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In defense of Mr. Oscar Angulo:


Every movie needs a villain. Unfortunately, in real life, things are not as clear-cut black and white.

In defense of Mr. Oscar Angulo:

1. The couple met in Peru. He left his country, culture, language, and traditions to follow her to her country, her culture, her language & her traditions.

2. Housing projects, welfare, home-schooling vouchers, none of these social services exist in Peru. So, Mr. Angulo would be oblivious to their existence. The only one that would know how to apply for these programs would be the mom, Susanne.

3. Mr. Angulo grew up in Peru. His first language was probably some indigenous dialect or Spanish. Yet, his children grew up speaking English, their mother’s language.

4. Mr. Angulo is a dark skinned immigrant man with a thick accent. He probably suffered discrimination. The cold, hostile stares probably made him think that America was an evil, cold place. The only place he felt safe was at home with his wife. That is probably why he wanted to protect his kids from the cruel outside world.


5. Why didn’t they interview Mr. Angulo in his language, whether it be Spanish or some other indigenous dialect?

Addendum to my previous list of comments:

6. The family practiced the Hare Krishna religion. How did a Peruvian Indian boy hear about this weird, American hippie religion based on ancient Hindu scriptures? Most Peruvians are Catholic! The only one that had visited Tibet was the mom, Susanne.

7. If you see pictures of the mom, Susanne, when she was younger, she was a stunning beauty! The dad, Oscar, not so much. Poor guy didn't stand a chance! He followed her to a whole other continent!

8. The mom, Susanne, is much older in age and has much more world experience from her travels, she should have known better!

I wish someone would interview Oscar's Peruvian mom, and ask her what she thinks of the situation. In her eyes, some older blue-eyed "gringa" stole her little Indian boy, took him far, far away, and she never saw him again!

9. The father taught them how to play the guitar, so now they can pretend to be rock stars.

10. The greatest gift that their parents, their father and mother, gave them was each other. How many people have the privilege of growing up with 6 brothers? You will always have a friend that will understand your childhood completely, because they were there, too.

Finally, the children look more Peruvian than white. If it weren’t for the novelty of the movie and them being all together and so similar looking, things would be different. In other words, a Latino male in New York City suffers discrimination just like a black male. Sometimes, even worse, because people assume they are undocumented.

I would like to see the boys reconcile with their father and together visit the land of their Peruvian ancestors. The land of the Inca warriors and Spanish conquistadores.

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This is the most misogynistic piece of *beep* I've ever read on IMDB.

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This is the most misogynistic piece of *beep* I've ever read on IMDB.


You ain't kidding.

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It really is. And that's saying something.

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While the comments on Oscar's cultural and social background are interesting and perhaps peripherally relevant, Oscar most likely suffers from schizophrenia. He is obviously delusional, refers to himself as God, and appears to be hallucinating at times. Certainly his judgment is just godawful and he was responsible for essentially imprisoning his family for many years. I'm not inclined to be very sympathetic towards him.

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Exactly, he's sick and abusive and alcoholic. The mother is to blame too for allowing it to happen.

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bluesdoctor, your post sounds very racist.


Anyway, I'm watching the film now on Netflix. Interesting.





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I'm watching it right now on Neflix, & he was interviewed @ 1:05. He is lucid and his English is quite good. He says he has nothing to apologize for.

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¿Usted entiende esto? ¿Qué tal esto? ¿No? ¿Por qué? Debido a que esta en otro idioma! ¿Tal vez porque no es su lenguaje?

Você entende isso? Que tal isso? Não? Por quê? Porque ele está em uma outra língua! Não é a sua linguagem.

Vous comprenez cela? Que dis-tu de ça? Non? Pourquoi? Parce qu'il est dans une autre langue! Pas votre langue.

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Sí , yo vivía en Los Ángeles. Todos aprendemos un poco de español porque no somos pendejos

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What if I wrote it in Chinese? Would you still be able to understand? My point is Mr. Angulo might have basic every day English conversational skills, but when it comes to more meaningful words, he probably struggles to understand!

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Have you actually watched the movie? He speaks rather eloquently about his feelings and his relationship with his kids and has a pretty good vocabulary for ESL. Also, it's entirely possible to navigate the US, especially NYC, as a Spanish speaker. When I lived in LA, many of my friends grandparents & parents didn't speak English, and they had jobs and friends and religious communities.


To quote him "We are all victims of circumstance in this life. When we understand that, we don't blame each other."


Why are you determined to paint Oscar as an idiot ?

My grandmother arrived in this country without knowing any English and she didn't imprison her children. You're doing a real disservice to the thousands of immigrants who all sacrifice to give their children an education and opportunities.

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To quote him "We are all victims of circumstance in this life. When we understand that, we don't blame each other." This is him letting himself off the hook, forgiving himself. Despicable.

He refused to work and imprisoned his kids. He's not the victim, he's the perpetrator. And it's clear the boys DO blame him, and they should.

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The mom, Susanne, is not so innocent. The children grew up in her country, speaking her language, celebrating her traditions and culture. The children are immersed in American culture, but do not know anything about their Latin heritage.

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The film makers should have interviewed the father is his native tongue! I think he would have been better able to explain his "reasoning" in his native language.

The documentary clearly shows who dominated the house. The family spoke English, listened to American music, watched American movies, ate American foods and practiced an American hippie religion.

If the father had been in control, things would have been different. The family would have spoken Spanish, they would have listened to Latin music, they would have watched Spanish-language movies, they would have grown up Catholic, and more importantly eating Latin food!

Maybe, it’s not to late, maybe there is still time for them to embrace their Latin roots.

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He locked his family in an apartment and controlled using fear. I can't think of an explanation good enough to write off that behavior.

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That wife is the reason.

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That wife is the reason.

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Did we watch the same movie..?

Mukunda said "Only father had the keys to front doors." Mother was only allowed to go out for appointments and in emergencies. Does that sound like SHE was in charge?

I'm not excusing her. I think both are responsible for screwing up their kids. Because all of them are not normal and they will never be.

If you think outside world is dangerous, only way to survive is to live in the big city, locked in an apartment for years. No way should you move somewhere far away from the city. Right?

I came to USA 20 years ago with my husband. We got green cards- we came here legally. At the time my family (parents and siblings) lived in Brooklyn. We lived with them for few months, then moved to New Jersey. We lived there for almost 10 years. Finally, we moved to Pennsylvania. And we love it here.

Both of us aren't big fans of crowds (ergo- move to PA), but I would never ever kept my kids locked in the house.

We are working full time jobs, we own the house, drive cars, pay our taxes. Our older son is in college now, younger starting high school in the fall.

We moved from Eastern European country. Didn't know English. We learned it here, on our own. We've assimilated.

We've never been on Welfare. No food stamps. No free home, no help from government whatsoever. All we have, we worked hard for. Why couldn't he? His bull story about fighting the power by not working... Please... If you are lazy, you will find any excuse not to work.

I think he tells a lot of cr@p. Anything to make himself look better. Selfish prick. And who's the victim? Kids. Always kids...

This line does not exist.

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1. The couple met in Peru. He left his country, culture, language, and traditions to follow her to her country, her culture, her language & her traditions.


He didn't follow her to the Midwest where she was from, nor did he follow her language, culture or traditions of living on a farm and letting the children live a life close to nature.

2. Housing projects, welfare, home-schooling vouchers, none of these social services exist in Peru. So, Mr. Angulo would be oblivious to their existence. The only one that would know how to apply for these programs would be the mom, Susanne.


Mr. Angulo is well aware of social services and what countries provide the best social benefits, which is why he said his ultimate goal was to move to Scandinavia. He only wanted to come to New York to make some money first.

3. Mr. Angulo grew up in Peru. His first language was probably some indigenous dialect or Spanish. Yet, his children grew up speaking English, their mother’s language.


This doesn't mean that it was the mother's plan to move to New York and be imprisoned with her children. The fact that she spent almost all of her time with them and shared their prison would certainly explain why they speak English, though.

4. Mr. Angulo is a dark skinned immigrant man with a thick accent. He probably suffered discrimination. The cold, hostile stares probably made him think that America was an evil, cold place. The only place he felt safe was at home with his wife. That is probably why he wanted to protect his kids from the cruel outside world.


This is speculation and apparently assumes that the Angulo's lived in an area of New York where the majority of residents had lighter skin than he did and were actively discriminatory of people with darker skin. There is no evidence of this and the documentary shows otherwise. When the boys leave their apartment, they appear to have far lighter skin than everyone else in their neighborhood. At any rate, there's no scenario where imprisoning and beating your wife is a righteous way to bolster self-esteem or a feeling of security.

5. Why didn’t they interview Mr. Angulo in his language, whether it be Spanish or some other indigenous dialect?


He speaks English perfectly well and did so when he cooperated briefly with the filmmakers late in the film.

6. The family practiced the Hare Krishna religion. How did a Peruvian Indian boy hear about this weird, American hippie religion based on ancient Hindu scriptures? Most Peruvians are Catholic! The only one that had visited Tibet was the mom, Susanne.


Mr. Angulo was a guide for many foreigners while living in Peru. It's almost certain that he learned about the religion from one of them and I think it's highly possible that you're correct in guessing that he learned it from Susanne. He certainly benefited from a religion in which he could set himself up as a god and dictate that his family worship him as such.

7. If you see pictures of the mom, Susanne, when she was younger, she was a stunning beauty! The dad, Oscar, not so much. Poor guy didn't stand a chance! He followed her to a whole other continent!


Poor guy didn't stand a chance of what? Marrying a stunning beauty who could help him get American citizenship?? You seem to be contradicting your own statement here. Again, he said himself he came to America to make money and planned to move on to Scandinavia when he was wealthy enough. This was certainly not the plan of Susanne, who went to Peru to get away from American and be closer to nature. She also married a poor, ugly guy as you pointed out yourself. None of the facts suggest that it was her idea to come to New York.

8. The mom, Susanne, is much older in age and has much more world experience from her travels, she should have known better!


Known better than what? Marrying a poor, ugly guy who just wanted to use her to get to Scandinavia by way of New York?

I wish someone would interview Oscar's Peruvian mom, and ask her what she thinks of the situation. In her eyes, some older blue-eyed "gringa" stole her little Indian boy, took him far, far away, and she never saw him again!


Apparently you did since you're speaking for her.

9. The father taught them how to play the guitar, so now they can pretend to be rock stars.


The father planned for them to be rock stars and sign with a record label. Maybe that was part of his scheme to make enough money in New York to move to Scandinavia?

10. The greatest gift that their parents, their father and mother, gave them was each other. How many people have the privilege of growing up with 6 brothers? You will always have a friend that will understand your childhood completely, because they were there, too.


Are you suggesting that Mr. Angulo kept having children so that they could comfort each other in their imprisonment? Doesn't really fit with his scheme to have 10 children and name them after 10 gods that would all serve under him, particularly considering the fact that he didn't make adjustments to their living space as they multiplied.

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The OP must be Oscar himself incognito. That's the only possible explanation for the pile of crap that is the original post and all his other posts.

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I think you're right. There couldn't be anyone else on earth who would defend him.

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Oh, please, anyone would live Peru for America! And the woman could have told her all the benefits there are in America, if he really didn´t know, which is weird in the XX / XXI century.
The man DOESN'T WORK, they have 7 children and not the mother neither the father work!
He didn't feel comfortable because he was discriminated? So you say every dark skinned inmigrant lives indoors??? Oh please!

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