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Looked great, I wish it said more


This film is pretty great. It's got outstanding cinematography. I wish that it had a little bit more to say about Detroit's woes. I get that the filmmakers are trying to let the citizens of Detroit speak for themselves, but it left me as a viewer wanting more than the platitudes that the subjects were saying (blame capitalism, globalism, etc.). Detroit has suffered a lot more than other comparable cities, and I want to know why. Still, this is a movie worth seeing.

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If you'd like to see another doc that gets more into how Detroit got into the messed-up state it's in, check out DEFORCE, which goes into more of the history of the city's downhill slide. Being a Detroiter, I'd love to see this, but it dosen't seem to have gotten picked up for national distribution yet. Where did you see it? DEFORCE just played at the DIA barely a few months ago. I saw a video by the two filmmakers (who are also Detroiters) saying that they still need funds to finish it----maybe that explains the hold-up.

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Deforce is on Itunes now. I loved it. I'm from Detroit also,,,(Southfield).

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The decay of Detroit is well-documented. Born there, I still have a lot of family in the area, and there is a great effort to rebuild the city in hopes of returning it to prominence.

Will that ever come to fruition? I don't know, but it seems like there are enough negative portrayals of Detroit out there, and that it's all that the outside-Detroit media likes to focus on.

Two questions come to mind: do we really need another rendition of this perspective? And, being that one of the filmmakers is apparently from Detroit, why not focus on the positives that the state of Michigan has to offer, as well as parts of Detroit, in a manner to draw people to the city instead of continuing to scare them away?

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A good one to look at from about 20 years ago was Andrei Codrescu's "Road Scholar." Unfortunately, it's a rather hard film to get. I was recently able to get a VHS copy of it. Most of the film (a documentary of his trip across America as a recent immigrant) is humorous, but the part on Detroit (the first city he lived in after immigrating) is real sad. He focuses on the abandonment of Detroit by Berry Gordy and Motown Records. I'm not from Detroit, but I was really moved by that part of the film.

Gordy and a lot of his stars were from Detroit, but as soon as they made enough money, they pulled up stakes to move to the glitz of Hollywood. I guess there are only so many chic places in the world to live. But people should take pride in the places they come from.

"Extremism in the pursuit of moderation is no vice."

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Maybe Detroit should have made Gordy a deal he couldn't turn down then. It's just pitiful that Detroit has managed to blow it with two major industries, the music industry and the auto industry. How many other cities that are struggling ever had anything close to this going for them? People in Michigan obviously took way too many things for granted, as if it was going to be roses in Detroit forever. And they are still doing it. Detroit should be saying at this point, "we will kiss your ass like nobody ever has and give you whatever you want if you would just please bring your business to our city." But they aren't doing that. So the hell with Detroit.

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I can't blame the people of Detroit for any of this. I live in Birmingham, Alabama, and we have the same problems on a smaller scale. The people with money left and moved to the suburbs or other places. What do you mean by saying Detroit "blew it" with two industries? I can't speak confidently about the auto industry, but the music industry only took hold in Detroit because there were some poor black kids who had musical talent. Gordy was a person who recognized that and was able to organize them to create a money-making company. It became a source of great pride to the Detroit community, and then he abandoned it.

It's not like Detroit or any other place has a guarantee of success in some industry. If we can ever make money doing something, that's a blessing to be thankful for. To some extent it's luck. But Gordy had a choice to do what was good for the people of the city and chose not to.

I suppose some could say I'm wrong to criticize Gordy for leaving Detroit. If whites can do that when they make enough money, why shouldn't he? But if you watch Codrescu's film, you can see the sadness that left a lot of Detroiters with. Detroit is one of the really abandoned cities in America, including St. Louis, Birmingham, and other places. The problem comes entirely from "white flight," though the case of Gordy shows you don't have to be white to be guilty of it.




"Extremism in the pursuit of moderation is no vice."

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The problem comes entirely from "white flight," though the case of Gordy shows you don't have to be white to be guilty of it.


that's a really good point. i'm from LA and despite the glitz the urban areas aren't that different from places like flint, Detroit, St Louis, or Birmingham.

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From Birmingham too, but it's currently going through gentrification. Tons of apartments are being thrown up like lego sets. Some are affordable, but most aren't.

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I absolutely loved this film. Is it a perfect film? No. But it pulled me in and held me from the jump, and that in my mind is the primary reason I gave it an 8 out of 10. I LIKED the bar owner, the union president, the 83 year old woman at the meeting, and many of the lesser characters. I therefore was invested in the issue for the first time. I'm no kid, but I am of the generation which laughed at my dad telling me to "buy American" as I happily took ownership of my new BMW. This film made me truly realize that the choices and actions of us since the 60's have truly brought the chickens home to roost.
I imagine, if anyone even reads this at all, there will be a lot of "We'll duh dumb ass" thoughts. And you're right. But if this film can reach greedy ole self concerned me, then it just might have a similar effect on someone else as well.

I have a bit of a "Utopian" idea, which is quite a reach at this time....but so was marriage equality even 6 years ago. Just as gay marriage started with single states accepting same sex unions slowly one at a time, the same thing is occurring with weed right now. Slowly, one state at a time it is being accepted as the old fundies realize that the "War on Drugs" is a most ridiculous waste of money we don't have. Likewise for the expense of imprisoning Americans for using and even selling weed.

So, instead of clearing the 50,000+ abandoned homes in Detroit and replacing the land with "urban farms" growing vegetables and possibly livestock, why not make Detroit the first and foremost urban massive acreage to legally produce cannabis?
I am sure there are some climate issues which may not be as favorable to agricultural issues....but I live in FL where we supply most of the oranges to the country. We have MAJOR climactic issues to deal with, some of which can destroy an entire season's crop and raise the price of OJ on the trade scene for months and months---but we still get it done year after year.(my granddad was an orange grower.)

Tax, manage and control the *beep* like we do alcohol. I'm not saying to create a free for all where only the owners and top investors benefit. It should provide jobs for the unemployed Detroit residents, it should allow massive state tax reduction just as the tourist industry does here in FL where we have no state tax, and generally assure that Detroit will be the greatest recipient of the potential boom.

I can dream, can't I?

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You asked me to comment here, and I like your out of the box idea, but I also don't know about the growing conditions for cannabis. The big question with this however is what will become of the people who are displaced by such massive land reclassification. This is exactly what it would take for any kind of large scale rejuventation of Detroit, another massive growth industry choosing Detroit as its home base. And cannabis is such an industry, like it or not.

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Idealistic zeal in pursuit of a goal is as often an ingredient for chaos as it is for progress. I don't know Detroit. Never even been there. I find the problems there interesting in that the same was said for New York and Pittsburgh in the 1970s and Cleveland in the 1980s, plus a few others that to greater and lesser degrees have found an economic way forward. There seems to be something stubbornly resistant going on in Detroit, though. This doc helped show it, but didn't even try to explain it. It just seemed as though something substantial is missing in this piece of work. My own home in central Appalachia is equally stubborn and no documentarian has ever really captured it's existential nature either. Things are desperately bad and those who remain seem incapable of moving forward because too many people simply cannot be convinced of the need to pull in the same direction. The filmmaker's approach in using vignettes that illustrate traits provides character but no depth, hence motive is missing. It is helpful in showing the huge social pathologies in play. The only thing I did not like was the minimalist but still somewhat jarring hum of a soundtrack. I get that it sort of matches the sound an idled machine might make, and in small sections of the film it would be perfectly appropriate, but every thought or rather comment the film makes seems to be backed by the sound of an electric motor humming somewhere.

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I'd endorse the pot-growing idea. I don't think it would displace a lot of people, because there are few people left in the proposed growing areas anyway.
Huge areas of the city are almost empty, from what I understand.

I suppose you could offer anyone who didn't want to vacate their property a stake in the growing operation.

"Extremism in the pursuit of moderation is no vice."

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