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This is getting out of hand...


I hate to say it, but i think it's time imdb adds something to their top 250 algorithm that discounts votes from India.

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I agree that most of the Indian movies are overrated. But there very few movies which are really good And Gangs of Wassepur is one of them. I am not saying it deserve to be in top 250.But this is the best Indian movie of the decade.

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And you don't think most American movies now are overrated?

Or are superhero movies REALLY the new Golden Age of Cinema?



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This!

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Say what you want about the legitmacy of superhero's as quality entertainment, but there is no denying that some of the superhero movies that have come out of the last decade have been absolutely stellar films, at least in regards to the kinds of films thier trying to be. You actually have to understand that different genre's of film are very different forms of entertainment even if they are in the same medium. To suggest that superhero films arent the new golden age of cinema is nothing more than a singular subjective opinion in a wolrd that literally has billions of different subjective opinions.

Honestly, all these kinds of comments show is that you think your opinion is superior to all of the people that absolutely love superhero films and trust me on this one, it isn't.

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I don't disagree with you...

But...

Could most of what you said not also apply to the Indian films people are deriding on this thread? Read your post again, replace the word 'superhero' perhaps with the word 'Bollywood', and you pretty much have my argument right there.

Superhero films aim for a demographic, and that demographic also happens to be the same one that most frequently and aggressively vote on IMDB titles - the males aged 18-29. This demographic usually makes up anywhere between 30-50% of the votes on any given title. Superhero movies appeal to these people, so they get voted highly. Fine, no problem.

But people shouldn't cry foul when the same thing happens elsewhere. For what they are, many of these Bollywood films - just like the superhero films - achieve EXACTLY what they set out to do: appeal to Indian people en masse. Indian people see them, like them, vote high for them, the same as any voted would do, regardless of nationality or genre. And then people start campaigns saying votes from India shouldn't count. Why? Because the presense of Indian films in that oh-so-precious top 250 conflicts with their own opinion of that constitutes 'quality'.

You say I think my opinion is superior to everyone else, find the threads where I am calling for an entire country's worth of people to have their votes banned, simply because the movies they make don't fall into what I consider 'quality'.

P.S. I have nothing specific against superhero movies on the whole. It just disappoints me that people put so much stock in the top 250 that for every new one that is released, some tried and true classic has to step aside to make way for it. I think already close to 25% of the films in the entire list are less than 20 years old.

Sorry for the long rant.




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I never made any statements regarding Indian films or the legitimacy of the scores they recieve on sites like IMDB and yes, you could replace superhero films with indian films in my entire post and it would still be equally true depending on who you talk too and thier taste in fims. There is no right or wrong with subjectivity so an opinion that thinks the kind of films that came out of Hollywood during a particular era or come from a particular region of the world are superior to films that came from other era's, regions or genre's is no more right or wrong than someone suggesting the same thing about films from another era or another genre or region.

The inherent flaw with any of these kinds of threads is that they immediately insinuate that the people making them have superior opinions than the hundreds to hundreds of thousands of people that vote on films on this site to give a particular film a particular score. That entire idea is absurd to anyone that has any understanding of opinions and the meaning of the word subjectivity. The same could be said about the general purpose for even having sites like these that score films. Its just a shame that a significant number of people that visit movie sites like this seem utterly incapable of understanding that very basic and simple premise. If they did, you woulldn't have to wade through the sea of these kinds of ridiculous threads to find posts that actually have a quality discussion regarding films.

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Couldn't agree more :-)





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> The inherent flaw with any of these kinds of threads is that they immediately
> insinuate that the people making them have superior opinions

Nope. The problem is not that so many Indians vote for Indian movies and seemingly really love them. All of them.
The problem is that they vote "10" on every Indian movie indiscriminately.

That leaves two possible conclusions:

1. Indians can not differentiate. As long as its colorful and makes sound, they love it.

OR

2. A large group of Indians try to cheat the voting system and upvote every single Indian movie they can find.

From personal experience, I disregard option 1.

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I agree.

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I agree. There are over 1 billion indian people and even if 10% of them votes here they will soon overtake the whole list

Indian people please, stop this!

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Errr .. What bothers you ? That an Indian movie is in the Top 250 list ? And why not ?

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There is no problem with 100 Mio. Indians voting as long as they vote sincerely and not stuff ballots to manipulate results. They won't matter for the top 250 list unless they are regular voters. And if they are with sincere votes and decide some Indian films belong in the top 250 that's perfectly fine. There definitely are dozens of Indian films that have as much business being on that list as all the Hollywood films there.

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Perhaps you can teach some to Oscars too.

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They should do the same with american voters.

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They don't need to, because the moment an Indian film gets onto the list, large numbers of people (who almost certainly haven't seen it) immediately start downvoting it. This has also happened over the years with many older films, particularly older European and Japanese films, so Indians aren't the only people being picked on; there are clearly a large number of voters who want their precious recent superhero and action films to stay up, and want everything "old" or "foreign" or "too weird for me to want to see it" (see David Lynch films) to stay off. And the fact that many users have dozens or hundreds of accounts only facilitates this.

So don't worry buddy, your favorite American blockbusters from the last few decades will continue to dominate the list without IMDb having to lift a finger.


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You right mate. I smell racism here. They keep on bitching about 1.5 Billion People who understands Hindi but they dont realize that probably 5% of them are regular internet users so their is no way they can use the number pwoer to influence IMDB 250...So its pure bitching against South East Asia.

Fault is ours, we dont have Non English IMDB!!

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Although I do agree with you on the original post being racist, I should point out the word "their" does exist in the english language (not at all my first language), however the adverb you intended to use was: "there" (yes, I am known to be a bit of a grammar nazi), also the geographical subregion of our planet we sometimes refer to as Southeast Asia does not include India, it would be part of South Asia or the Indian subcontinent. Anywho, since this is the only movie I have not seen from this dear list, I am going to watch it, espacially based on the positive comments above.

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You can make presumptions all day long regarding wether or not the people voting are voting based on thier legtimate oinion or thier just trying to lower or raise a score. At the end of the day, you wind up right back where you started, with nothing but presumptions with no actual legitimate data to back any of it up. Whats the average rate of increase of the number of votes a particular Indian movie gets once it makes it on to the top 250 list and how does that compare to regular Indian films that don't make it on the top 250 list? How many people that vote on such films have multiple IMDB accounts and just how many accounts do they have? How many people that basically upvote a film are basically cancelled out by people downvoting a film? What is IMDB's exact rating's equation and how does it factor such scoring aberrations into its final score?

Honestly, I could literally go on and on and ask you TONS of other questions concering the scoring of films on IMDB and you honestly wouldn't be able to accurately answer any of them as all your doing is making basic presumtions based on such a tiny amount of data or evidence that anyone who actullly buys into what your selling is just beyond gullible. You could probably convince those same people that the world is still flat if you really wanted too.

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Keep calm and vote 1.

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Buddy, how can u expect people to take Indian Cinema Seriously when we only have Max 5 Decent films a year (DECENT)?
Damn I dot take our Cinema seriously with all the HouseFulls(1,2,3...) and all the Golmaal(s)(1,2,3...) and all the Kya cool hain hum (1,2) is wat I can expect from our cinema. Being reasonable is one thing and being a jingoist is another. Damnit, people have lovd Bajirao Mastaani?? The credibility of an EPIC film looses if the King suddenly stands up makes strange faces and starts dancing out of no where.
So please don't just blindly say our cinema is REAL and should be taken seriously bhai. :) .

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not a single f* was given that day, again..

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Absolutely..i say this even though I'm Indian. Bollywood And Marvel Fanboys destroying Imdb ratings. There are good films from India but rarely from Bollywood

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