How did this anti-Christian nonsense get approved? We know that science that conflicts with the Bible is not science, it is LIES. Go to the Creation Museum for some real verifiable science.
shareOkay, there, Christian Taliban member.
shareBecause of freedom.
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Christianity : A god who loves you so much that he'll set fire to you if you don't love him back
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Is this a joke...
share"Is this a joke..."
Yes.
Every anti-science topic on a forum about science is the work of trolls. It's kind of obvious when you think about it. A genuine creationist would never go out of their way to watch a show like Cosmos if they think it's "blasphemous". As Carl Sagan once said of people offended by evolution, they "tend to be less than assiduous in exposing themselves to the evidence. Evidence has little to do with it: What they wish to be true, they believe is true."
"a forum about science"
LOL!!! Debating religion is not science. And thats all this forum talks about. It's easy to debate, its 100% opinion based and requires no education or knowledge. This is why Cosmos ASTO was a failure, it opened this door by making a show that focused on religious topics rather than science.
“Cosmology brings us face-to-face with the deepest mysteries, with questions that were once only treated with religion or myth.” - Carl Sagan
"Debating religion is not science."
Go to the IMDb Science board, you'll often find anti-evolution topics started by trolls pretending to be creationists. Like this bit of flame bait:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000110/inline/238297359
This is why Cosmos ASTO was a failure, it opened this door by making a show that focused on religious topics rather than science.
well i wsasn't joking, the day we se fundies sucking dick in protest, people will believe thay are actually dedicated, nor simply media whores
trashing books is like the Special Olympics even if you burn them all you are still a retard.
I have christian, muslim, and sumerian minded friends. After numerious clashes, I notice that you guys have a "blind spot" to your vision :). You have a blind spot to VASTNESS. To MASSIVENESS.
Recorded human history, the history of (earth) life...is ONE grain of sand in the hourglass of the universe. A grain to the beach or desert that is the history of the universe.
Yet, religious zealots can only see the one grain, only whats immediately right in front of them. Therefore the rest of the sand at the bottom of the hourglass doesn't exist. The rest of the desert or beach isn't there.
This gets to a recent debate I had with a christian duo, which included a cop. We were discussing evolution, when you wouldn't believe what she asked me...she asked me...if evolution is true, how come its not happening TODAY...I give up...its hopeless :)...
Since she has the blind spot to vastness, she went by her tiny human timescale of her lifespan. She was unable to comprehend that today on her teeny timescale means the last 24 hours, last year, last 10 years of time. She was unable to see that evolution is indeed happening at this very moment, but on the MASSIVE timescale of the universe :)! Where one day is equivalent to about 40 MILLION years. One month is over a billion years. According to the universal times scale, we were living in trees just yesterday :)!
She could only see the one grain of sand in front of her, not the billions of grains at the bottom of the hourglass. She believes the earth is not around 4.6 billion years old...they're finding fossils of sea creatures in dry DESERTS. In the Grand Canyon. This would be a good indication that something else was going on here a LONG time ago. Eons. The sun isn't a star...how do they know how it will die...:)...they studied other similar stars older than the Sun? She doesn't want to hear it. Her teeny human timescale doesn't allow for something to be billions of years old or trillions of miles apart.
I wonder, what if the Inquisition was able to become the dominant world order? As much as we dont know today, we'd know a lot less! We'd be still living like the 1500's LOL!
Hehe, the christian minded cop gave the woman his number to give to me to continue the discussion :)...a Mayfly only lives 24 hours, an even smaller scale than of humans! I bet that Mayfly is unaware that theres seasons in the year! Snow! It has one tiny snapshot of the spring, thats it!
Amazing fact of the day: Thor 2 outgrossed Cap 2 in 72% of the markets, and sold more DVD+Blu Rays.
"I wonder, what if the Inquisition was able to become the dominant world order? As much as we dont know today, we'd know a lot less! We'd be still living like the 1500's LOL!"
There was a book by Keith Roberts called Pavane:
1588: Queen Elizabeth is felled by an assassin's bullet. Within the week, the Spanish Armada had set sail and its victory changed the course of history.
1968: England is still dominated by the Church of Rome. There are no telephones, no television, no nuclear power. As Catholicism and the Inquisition tighten their grip, rebellion is growing.
That is the best argument I've seen on this board....well stated Sr.
share"Yet, religious zealots can only see the one grain, only whats immediately right in front of them. Therefore the rest of the sand at the bottom of the hourglass doesn't exist. The rest of the desert or beach isn't there."
Well said.
Same can be said for the religios left who's religion is their political beliefs. There are countless intances where the left base their current views on the last 5 minutes of history.
Take the socalled man-made global cooling, warming, ozone hole, climate change, climate distruption movements. Supported by flavor of the week evidence, which confirmed by flavor of the week movement name changes. Countless circumstances when a droubt, or temperature, is used to support their religious crusade, and the next sentance is "the worst since 100 years ago". Thus completely destroying their original argument.
This is the problem that occurs when scientists are religious about their opinions. When they (like the producers of Cosmos ASTO) claim theories are facts. Real science does not do this. It's entire foundation is keeping an open mind to all possibilties until a theory can be proven as a fact.
"When he found that his long cherished beliefs did not agree with the most precise observations, he accepted the uncomfortable facts. He preferred the hard truth to his dearest illusions. That is the heart of science."
- Carl Sagan on Johannes Kepler
Take the socalled man-made global cooling, warming, ozone hole, climate change, climate distruption movements. Supported by flavor of the week evidence, which confirmed by flavor of the week movement name changes.
"Plot idea: 97% of the world's scientists contrive an environmental crisis, but are exposed by a plucky band of billionaires and oil companies." -- Scott Westerfield
The good thing about science is its true whether you believe it or not.
"Plot idea: 97% of the world's scientists contrive an environmental crisis, but are exposed by a plucky band of billionaires and oil companies." -- Scott Westerfield
shareScience is the study of this earth and how it works, the universe and all.
Why can't we blend science with religion? Why do the two have to clash? What if science is the study of God's creation, but because we as humans have a limit to our knowledge we can't grasp the concept of creation and we have created this theory of evolution. But what if this theory WAS God's creation of light, earth, Water, land, animals and finally us...What if God created all this in his time, in an unknown time as God is infinite and thus timeless. And because us humans NEED a beginning and an end, we need a measurements we have come up with these numbers of billions of years ago, and with this theory of evolution...but what if it's humans limit of knowledge and not being able to understand something being created at the snap of a finger. It's very hard to explain because it's unexplainable.
I understand humans NEED to understand certain things and need answers, but what answers are we going to get from studying billions of years ago or trying to discover things that are thousands of light years ago, we can't, we have no grasp of that knowledge as we have a limit to our knowledge. What if God gave us this limit? What if shifting continents happened a lot quicker than we think they did? As an act of God?
Early human recorded history has many cases of humans having these connections with God, speaking to God. These humans were so wise, and so spiritual and I definitely believe God intended to speak to them for a purpose. To give them a message of love to show to the rest of humankind. If we all lived by this message of love, would there be all this chaos there is in this world right now?
As Christianity mentions,God is our Father, and what if God was trying to teach his children from right and wrong, like any other good father? And like any other good father when us children disobey we get disciplined. What humans have made God to be is a very punishable and unforgiving God, but he is Love in perfection...And I myself don't understand that, it's incomprehensible.
My point is science is the wonders of God, and that's my belief and I am happy with myself to believe that. And like all science there is trial and error, miscalculations and we haven't even scratched the surface of God's creation. As human knowledge is a grain of sand in all the deserts of this universe of God's knowledge/power...As he is infinite...And that is something humans will never understand.
I respect everyone's belief, whether you believe in no god, or God, or gods, whether you believe in evolution, creation, the Big Bang theory or whatever your belief is. As long as you are happy with yourself and treat others the way you would want to be treated, I cannot judge. But I will argue,
what we lack on this earth is love for one another.
I have one more point, as much as technology is amazing in how far it has come, the advancement of technology and the strive for "perfection" has created us so imperfect, and lacking of...something. This path we are taking ourselves into is the path of self-destruction, and it's sad to see. I wish you all a wonderful day.
Why can't we blend science with religion? Why do the two have to clash?
What if science is the study of God's creation, but because we as humans have a limit to our knowledge we can't grasp the concept of creation and we have created this theory of evolution.
What if God created all this in his time, in an unknown time as God is infinite and thus timeless.
Everyone makes their own heaven my friend. You believe what you want,and Ill have faith in my God.
If you want to believe this universe has no creator than go right ahead, but I can't grasp my mind around the theory that it was all created by an explosion and we are all here by chance, and we have no meaning in life, I find it absurd, but that's my belief and I just ask you respect me as I respect you and your belief.
Of course science is humanity's measurement and scale of things, as we need to understand everything and need to have numbers/patterns for everything. We are so self centered and of course it is the only reasonable scientific explanation, because there are no miracles in science, and science is our most advanced knowledge and so therefore nothing can surpass that.
I understand it's hard to believe in something you don't see... But I definitely believe in something I feel.
. . . I can't grasp my mind around the theory that it was all created by an explosion and we are all here by chance. . .
. . .and we have no meaning in life. . .
. . .I find it absurd, but that's my belief and I just ask you respect me as I respect you and your belief.
If you want to believe this universe has no creator than go right ahead, but I can't grasp my mind around the theory that it was all created by an explosion and we are all here by chance, and we have no meaning in life, I find it absurd,
I've never understood why people have trouble accepting the idea that the universe is here by chance.
EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US exists through chance. I had a great grandmother who almost became a nun. At the last minute she changed her mind. If she HAD taken her final vows, I wouldn't be here now, typing posts on this message board where people argue about religion. Pretty amazing, eh?
"Why can't we blend science with religion?"
They are blended. All human beings practice some form of faith/religion. Christians have faith in the bible. Muslims the Quran. Atheists have faith there is no god/creator. Scientists have faith in what they've been told by other scientists, which scientists they choose to believe is a choice.
Perfect science in a vacuum does not contain preconceptions, bias, or unproven conclusions. Scientists are not perfect, they are humans, and like all humans, they have preconceptions, bias, and agendas. Cosmos ASTO is a perfect example of this.
Many theories put forth by Cosmos ASTO are backed by evidence. But they're still theories. Unfortunately the producers of the show put their political agendas ahead of perfect science, and tried to portray certain theories as being proven. Theories that back their human agendas.
You're right gd5150, I totally agree with your post. And that's what I was trying to say, everyone has their own faith, and as long as your happy then all is good. Having faith in the Bible can be argued that it is not valid because it is an ancient text, and that's fine I understand . Personally I would rather believe in that ancient text and what it says then what some modern scientists say, but that's just me and my belief. Like gd5150 said humans are not perfect and we make mistakes, and evolutions theory and the big bang theory is.not perfect, but very flawed.
Vernuf I have actually studied evolution, I also have a degree in Science. The big bang theory is not by chance. It had to have been created by something...a reaction of two things. Maybe a positive and negative "things" colliding and thus creating what we are today. Call it chance, or destiny, whatever you want but I'm crazy because it's not science I'm using to prove this theory right? Well let me tell you science has just scratched the surface, it has just knocked on the door that is the universe. We humans can't even get things right on this earth and we think we have answers to this universe....hahaha
The big bang theory is not by chance. It had to have been created by something...a reaction of two things.
"Like gd5150 said humans are not perfect and we make mistakes, and evolutions theory and the big bang theory is.not perfect, but very flawed."
But they're still much better explanations than the alternatives. Why would you rather believe what an ancient text says than what a modern scientist says?
Would you prefer to believe God causes earthquakes rather than plate tectonics? Or that God causes plagues rather than micro-organisms?
Our existence IS down to chance. If the comet that wiped out the dinosaurs had missed the Earth instead, we wouldn't be here now.
Yes I would rather believe in an ancient text that shows you how to live a wonderful peaceful life to the best of your ability,rather the.listening to a modern scientist.
Of course I believe in tectonic plates, and microorganisms, and the smallest of atoms. And I do believe us humans can manipulate these things. I just don't believe we should though,as we are playing with God and His creation. The Bible even talks about humans not trying to act like God.
Look,science is great, and thus is my opinion and I don't know why you guys can't just respect my ooinion. I'm not trying to change your guys mind. I believe science is humans attempt to understand God's creation which is the universe, Earth, humans, animals, plants, and everything that surrounds us. We got a lot of things right but were missing a lot of answers to many many questions. If you think we have all the answers than you're way too closed-minded. Time is a subject us humans have a lot of difficulty with. Hence why I believe we don't have our origins right or our future right, why we won't be able to discover this universe as we dream of.
I am not religious myself. I have read the Bible once (not even studied it) and I have delved into other religions, and have studied science, I have opened cadavers, I have messed around with molecules in labs. I have just asked myself many questions lately regarding life, and death. I have looked quite deeply into history and why certain things occurred. I have only scratched the surface as life is full of questions. Where I am at right now is FEELING a lot of truth to the Bible, seeing it as a guide to live a good life as a good person. I find a purpose for that old ancient text. Whether you believe it is a fairytale book or not,in the end it's to each their own.
Science is great. And we are fortunate enough to live in a time when we can explore any area of any science we choose. And from the comfort of our home homes if we like. We have access to so much knowledge that's been collected and built on over 1000s of years. How lucky we are to live now when there are answers to so many questions that most never had the fortune to ever know the answers to.
The space program has made some amazing discoveries since the original Cosmos was on tv in 1980. What better way to inspire today's generation that to show them what's being studied now, and what plans are on the drawing board for the future. There was a time when everyone in the country huddled around their TVs to see the shuttle launch. Or the moon landing. Or the Mars rover. The world needs this kind of interest and excitement in science again.
Let's hope the next Cosmos takes advantatage of its legacy and focuses on the great exploration science is currently undertaking. Leave the politics and religion to the politicians and theologians.
Yes I would rather believe in an ancient text that shows you how to live a wonderful peaceful life to the best of your ability,rather the.listening to a modern scientist.
You think I follow the Bible literally? No. There is a lot of historical context in the Bible, humanity has already been corrupted, God was just trying to teach us to do right, just like a father disciplining his children.
By following the Bible I mean the areas where it talks of how one should live (New Testament/Jesus) and His teachings. The historical context just like any other historical context we should learn from these mistakes.
I understand why you guys may be anti religion as it has caused many problems throughout history. And many Christian denominations are just a person's ideologies and translation of the Bible...many are wrong, many are being used for personal gain...and don't get me started with the Catholic Church...or Islam....the two worst examples of religion. Like I mentioned I believe there is a lot of truth to this ancient sacred text, we just have to look at it differently than most people have.
Science is amazing don't get me wrong but you cannot deny that our study of the past (millions and.billions of years) and the study of space which consists of possible millions and billions of years because everything being light years away is all very blurry and not clear. There are no definite answers to where we come from and where we're going. Even quantum physics has been studying the possibility of there being an all seeing God. You guys have your faith I have mine.
Let's live in peace and fill our hearts with love. As that is the most important thing in life. Don't hate me for my beliefs as I will not. We have conversed about our beliefs on a civil manner, and none of us should look down on anyone no matter what their belief is, as long as they're not hurting anyone or anything. We are all equal and should love one another,regardless of belief.
There is a lot of historical context in the Bible, humanity has already been corrupted, God was just trying to teach us to do right, just like a father disciplining his children.
Even quantum physics has been studying the possibility of there being an all seeing God.
You should do a little more research. He had good reason for it, as the Canaanites were committing all kinds of evil sins/acts. He even waited 400 years before ordering it.
And yes quantum physicists have studied a possible God indirectly. Through their findings they have come across the question, could there possibly be an infinite being?
This could get into a lengthy debate. What science and physics does is look at the world in a materialistic way, a closed off world where there are no possible influences from non-physical realities. QM throws a curve ball at physics and it's "materialism" way. What about the spiritual side of things?
Read a little more before you go and say absolutely false, because it's not.
He had good reason for it, as the Canaanites were committing all kinds of evil sins/acts. He even waited 400 years before ordering it.
And yes quantum physicists have studied a possible God indirectly.
QM throws a curve ball at physics and it's "materialism" way.
Read a little more before you go and say absolutely false, because it's not.
"Yes I would rather believe in an ancient text that shows you how to live a wonderful peaceful life to the best of your ability,rather the.listening to a modern scientist."
There are plenty of things in the modern world that show you how to live a wonderful peaceful life to the best of your ability. The TV series Doctor Who has promoted ethics, tolerance and compassion for generations of children and adults.
Because the show has had many different writers over the years, the continuity is uneven and it contradicts itself in places (like the Bible does), but its overall sense of morality comes through clearly enough. The main character is a scientist too.
One of the Doctor's many companions was a primitive savage called Leela, who said: "I too used to believe in magic, but the Doctor has taught me about science. It is better to believe in science."
In classical physics only by knowing the initial state of the system(position and linear momentum) we can determine its state at any time later by Newtons mechanics. While in quantum mechanics systems are described by wave functions and we can say in which state the system is at any time later only with a certain probability. So quantum mechanics is non deterministic.
Also any measurement in a quantum system perturbs the system significantly in contrast to classical physics.
You can't take away the fact that you use your mind to measure these probabilities and you can't measure the mind. Ultimately this is the difference between classical physics and quantum physics. Hence why it is argued that quantum physics is not materialistic as classic physics.
And of course one can learn good from other people, as there are many great minds out there,scientists, philosophers etc. My opinion is that Jesus teachings, principles or philosophies are the most perfect EVER...in my opinion. Tell me what could possibly be wrong with me wanting to try and live His way?
To your argument about God ordering genocide. As I mentioned God gave them 400 years, that is a good warning, and I am sure that there were many innocent lives destroyed. Now we are reading a text that has been translated many times over the past thousand years so you have to take the words with a grain of salt. Anyways even if God had destroyed several cities Himself, ultimately it was for the greater good, a simple utilitarianistic approach. Sometimes innocent lives have to be sacrificed for the greater good. It comes down to the ultimate battle between good vs evil. And if you read the Bible that in these cities there was sodomy, incest, rape, adultery, murder, corruption and many other evil acts. If you're ok with these then I can see why this world is as messed up as it is today. I don't ever want to encounter someone who is okay with these evildoings.
It was God's judgement, and we can't judge anyone nevermind judge God.
I don't even know why you're arguing about what God did if you don't even believe in him?
God is angry at unbelievers for their wickedness. And an all-powerful, all-knowing God who is angry at you is a terrifying prospect. So even though you might claim that you are neutral, an objective observer, and that your disbelief in God is purely rational, in reality, you are strongly motivated to reject the biblical God who is rightly angry with you. So you suppress that truth in unrighteousness. You convince yourself that you do not believe in God. The atheist is intellectually schizophrenic?believing in God, but believing that he does not believe in God.
As I mentioned science is great, it's wonderful, full of life's mysteries and God's miracle of creation. I've studied DNA, and DNA has information in it, the instructions to form a living being. And information never comes about by chance; it always comes from a mind. So DNA proves that God created the first creatures. But of course even I can come up with your argument, "but maybe science will discover the mechanism which generates information in the DNA." Sorry guys but this argument here is non conclusive, whether God exists or not, I believe your denial of God is an emotional one not a logical one.
May God bless you guys, and have a great day.
You can't take away the fact that you use your mind to measure these probabilities and you can't measure the mind.
Ultimately this is the difference between classical physics and quantum physics.
Hence why it is argued that quantum physics is not materialistic as classic physics.
As I mentioned God gave them 400 years, that is a good warning, and I am sure that there were many innocent lives destroyed.
Now we are reading a text that has been translated many times over the past thousand years so you have to take the words with a grain of salt.
Anyways even if God had destroyed several cities Himself, ultimately it was for the greater good, a simple utilitarianistic approach.
It comes down to the ultimate battle between good vs evil.
And if you read the Bible that in these cities there was sodomy, incest, rape, adultery, murder, corruption and many other evil acts.
It was God's judgement, and we can't judge anyone nevermind judge God.
I am not going to argue about the difference between quantum physics and classical physics and how it can be argued that quantum physics is not like classic physics and the materialistic theory of atheists.
My argument was not elaborate enough, I'm sorry but I could write an essay on that, and I'm not the only one to argue that. Do some research, as I don't feel like arguing about that.
You have just twisted my words as I have never said I am okay with genocide, I believe no human has the right to take away another humans life. Notice I said human, God is our creator, he gives you and I life and he can take it away.
Who knows what the terrible things that were going on but I'm pretty sure I would not have wanted to live there...But you know what I guess we all live there NOW. Society has implemented stricter laws, but of course there has always been these wrongdoings ever since. Remember I mentioned that God was trying to teach his children early on, on how to live a good life. Humans are now much older and God doesn't discipline us as much anymore, but don't think he isnt sad when he sees his children denying him, straight out, although believing in him. He still loves you regardless and will always be there for you.
I don't know who you think you are, judging me, and comparing me to sickos like Hitler, Stalin, The Taliban etc. Those are examples of religion gone wrong, extremists, and I am totally against their beliefs. I never mentioned homosexuality, sodomy can be the rape of little innocent children,and I really hope you're not okay with that. I also hope you're not okay with murder,and non consentual rape, and stealing, lying, adultery. Regardless of the sin, God loves everyone and is there to give His forgiveness, but we must ask Him for it.
I believe God spoke to people directly a long time ago, people were closer to Him, as we were a young race just learning. We were more One with God, with a lot more faith. I do not believe one can do anything just because God asked them to, and if so it won't be any evil acts, but good ones.
I am against religion, as it has caused death and destruction, it has brought evil into the world. But even evil will pretend to be good. The best trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing people he did not exist. In a perfect world there would only be one religion.
My God is an almighty, loving and forgiving God, a just God, but a fair God. An infinite God, the beginning and the end, the creator of all things, who knows all things. My God is love in its perfect form, and I'm sorry but you can't argue against that.
My argument was not elaborate enough, I'm sorry but I could write an essay on that, and I'm not the only one to argue that. Do some research, as I don't feel like arguing about that.
You have just twisted my words as I have never said I am okay with genocide, I believe no human has the right to take away another humans life.
I don't know who you think you are, judging me, and comparing me to sickos like Hitler, Stalin, The Taliban etc. Those are examples of religion gone wrong, extremists, and I am totally against their beliefs.
Regardless of the sin, God loves everyone and is there to give His forgiveness, but we must ask Him for it.
I believe God spoke to people directly a long time ago, people were closer to Him, as we were a young race just learning.
I do not believe one can do anything just because God asked them to, and if so it won't be any evil acts, but good ones.
In a perfect world there would only be one religion.
My God is love in its perfect form, and I'm sorry but you can't argue against that.
You must have been taught of an angry God growing up. Which is wrong, but it's something the Catholic Church has been doing for centuries.
Why do you hate God?
You must have been taught of an angry God growing up.
Why do you hate God?
It's just a circular argument :)
shareYou apparently never learned what the meaning of the term "circular argument" is.
I guess we can just add this to the growing list of things about which you are completely ignorant.
I don't think you know what it means. You're the ignorant one. Have you never heard of Rene Descartes and His Cartesian circle.
The existence of God is absolutely a circular argument.
The problem with atheists and scientists who believe it has all a answers only believe in science as the only knowledge. But science can't measure everything. You simply ignore all other knowledge, history, literature, politics, philosophy, morality, reasoning. Things that science cannot measure and we shouldn't ignore. So get out of your little science bubble and learn. That is all I have to say. Go on believing what you want, but do not strict yourself to one branch of Knowledge as there is so much more out there, but you seem like you know everything and I know nothing. I have my faith and you have your faith. Good day, and God bless you.
I don't think you know what it means. You're the ignorant one.
The problem with atheists and scientists who believe it has all a answers only believe in science as the only knowledge.
You're arguing against the existence of God. Its always a circular argument. If you like it or not.
shareAt no point was I arguing against the existence of god, idiot, and no, it is not the case that all such arguments are circular. You are really making a complete fool of yourself in a public space.
shareThey are blended. All human beings practice some form of faith/religion. Christians have faith in the bible. Muslims the Quran. Atheists have faith there is no god/creator.
Scientists have faith in what they've been told by other scientists, which scientists they choose to believe is a choice
To all of which I would add that, IMHO, the fact that there are so many variations of what god is and wants and thinks and is all about -christians, jews and muslims with all their sub-sects and denominations-, so many interpretations of what and/or who is god (Buddha? Yawvhe? Allah? Krishna? Etc.) and what one should do to attain godliness, is irrefutable evidence that faith is purely subjective. It is an opinion. Not a fact.
Science, on the other hand, can be objective once biases are factored in (or out) : Pythagora's theorem and the mathematical proof has been the same for everyone everywhere for all times, so have been the laws of motion, geological periods, the light spectrum, gravity, etc.
I know i'm throwing science and mathematics in the same boat, but I'm arguing that there are definitive answers (sometimes still to be discovered or refined to be sure) to natural phenomena and the general workings of the universe, while there isn't any when discussing gods and religion. None. *beep* we can't even agree on its name!
A proof is a proof is a proof, not a belief, and that's the end of it.
That in itself is sufficient evidence for me to be convinced are argue about of the inherent validity of science and reason over faith, especially religious faith.
Sure, religious codes have brought about some social cohesion and moral guidelines in the past, but the enlightenment and the advancement of reason, religions -and the supernatural- have taken a back seat and, incidentally, general human condition is much better across the board ever since.
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How did this anti-Christian nonsense get approved? We know that science that conflicts with the Bible is not science, it is LIES. Go to the Creation Museum for some real verifiable science.
"What is anti-Christian about this TV show?"
There's nothing anti-Christian about the show, the OP was being sarcastic.
But like the original Cosmos, this version of the show does bring home the message that rationalism will lead to a better quality of life than superstition. Everyone who posts on this board probably owes their health and well-being to science in some way.
Of that there can be no doubt.
I think the fear factor that religion brings puts a lot of would-be miscreants in check, but it's not a bonafide solution. And as those people have kids who lean more towards science, or they themselves lean more towards science, I can't help but think that society as a whole will benefit much more without their superstition.
Actually the most successful in society are open to both science and spirituality. Any true scientist must be open to all possibilities. Once they've closed their minds to differing views, like those who produced Cosmos ASTO, they're no longer practicing science. Atheism is fine to discuss in the fantasy land classroom but in the real world few truly believe in it. The cosmos provides mysteries that science will never fully solve, and for that there will always be spirituality.
“Cosmology brings us face-to-face with the deepest mysteries, with questions that were once only treated with religion or myth.” - Carl Sagan
"Atheism is fine to discuss in the fantasy land classroom but in the real world few truly believe in it."
But you have to admit if more people were taught to embrace the idea that there is no afterlife, fewer people would be willing to become suicide bombers. If there's no belief in an afterlife and all the rewards that supposedly come with it, there would be less incentive to be a martyr.
If anything, a belief in the afterlife could actually be a disincentive to improve the world. Why try to make the quality of life better for anyone if you can just tell them they'll be compensated in some realm beyond the grave?
"The cosmos provides mysteries that science will never fully solve, and for that there will always be spirituality."
Never say never. There are mysteries about the cosmos that probably won't be solved in our lifetimes, but that doesn't mean they'll remain unsolved forever.
Yeah, it's like if you have the kind of belief, then all you're doing is "doing time" until you pass on to an alleged afterlife.
I think that's totally correct. The whole 70+ virgins thing, the promise of paradise, and everything else, is all an incentive to destroy one's own life and the lives of others.
The universe and whatever is beyond it is incredible. There's no need to invent or rely on someone else's invention of an imaginary overlord.
Actually the most successful in society are open to both science and spirituality.
Spirituality requires faith. Apparently you don't understand the defiiition of faith.
Science doesn't explain everything. It doesn't even come close. Perhaps you should educate yourself on this as well. Pure science is a great tool but modern science has been corrupted by agenda driven humans who care more about politics and religion. Just look at this board.
And yes most people are spiritual and believe in science. The fantasyland world of modern academia only exists in the close minded classroom, fortunately.
"When he found that his long cherished beliefs did not agree with the most precise observations, he accepted the uncomfortable facts. He preferred the hard truth to his dearest illusions. That is the heart of science."
- Carl Sagan on Johannes Kepler
Pure science is a great tool but modern science has been corrupted by agenda driven humans who care more about politics and religion.
by noplay » Sat Dec 6 2014 21:53:17 Flag ▼ | Reply |
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How did this anti-Christian nonsense get approved? We know that science that conflicts with the Bible is not science, it is LIES. Go to the Creation Museum for some real verifiable science.