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The money trail...

posted 9 years ago by pats88
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Trying to figure out the money...

He owes Lee $200k
He owes Neville $60k

He gets Frank to give him $260k

He gets Lee to give him $150k which he gives to Lamar.

So now...
He owes Lee $350k (orig 200 + 150)
He owes Neville $60
He owes Frank $260k

He takes Franks $260 and doubles it on the game so he's got $520k

Gives Neville his $60k

So he's got $460k left and doubles it on roulette so he's had $920k and walks away.

Chen takes his $350, Frank his $260....$310k left

So the 'cream' he left with Frank was $310k?? Am I missing something here?

[–] graysonwc 9 years ago

What about all the interest he racked up?

[–] kameljoe21-1 9 years ago

I counted the money on the tabel
and it came to
3 stacks of 100k and one stack 80k and one 40k

in the order on the table
100k 80k 100k 100k 40k

im not sure but im assuming he made a whole lot of money somewhere

[–] Emerald-Blues 9 years ago

Yeah I'd say that's some seriously heavy cream haha Frank made more than double his investment. The real gamblers here were obviously Lee, Neville, and frank but it kind of makes sense since you can't make money off a deadman (unless they're an under appreciated artist. But giving their position Bennett wasn't going to make them any cash in royalties if they killed him.)

[–] eak000-803-592657 9 years ago

i m hoping if he made extra $ he gave it to his mom

[–] bradhoy 9 years ago

I agree with the confusion of money, however i didn't think he doubled all of the money on the game but just the $150,000 form Lee (not that this helps solve the confusion).

My biggest question is;

why, if you owned a casino and someone comes in with all of the money he owes you would you let him gamble it? If he looses, then Lee gets his money anyway (from the money Jim gambled) and frank kills Jim and his family. If Jim wins then Lee essentially has to pay out double and only gets half back (putting him in the same position he was in before Jim walked in)???

would appreciate anyone who could clarify this for me, if not I'm sure i won't lose any sleep over it.

[–] SmokeAndMirrors11 9 years ago

The establishment the final bet was made in wasn't owned by Lee, it was run by the rotund Asian gentleman who agrees to take on a bet of that size. He was the big loser at the end of the day, as he had to pay out both Frank and Lee.

While Wahlberg got to spend his immediate future jobless, broke and sleeping on his unfortunate female student's couch until she realised the bum deal she'd struck and kicked him out. Presumably, in a fit of depression, he went back to gambling and eventually got himself killed.

[–] tsand-2 9 years ago

Now known as the "Gambler II", waiting for a Greenlight

[–] yokeneck 9 years ago

Because his family is the 16th richest in California! He has means to pay!

[–] Studman_Productions 9 years ago

I thought he bet 150k on Lamars bball game?

[–] stefan-79-235442 9 years ago

Hee owed lee 240 but gave 40 back
Owed neville 60
Owed Frank 260
Owed lee 150. Plus 200
Give lamar 150
Give nrville 60
Bett 260 on the game
Won and double it on black
Left everything to lee and Frank

Dont wanted the rest. I believed him he wasnt a gambler, he was selfdestructed, came out clean, dont wanted the gamblingmoney Cream but starting to live his life, write a book

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[–] stefan-79-235442 9 years ago

Yep

He never gambled for the money, he was gambling With is life and he won

[–] deanjcrawford 9 years ago

And his mum's money. And her life, as Frank would have killed his bloodline. Found it really hard to give a sh!t about the ending after his mother was the only one not taken care of.

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[–] keithgordon 9 years ago

deanjcrawford,

Yeah, with all this talk of how much he lost, I'm not hearing any talk of the 260k his mother gave him. He lost that.

[–] dgo123 9 years ago

I think it's implied that his relationship with his mother is especially strained and that all the transactions between them involved some guilt tripping leading to a shift of money from his mother to him. I think that their family doesn't exchange love or appreciation or kindness. You can tell that his mother loves him but the only way she knows how to show it is to bail him out. They both seem resigned to the fact that this is the nature of their relationship. This was just another bailout. I doubt either of them feels that he is indebted to her for the money. She just wants to make his problem go away- she does not want to know what the problem is. She tells him that this is the last time she plans to bail him out and that he's on his own now. He internalizes this is the inevitable end of the relationship and they both go their separate ways. It's a trade off for both of them: he gets the money (even though he pisses it away) and she feels she's done as much mothering as she's capable of.

[–] lawbuntz 9 years ago

we don't know the vegas odds on the 7 pt win margin on that college ball game.

the tennis player dude dropped an unknown amount on lamar's game as instructed by Marky Mark in Vegas and then after declined the $50k payment.

at that point, he had $260k from frank to put on the game assuming he put all of Lee's $150k in the bag to Lamar.

with Lamar's team likely a heavy favourite, the under on an 8pt or less win margin could have been +3.00 or higher meaning, frank's $260k could have become $780k or more.

[–] keithgordon 9 years ago

lawbuntz,

I don't understand what you said. The eight points given from Lamar's team to "Michigan" made the bet EVEN. Except for the rule that you always have to bet 110 to get 100 from the casino. You give them 110 and if you win you collect 210, not 220. The House always has that advantage.
Sometimes, like the NFL, you can bet to win only (no points) and get back like 80% on the favorite or 120% if the underdog wins. There is also always a slice going to the House.

[–] Locutus-8 9 years ago

lawbuntz,

I don't understand what you said. The eight points given from Lamar's team to "Michigan" made the bet EVEN. Except for the rule that you always have to bet 110 to get 100 from the casino. You give them 110 and if you win you collect 210, not 220. The House always has that advantage.
Sometimes, like the NFL, you can bet to win only (no points) and get back like 80% on the favorite or 120% if the underdog wins. There is also always a slice going to the House.

No, Neville said someone bet a bunch on the seven point spread, meaning that exact spread and not just the underdog to cover.

While we don't know what the exact odds were, picking the exact spread would pay substantially more than just picking one side to cover.

[–] tonyismad 9 years ago

Well, he did lose his mom's money. But that wasn't a loan, and she said there was a lot more in the bank. If you can just "give" $260K, there is a whole lot more in the bank.

Anyway, the figures do add up, if you figure whoever took his bet on the game took a 10% cut (assuming he doubled his money on the bet), and so did the casino where he bet on the roulette. After paying Frank and Lee, there would be just over $124K left.

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[–] ctocci 8 years ago

I see your point, but he wouldn't have doubled his vegas money. He would have had to use about 25K of his bet for juice (eg, 220,000 wins you only 200,000)