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saw it today.... this isn't going to be a happy read guys.


It hurts me to say this, but I think Terry Gilliam has finally gone and lost me.
I'm not as happy with his latest as most critics are. Actually, that's an understatement. I'm not happy with the film. Period.
Maybe the film needs several viewings to latch on, maybe it isn't as clever as it thinks it is, or maybe I'm just not smart enough for it. But this does not feel like the same man who made Brazil, 12 monkeys or Fear and Loathing. Brazil and 12 monkeys had future visions that were genuinely frightening, because they were feasible, they were cautionary tales.
Zero Theorem's future isn't. It's hokey, its absurd and mostly its just impotent, because its now.
I bet if Gilliam had watched the Lego Movie a couple of weeks ago he might have been a little embarrassed, their universes share more than the odd idea (not a slight at the lego movie, it was very good).

Gilliam's eye is still everywhere though, he can still make a beautiful low budget "idea movie", but this film is basically Brazils little brother. Smaller, less inventive, and thinks it can get by by using the family name. Relying on obtuse storytelling to masquerade his tired ideas.
Gilliam, I think, is finally showing his age. he looks like a man who isn't really bothered about what the future may be, but instead is bitter about what the present has become. Which is fine, in theory, as that has fueled so many great stories... but his jibes are a little too on-the-nose to ignore.
A little originality could have gone a long way.

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You're 100% correct, it's time for Gilliam to be put out to pasture. This drivel made little sense to me and not only did I try to sit through it, I found that as the film progressed, it got increasingly painful to watch. It's basically and insane asylum for film makers. And Gilliam has proven that his creations are lost on many of us, yet Brazil and a few others had something there, with this, there is nothing but embarrassment.

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Just because you didn't understand it does not mean that it is drivel.

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bummer. I was really, really looking forward to this. Now I have to wait to see it, so I have time to prepare myself for disappointment. Would it have been better if he had done it as a stop-motion with Lego people?

I'm not sure what half the debate is here, though. I love Terry Gilliam, but I don't love all his films. We can adore Time Bandits and Brazil and think that his latest stuff is not really our thing. I hated Tideland. I mean, I was angry at Gilliam, fiercely angry for disappointing me. I now see that as irrational, and perhaps will try watching it again. I probably still won't like it, but I respect the man for doing something different.

And, by the by, I think all of his movies are about, or are a reflection of, today. It's not really relevant whether the story is set in the future or not. In each of his movies we have something to learn, and chances are, it's not going to be pleasant.

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On almost every post many users refer to their personal favorites (like Brazil, 12 Monkeys, or perhaps even Time Bandits or Monty Python and The Holy Grail).

Funny that nobody mentions what I personally think is his very best work - The Fisher King!

That said, the preview to this movie does look very "Brazil-Like" in its facial close-up visuals. The black hole / outer space scenes look interesting. Almost like an attempt to recreate Aronovksy's The Fountain.

His movies do have a peculiar taste. Odd & strange is Gilliam's M.O., that's for sure. I haven't been as pleased with his recent efforts as his breakthrough moments when he first started his directing career. I probably won't like this one either, but I do commend him for making stuff that is far from "run of the mill". Hollywood needs more visionaries like Gilliam to keep ideas fresh and alive.

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Sorry, but that's BS. Perhaps in his sheltered creative world, Terry Gilliam thinks he is catering to the audience, but he's so far out of touch that he couldn't cater to them even if he wanted to. Terry Gilliam would have butchered Harry Potter had he gotten the job. 12 Monkeys, The Fisher King and Brazil are great films. Visually, emotionally...they have impact. I have a lot of respect for those films, but whatever has happened since then, Gilliam just doesn't have it anymore. Once you live in your own bubble long enough, that bubble drifts from relevancy and the craft and becomes your own bubble of self-indulgence and sycophants.

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Umm, the first Harry Potter film came out within a couple of years of Twelve Monkeys. Probably would of come out sooner if Gilliam had actually ended up directing. So, if you think Gilliam has lost it (which I don't think he has), he would have still had it when that film came out.

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Right, but that was only the first one.

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Have you ever actually listened to yourself? Berating someone you don't know at all as if you knew exactly what his private world and motivations were. You're the one living in your own bubble, other people are have their own lives and don't think feel and behave exactly as you would in their situation believe it or not. Utter *beep*! I'm not a massive Gilliam fan, haven't even seen this film but I read an interview with him recently and I got the impression it's people like you who make him suicidally depressed. I hate to fall back on a hackney'd cliche but you sound really jealous at the thought of someone else's creative work being praised. Fair enough tell us why you don't like the film but the personal *beep* just makes you out for a *beep*

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I don't know, I personally enjoyed this film. Was is his best? No, not in my opinion. But it was a solid film, with great visuals and interesting themes.

One theme that might be missed if people did not stay for the credits is that people need to be happy with themselves and how they are in order to be happy with someone else. This is done with an audio overlay shortly after the end credits begin. Not overtly stated, but with all that has gone before and especially the last scene, that is what I take from it.

Also there was a nice end clip of the camera as the head of Jesus that we have seen during the movie, you know, just incase we missed the people worshiping corporations theme

Anyway, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I enjoyed it and plan to add it to my collection. Also despite this being a film about people seeking to prove all is for nothing I felt uplifted.

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Anyway, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I enjoyed it and plan to add it to my collection. Also despite this being a film about people seeking to prove all is for nothing I felt uplifted.


Did they find it? Science will never prove or disprove the existence of god.

Science is man's way of jumping to conclusion confidently




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did they find the proof that everything is for nothing? I'd say no. And you are actually hitting on one of the themes: faith vs certainty.

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This is the primary existential paradox... you will never reach 100% through intelligence or faith... these are the tools of management. Giving up all hope is the only way to get to 100%... Knowledge will not get you there, sex will not get you there.... to have the questions of existence burning inside of you and not know the answers is to be truly alive. Everything else is what keeps you from getting to 100%. Gilliam seems to be aware of this, whether you think it has been communicated effectively through his films is a matter of perspective, and might reflect your grip on the tools of management.

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embrace the dualities in life. these themes are not mutually exclusive. when people understand that, they are closer to 100%... and sex helps js.

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Thank god. I thought it was just me.

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I don't necessarily think the OP is wrong about too much there, even though I wouldn't be quite as harsh on the film - after all, Gilliam's visual imagination is still running wild and his off-kilter world is still a joy to visit. But, indeed, there really isn't much that's new about The Zero Theorem, with his usual themes and preoccupations very much front and center (a man desperately fighting his demons & the cold, oppressive system; imagination and dreams as an escape route; redemption in 'true love' which, however, usually gets shattered etc), the presentation of which is disappointingly straight-forward and free of any particular surprises. And while Gilliam has always been a sort of a romantic at heart, Theorem does indeed tend towards hokey sentimentalism. And even though many of the abundant quirks work, the production design typically awash with detail, gets kinda tiresome at times. So not a bad film by any means, but nevertheless I'd have expected a bit more from Gilliam than just repeating himself to a tee.

However, of course it's absurd as its about the ultimate absurdity of the existence.



"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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I thought the film was okay. Not nearly as good as some of his other stuff, but a passable watch, in my opinion. 06/10.

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Just got back from it and you are way too nice. Gilliam is a pretentious wind bag in my book now. Like someone reading half of Nietzsche getting stoned and turning on a camera. horribly over produced and convoluted.

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I couldn't disagree more.

I don't love her.. She kicked me in the face!!

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barrettbedlam --

no offense but i never read or consider anyone else's opinion on any Terry Gilliam film ... he is one film maker who simply must be considered solely on one's own world and how his films tell them something about that world and since everyone's world is different from anyone else's, there is no way anyone else's view or critique of Gilliam's work can matter to anyone but that one person ...

you could have saved yourself a lot of typing ;)


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