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A very over rated film definitely NOT for dog lovers


The movie had potential with the weird book idea, then went downhill steadily. Also, the scene with the cute dog being cruelly killed was unnecessary. Why is it whenever you see a dog in one of these films they end up dead? No people killed just the family dog. I wasted time on this over-rated piece of junk. Just goes to show you can't trust the IMBD ratings. The ending was totally ridiculous. Yes, I'm sure many of you will disagree...still that's the way I feel and I'm hoping to warn others who might feel the same.

Update: If you're not a dog lover simply move on to another topic. This is meant as a warning to those who are dog and animal lovers.

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"Also, the scene with the cute dog being cruelly killed was unnecessary."

Well, it's their movie, so by default I kinda choose to believe that it's their choice as to what was necessary to tell their story, or not.

But even past that, we can still certainly explore whether the dog murder (canicide?) served the story or not. In this case, it went to show that the mom's dementia/craze had indeed turned violent. She was no longer simply imagining things, but also putting them into horrible, deadly action. It was not all in her mind--some of it was in fact in her very hands.

And that's a kind of horror. What evil regular people do can be very horrible.



"Why is it whenever you see a dog in one of these films they end up dead?"

First off, I would point out that a quick google search shows that your contention is untrue. Dogs don't always die in horror movies, family-oriented or otherwise.

<http://horrorfreaknews.com/best-horror-movies-animal-lovers>;

That being said, I would guess that pooches do bite the dust so often in horror flicks precisely because the moviemakers know that a great deal of us moviegoers love our furry friends very much, so placing animals in peril really stands to affect us emotionally. Make the dog particularly cute (like this Westie), funny, or clever, and you further intensify the dread that accompanies the appearance of danger. The dog scene in the book, as well as the protracted dog scene late in the film, both had me cringing personally.

I volunteer in canine search and rescue, so I'm most certainly a dog-lover. I was particularly on edge once I saw the dog scene in the book, and every time I saw the dog on film afterward. He was being presented as the first victim in this ordeal, and I was fearfully anticipating his demise.

And that's a kind of horror. It's a very effective one.

That you came here protesting it goes to show that you, yourself, were deeply affected by it--even offended by it.

What I don't understand is how you don't see the effectiveness of the horror SPECIFICALLY for a dog-lover in this situation. So IMO, the truth actually leads 180 degrees from your main assertion.

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Texasbeast, first it's refreshing that you didn't simply insult me like so many others have because I DARED warn other dog/cat/pet lovers who might feel like I do about the scene in this film. I now just ignore those posts that are a waste of time to respond to. In the cases of particularly rude and mean-spirited ones I no longer respond and add them to my blocked list so I don't read their nonsense in the future somewhere else on the IMDB. Those people through their insulting words reveal the type that enjoy, or don't mind, seeing pets killed in a movie. You took the time to express your point of view in a reasonable and polite way without resorting to personal insults and cursing. I stand behind the spirit of all I said in the warning of my original post, it was meant as a warning for others who feel like I do about dogs and other innocent pets being killed in movies for shock value. The readers who don't care one way or the other should just ignore my warning and move on. The warning was not meant for them, that's clear in the title of my post. I fully admit that it bothers me more when a beloved family pet gets killed in a film more than when a human does. Make of that what you will. Perhaps I know that it's fiction in the case of a human beings killed in a film and part of me wonders if they may really have actually killed the animal to be more realistic and save money...maybe they don't fake it. No, I don't trust messages at the end that say "no animals were harmed in the making of this motion picture" or that they will follow the humane laws. Animals lives are disposable to many people who would rather save money than animals lives. Or perhaps the animal used was not killed yet traumatized in the scene, since perhaps they don't realize it's all make-believe and they won't be really harmed by the actor pretending to strangle them. Maybe a fake dog was used, maybe not. I'd also like to point out that in this particular story, no human was killed, only the dog. Now someone will write "well how do you know that aren't really killing people in these films too"...which of course would be MUCH harder to get away with.

Besides all this, even if no one dog or human was harmed, I still thought the over all story was a waste of my time with a silly ending.

You quoted me as writing ""Why is it whenever you see a dog in one of these films they end up dead?" Perhaps I should have said "often" not "whenever". I have seen some horror films where the cute family dog or other pet does survive, yet they are rare films IMO.

Thank you for the volunteer work you do in canine search and rescue. Please keep up the good work.

Best wishes,

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perhaps the animal used was not killed yet traumatized in the scene

The killing was off-screen, relying on sound FX and a sustained close-up of Amelia's face.

There are two brief shots of "the dog." One is a tight framing as its hindquarters draw up, in the usual way a small dog does when picked up. Take away the sound FX and it's completely normal. The other shot is when she drops it to the floor, dead, and of course it's a mock-up.

Similarly the Coens use a mock-up when Moss shoots the attack dog on the bank of the river in No Country For Old Men.

Edited to add, Jennifer Kent:

"Look, I'm a vegan; I'm a pacifist -- I won't kill a cockroach. So I was shocked when we put the final cut together and we had everything there in that moment, because it really hit me. But it wasn't gratuitous to me. I wasn't interested in gratuitous violence. What I was trying to say was that she couldn't connect with her child, but she could connect with that dog. And if she can kill that one thing that she connected to? My God, what is she going to do to that child? That was about creating an environment of terror, at that point in the film. She means business, and she's going to do what she says she's going to do. Also, she's going to do what the book says she's going to do. And we know what comes next in those pages of the book."


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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Who cares if innocent people die in a movie? But an animal? OMG THAT'S FCKING AWFUL! HORRIBLE MOVIE!

CG gore is the worst thing that has ever happened to the horror genre.

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A poor film that just isn't scary.

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you watch a horror movie where usually the plot revolves around a monster killing people and are so able to suspend disbelief for the common sense of entertainment yet the moment a dog dies you piss yourself and the movie throwing basic common sense out the window? you animal freaks are really something.

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Well, although I don't think the idea can be supported, the objection that the dog's death was unnecessary isn't such an unreasonable thing to say.

Speaking to that complaint, almost anything in a drama can be considered unnecessary in the sense that it might not be one's preference. Yet there is in fact a solid reason for that death to occur.

I think the truly unreasonable comment is this:

If you're not a dog lover simply move on to another topic. This is meant as a warning to those who are dog and animal lovers.

Except the OP isn't only a warning, it's also a critical statement about the movie's quality, which includes the idea that a dog's death was unnecessary. Since this is a public board dedicated to sharing opinions about movies, it's perfectly justified for anyone to respond to that content.

If the OP had been limited to a warning about a dog's death, that statement wouldn't be unreasonable. But given the critical remarks about the movie's quality, the statement amounts to a gag order on contrary or at least more nuanced opinion.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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I wrote: "If you're not a dog lover simply move on to another topic. This is meant as a warning to those who are dog and animal lovers"

You wrote: "If the OP had been limited to a warning about a dog's death, that statement wouldn't be unreasonable. But given the critical remarks about the movie's quality, the statement amounts to a gag order on contrary or at least more nuanced opinion. "

??? Your point is not valid. The majority of people are not responding that they thought the movie was good and they disagreed with me on that point...they're taking exception to a warning I made about a family's dog being killed in it for cheap shock value, as is often the case in horror films of this lower type. They're throwing personal insults at those who care about family dogs and pets killed in films. No human character was killed in this movie, just the cute dog was. At the end they made it out like all was well now, only the family dog died at the hands of the nutty mom the son was fine. I never took exception to anyone saying they thought it was a well made film, I might just respond disagreeing. I of course do think it was a waste of time and I stand behind that statement. Go ahead and disagree with that, but don't insult me for warning other like minded viewers that a cute family dog was killed in this movie. That's what many cold people have done.

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Except you didn't just write that. You also wrote this:

"The movie had potential with the weird book idea, then went downhill steadily. Also, the scene with the cute dog being cruelly killed was unnecessary...I wasted time on this over-rated piece of junk. Just goes to show you can't trust the IMBD ratings. The ending was totally ridiculous."
There are several criticisms there related to story quality. As such it is legitimately subject to responses in return.

they're taking exception to a warning I made about a family's dog being killed in it for cheap shock value, as is often the case in horror films of this lower type

Yes, they are taking exception, as I do as well. You're mistaken that the dog's death was merely for cheap shock value. Your various "criticisms" are empty and insupportable. Anyone with a keyboard can type "weird book idea," "downhill steadily," "over-rated piece of junk" and "the ending was totally ridiculous." True criticism, the kind that demonstrates thought and insight, isn't merely a stream of epithets registering displeasure. They leave no sense that you've thought about or understood the movie in the slightest.

Go ahead and disagree with that, but don't insult me for warning other like minded viewers

Insulting isn't okay, but neither is trying to stifle dissent. You say "go ahead and disagree" but that contradicts your OP's warning that "If you're not a dog lover simply move on to another topic." As quoted, you introduced several topics related to the story's quality. The topic wasn't limited to your feelings about an animal's death and a warning to those with the same kind and degree of sensitivity. You told people who don't love dogs that they can't express disagreement on this thread with those topics you introduced. It was "taking exception" to their participating in any way.


"You must not judge what I know by what I find words for." - Marilynne Robinson

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..a family's dog being killed in it for cheap shock value...They're throwing personal insults at those who care about family dogs and pets killed in films.


But aren't most horror movies just that? When Jason Vorhees goes around killing random teens isn't it also basically cheap shock value? Do you go to Friday the 13th boards and make warnings that people are going to die in the movie?..you know for those who care about family sons and daughters killed in films?

No human character was killed in this movie, just the cute dog was


And similarly, in Nightmare on Elm Street, no dog character was killed, just the cute teen friend. Do you see how silly your logic is? When you go to watch a horror movie, whether it's a dog, a sister, or an alien, what-have-you, usually deaths are kind of expected (and no innocence does not give you immunity). You can't go into a horror movie expecting no one is going to die. This isn't a Disney movie. And even if someone or someone's dog or alien (ET xD) did hypothetically die in Disney movie, then so what? It's a fake movie! You're not supposed to be offended. It's just how the story unfolds. Suspension of disbelief. Use it.

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While I agree this movie stunk (couldn't stomach that hyper neurotic kid and mother, which was made worse by the editing) I don't understand why people make a big fuzz out of animal being killed. People get killed in movies all the time, but when an animal gets killed it's the end of the world ?








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What does "made worse by the editing" mean?

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I respectfully disagree. It reminds me of a friend who told me when we were kids and walked out of the theater after watching "throw momma from the train", that he didn't like it because there weren't almost any train scenes and so the title was wrong. What I mean is I disagree with rendering a movie bad - or good - because of such a small detail. In this movie, the dog killing is a very important point plot wise and the whole idea - in my opinion - is to show in a very creative and terrible way, how anybody can lose their mind and become dangerous for those around them, given the extremely difficult circumstances such as the ones these characters experience and it's about knowing your own monsters and keeping them calm.
Also, if you sit and watch a horror-suspense-terror movie, you should be prepared for watching some killing of life forms, so if you don't wish to be traumatized by it, don't watch. Otherwise, try to view the whole picture - pun intended.

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It's a horror movie. I expected that going in. I'd suggest learning horror movie tropes before watching a horror movie.

Animals represent guides and innocence in horror movies. They see things that others don't. Once that gets destroyed, it's usually then that the darkest point of the film happens.

In other words, I acknowledge your warning but give some advice back: Learn the tropes and maybe you'll have fun with these movies (I mean, there's a reason why comedy horror exists).

Life is a movie. Write your own ending. Keep believing. Keep pretending.
-Kermit

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