demonizes men who rape and murder.

You MRAs like to prattle on about how you're disgusted by the gender assassination you claim is happening in these films, but be honest: what really bothers you is seeing women triumph over men on film. It's the same reason you dim bulbs troll films like You're Next at every opportunity. You're so warped, and so insecure in your own gender, that you identify with the rapists and the murderers just because they're up against a woman.

Seriously, how many of you have made this same thread or these same teary-eyed posts on the Deliverance boards? All of the villains in that film are male. It is a rape/revenge film, no matter how you try to avoid it. It just so happens that you're perfectly comfortable with Burt Reynolds killing a bunch of hillbilly rapists, yet totally offended when the person dealing out the revenge is female. Why is it acceptable for a man to exact revenge for his rape, or the rape of a guy that he knows, but not acceptable for a woman to do the same? Let me guess, it has something to do with "feminazis".

[–] Zombie55 8 years ago

I know this might be a cliched thing to offer but if MRAs are really so ignorant and stupid yet still stubborn and twisted in their views, if we cannot punish them completely, why don't we just ignore them and walk away from them and not give them or any of their views real importance?

Why not just forget about them and pretend they don't exist?

Or is humanity overall nowhere near as simple?

How do we even KNOW so much about them?

[–] Zombie55 8 years ago

I honestly thought before that the world we live in, whilst often cruel and unfair, is never really that confusing.

As in - these are the god guys and those are the bad guys.

But conversations like these which involve MRAs OFFICIALLY sympathizing with "rapists and murderers" like that makes the world a very confusing place indeed.

Its as if we humans are our own worst enemy even if we aren't engaging in some major wars like World Wars 1 & 2 involving millions of people.

And if these people really are that stupid etc, why don't we just ignore them instead of trying to appeal to them with questions etc as if hoping we could change them?

Besides, are there any NON-MRAs and non femi-nists etc who may think this OR that, as in, feel empathy towards bad people when revenge is being exacted upon them?

Interestingly enough, I also wonder why the abbreviation MRA only has ONE definition for it, it being that it stands for Mens Rights Activists? Because, based on what little research I've done on them, after only discovering them around 2013 or so in all my 29 years of living, according to how and what they think, shouldn't MRA also stand for something like MORAL RELATIVITY is ABSOLUTE?

Because how then DOES it explain that people who belong to this group feel empathy with men who commit appalling acts of rape, abuse, violence and possibly even murder etc and believe that they shouldn't be punished for it? Isn't that the view of moral relativists as well, like that dude in Gaspar Noe's "I Stand Alone" (1998) film?

What does rape, murder, violence and being in defense of them, logically speaking, even have to DO with "men's rights" like in the first place? (MOST men I know DON'T consider those things acceptable, for men against women OR otherwise.)

People can be cruel and ignorant, I agree - but this phenomenon takes a new step of also not really making sense.

What, exactly, has happened to humanity at some modern point of life that have allowed this phenomenon to spawn where humans generally don't consider certain long known acts to be offensive crimes that they are and how many people in humanity think otherwise which also, and thankfully, at least allows laws to exist that deter and recognize them, and killing in self defense and revenge when there is no other option?

One day I should make a thread topic entitled "MRA also stands for MORAL RELATIVITY is ABSOLUTE or why men's rights activists are also constantly fighting for moral relativity in humanity."

[–] R_Kane (15828) a year ago

Too long to read.

[–] maggieameanderings 8 years ago

Zombie55 said:
I know this might be a cliched thing to offer but if MRAs are really so ignorant and stupid yet still stubborn and twisted in their views, if we cannot punish them completely, why don't we just ignore them and walk away from them and not give them or any of their views real importance?

Because I have much more fun mocking them. I post about how they're like that old prank where someone tapes a "Kick Me" sign on the back of some unsuspecting person who has no idea it's there. Except in the case of MRAs they're walking around with a "TOTAL LOSER WITH WOMEN" sign that they don't even know they're wearing, but the rest of us can see. So I mock them and laugh at them at how they're letting the rest of us know what losers they are and how they've never had a successful relationship with a woman.

So much more fun and if you humiliate them enough (or, in this case, point out how they're humiliating themselves) you can even get them to shut-up. Not necessarily to change their minds............but to shut-up. I don't know if they shut-up completely, but after I've highlighted this sad, loser information that they've inadvertently let slip, the MRA suddenly stopped posting on a board.

MRAs have such fragile, delicate, easily-bruised egos.

[–] thulk01 8 years ago

Are people actually complaining about that? Nobody I know is. I had to google MRA to see what it meant because I've never even heard of it.

Most of these "equal rights" groups really don't care about equal rights, they just want THEIR group to have more rights than the other group.

As far as "demonizing men" I'm not sure what their argument is but I can kind of see how movies/tv do tend to depict unattractive or socially unusual guys as creepy rapists which leads to girls in real life being overly cautious. For example I think many girls in real life would have been very wary about even going into that photography studio at the start and just being around any men they don't know (even though the majority of men have no interest in raping/killing). A lot of girls also do have that idea of "any man who steps within 10 feet of me must be hitting on me" ... I remember one time a girl dropped something accidentally without realizing it, and I tapped her to give it back to her and she looked like I was handing her a used condom or something, even though I had no interest in hitting on her or even talking to her outside of handing her her stuff back.

[–] heyteegs 8 years ago

I had to google it too.

MRA = Men's Rights Activist (not magnetic resonance angiogram)

http://crewdtees.com/category/sex

[–] Ike_McAdoo 7 years ago

you did better than i did. i came up with moral re-armament and quit.

[–] andrewrrrr 7 years ago

I feel like you don't know what happens in deliverance. Burt Reynolds doesn't kill a bunch of rapists, they kill one guy and they don't even know if he was a rapist or not.

And yeah, a movie that presents every male character as a rapist scumbag who gets killed by a woman then that movie has a disrespectful and negative portrayal of men and could definitely be called a "man-hating movie".