The glaring problems with this movie

2) Well when I was in the seventh and eighth grade, years 2004-2006, a good percentage of my grade only liked classic rock for rock music since the 2000's sucked for mainstream rock music. One album we all liked (this is like a dozen kids)was Welcome to my Nightmare, so yeah a bunch of 12-14 year old kids in the mid 2000's liked Alice Cooper... I mean in the mid 2000's Target had AC/DC, Pink Floyd, and Led Zeppelin shirts so kids were wearing them and were into that older rock music.

You're a pitiful pretentious prick for nitpicking this movie, it's a dumb and entertaining black comedy, I like it but people taking it seariously enough to really complain about it dumbfound me, especially your second reason.

"Musically, I'm all about Alice Cooper" is something no teenage girl past the year 2000 has ever said, and that's the problem here."

Really, do you have anything to back that up? There are girls her age into classical music and jazz, is it that surprising that a girl may have been exposed to that music somehow and developed an attachment to it? Seems to me that you are corrupted into thinking no girl her age could dig music of this type because pop culture tells you so. I find that most critics of this movie are the ones Frank would probably shoot.

It's a relatively simple film with a relatively simple but relevant message and on reading the threads on here, it didn't surprise me at all that audiences brought up on a staple Hollywood diet would be craving character arcs and narrative progress and closure. These weren't really present in Stone's NBK or not particularly overplayed even in Penn's Bonnie & Clyde, referenced in this film. The film finds it targets and as a black comedy doesn't have to explain its motivations or to behave in the same way as a Ken Loaqche film. It is not social realism...and of course, Frank does not shoot the neighbour's baby.

On point 2: you are generalizing when you say "no teenage girl" would say this. Why not? Roxy is not a normal teenage girl, she made that clear by how much she detests her normal life with people telling her what to say and do (contrast perhaps with Chloe who told her parents what to do all the time).

3: I think you are missing what I hope was a deliberate point - once you start killing people for being annoying, where do you draw the line? Frank starts out with high ideals, but after a while he's considering killing people for the slightest transgression. I think the writer could and should have done a better job of showing that Frank and Roxy are not just as bad, but worse, than the people they kill. The movie needed to parallel Taxi Driver.

Overall a flawed movie, and way too preachy, but I'm still glad it was made, and I am glad that its critiques of society were said.

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1.It does have Character arc

Frank went from a guy just accepting things and putting up with it..To actually doin something about it..Fantasizing about killing to actually doin it.
Roxy went from just being another normal average teenaged girl to a partner in crime on a killing spree.Frank and roxy were anti-heroes..In the studio..it was tense cause i didnt know what was gonna happen..Didnt know Roxy would end up there..had me in suspense..The ending i was blown away..Didnt expect the characters fate at the end..

2.sloppy writing???

Bobcat wrote a teenaged girl character that likes classic rock..Whats wrong with that?? Thats the way he wanted the character to be..I loved old school music when i was even younger than her..still do..

3.Incoherence-They were just ranting about what annoys them in that convo..Not that they planned on killing them based on that.

Bobcat made a highly entertaining film..a violent dark drama comedy or dramedy.Sounds like your complaints wit the film was that it wasnt realistic enuff and u wanted more from the story. Not everyone likes dark films like these..I loved it..Best film i watched last yr. I thought if someone wasnt goin to like this film it would be for the violence factor in it..or thinking its a full out comedy and were confused that it wasnt..

A few things:

"Character arcs" are not an absolute necessity when it comes to story writing. We should all be shunning this notion that there is only a singular way to tell a "good" story. Regardless the characters DO experience minor archs, mostly in their behavior. Whether you view this as good or bad is up to you, but it is not an objective requirement for a good story that characters undergo massive change.

You second complaint is kind of narrow minded, no? Really? No teenage girl on Earth? Ever? Never say never.

The scene in your third complaint was what I had thought would be obvious venting. Consistently throughout the film Frank is very "thoughtful" about who they should kill. Roxy, not so much, after starting a killing streak and left to her own devices with no guidance, she very well may have descended to murder for the most petty reasons possible. They stick to these traits for the entire film. But as killers out to kill the offensive, they darkly joked about the most extreme types of targets as people tend to do. I don't know what else you thought was inconsistent but your point about this is wrong.

For the most part you seem to be projecting instead of taking what you saw as is. Which I guess is one way to watch movies...

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First, even though I loved this movie and disagree with most of your points, I want to thank you for actually expressing how you felt about this movie with actual well thought out points. You seem pretty smart, unlike most people on here with their "worst movie ever" or "complete waste of time" comments. But, here's what I think, in the most respectful way possible:

1. I can see where you're coming from. Both characters do stay pretty much the same throughout, but I don't see that as a flaw, personally. I think any arc that there is exists at the end. It's where Frank kind of realizes that even this American Idol guy that he has been standing up for this whole time is just as bad as everyone else. I think here, we see him finding peace with the fact that he is ready to die and doesn't fit in on earth anymore. or he just hits an all time high of nihilism. Either way, I get what you mean, but still loved the characters.

2. I think Roxy being into Alice Cooper is kind of evidence as to why she doesn't fit in. She isn't the average entitled teen girl who need the exact car she wants on her 16th birthday and is obsessed with MTV culture. Maybe they could have cast someone who's looks match that personality, but I'm not a casting director. But I agree, she's talented.

3. I guess the only thing I can say here is that Frank never actually kills anyone who likes high fives or uses the word "actually" a lot. I feel like those scenes are just them ranting about people who annoy them. Like you said, kind of like a stand-up act.

Again, I appreciate your use of humility and lack of hyperbole. Also, sorry that I'm responding to a point you made 5 or so years ago.