Beverly's disease


Who thought this made absolutely NO SENSE AT ALL?!

o//// I DID!

reply

Consumption is a real disease, known commonly today as Tuberculosis.

It effects the lungs mostly, but can target other organs. Common symptoms are chronic cough with blood-tinged sputum, fever, night sweats, and weight loss. The weight loss is actually where it gets the name "consumption" from.

Doc Holliday, famously, was a sufferer and was killed by it.

“Sit at my right, and I may smite you; at my left, and you can stay to watch me rule the world.”

reply

In older novels, consumption was often romanticized. Authors and poets would play up the idea that people with consumption were more artistic, more beautiful, more alive, because the disease gave them fevers and could make them look flushed. This movie seemed to go off of that tradition, and completely ignore the reality of the illness.

reply

"Who thought this made absolutely NO SENSE AT ALL?!"

Apparently people who are ignorant of the fact that consumption was a common term for tuberculosis.

How do the angels get to sleep when the Devil leaves his porch light on?

reply

I know what Consumption is.

However Beverly NEVER coughs. She mentions it isn't contagious, whereas consumption, actually yeah, is contagious.

And patients with tuberculosis don't have a problem with dying, because it got too hot outside, just so you know.
They do have breathing disorders, which are not shown in the movie.

"Apparently people who are ignorant of the fact that consumption was a common term for tuberculosis".

Apparently people are ignorant of what consumption and tuberculosis mean.

reply

It's a romance. It's not surprising that they'd leave out the 'bad' symptoms. Coughing and sweat and blood aren't sexy in a sweet, magic fantasy romance.

You want to see a true depiction watch Tombstone.

“Sit at my right, and I may smite you; at my left, and you can stay to watch me rule the world.”

reply

This is supposed to be a happy occasion, why bicker and argue over who coughed on who?

reply

Apparently you are ignorant of what tuberculosis is. From the American Lung Association:

A person with TB infection will have no symptoms. A person with active TB disease may have any, all or none of the following symptoms:

A persistent cough
Constant fatigue
Weight loss
Loss of appetite
Fever
Coughing up blood
Night sweats


deawesk is correct. It's a romance. Just because she wasn't literally coughing up a lung in Colin Farrell's doesn't make it "senseless". Perhaps you would have been more satisfied if she had a bad heart due to rheumatic fever she had as a child?

How do the angels get to sleep when the Devil leaves his porch light on?

reply

I don't know if this comment was directed to me or not, but no one with TB will die because their body is not freezing.

I honestly don't mind that she doesn't cough. There are several stages of the disease and as you mentioned, common symptoms aren't always apparent.

But having TB and having problem with normal temperatures doesn't make sense. Yes, I would have been much happier if she had a bad heart due to rheumatic fever. Or if they had just cut out that part about heat from the movie. I honestly haven't read the book and truly believe it might be good, but the movie is horrible and makes no sense.

reply

The possible reasons I see for the cold is if you get too hot you cough more, less coughing is less chance of coughing up blood, could become more frequently feverish & have more frequent night sweats. I can see how all that could have made things worse especially in those days.
I don't have this disease but getting older have come to realize I've started keeping the room colder especially when I have a cold or flu just for these reasons. Heck, my last flu in late October I turned heat off to the entire house for 3 days.

reply

Your comment is quite informative, thanks

reply

jessfw, i'm with you. i liked the movie but i thought her sickness was used/brought up when it was convenient. oh and MrSiegal, apparently just felt like being a douche instead of simply answering in a respectful manner.

reply

Fancy meeting you here, DJ... /eyebrow waggle

“Sit at my right, and I may smite you; at my left, and you can stay to watch me rule the world.”

reply

hi deawesk!!!!!!!!!

god i miss you guys (from the RE board!). i can't wait for them to start up production so we can get our "R.E. family" back again!

i hope you're doing awesomely!

reply

People were trying out all sorts of strange things to stop people from dying from TB back then. Putting in a cave environment or trying to change the air quality.

reply

People with consumption can run a high spiking fever. In a time when there was nothing but quinine to control temperature, applying ice or staying in the cold would lower temperature. High fever can cause seizures which can result in death, or serious brain damage that results in coma and death.
So the idea that Beverly needed cold is not that far fetched

reply

My aunt died at 15 of TB as well. We have similar names and she and the entire family moved to the north of the country to keep her cool because if her tb. It was and still is a common believe to keep rooms cool where a tb patient stays in. It's clearly exagerrated in this film but that is the basis for it.

reply

TB isn't easily contagious like the common cold. You normally have to be around the person for a prolong amount of time to get it. That's probably what she meant. Also, a person may have some symptoms or none at all. It appears Beverly's main symptoms were night sweats and fever.

reply

I got tuberculosis 2yrs ago from work. I never coughed nor had a fever, my parents were older and both were diabetic and and had colon cancer, my father stage 4, my mother stage 3. Neither of them got tb and I was confined home for 6mths. People however treated me like I had the black plague even after I was cured.

Ps. People commented how great I looked when I had tb, I didn't have night sweats but I did lose weight though I was already slim to begin with.

reply

Tuberculosis was and is, primarily a poor man's disease. People who contract it usually live in very bad conditions, are starved, have bad immunity. It was quite common among artists, because they lived poor lives and that is why it is kind of romanticized. Beverly's need for cold was to lower her fevers, although, yeah, they did go overboard with it, at least from a logical point of view. Looking at it as a fairy tale, it's kind of cute.

Fighting a religious war is like fighting over whose imaginary friend is better.

reply

We weren't poor, we were upper middle class when I got tb but I got it because my immune system was severely compromised. I was infected by a friend who was staying with us with a virus that lasted more than a month and I still had to go to work because my boss was a horrendous and horrible doctor. My friend only had her virus for 3 days but she had infected many people both at work and on her personal life, and with us it was worse. With this virus, my immune system was shot and that's how I contracted tb from someone at work who had it but didn't have any symptoms.

reply

It would have made sense if she seemed at all sick but she looked in normal health.

I particularly thought it was stupid when the optometrist came in and took one look at her and knew she had tuberculosis. Not to mention the fact that she never wears glasses.

I don't require movies to be absolutely factual but they should at least be close enough to the truth that blinding errors don't interfere with the escape from reality that films provide.

reply

I just watched this movie, and will again tomorrow, since I have a two-day rental.

Don't know much about TB, but I did read Betty MacDonald's "The Plague and I" (along with the rest of her books). Her experience was very similar to Beverly's...though Betty had it about 20 years after Beverly, cold conditions were paramount to remedy. For Betty, it was a sanitorium in the Seattle area that threw the windows open to the cold as a cure.

The idea of being in snow with Beverly's toes shouts frost bite to me, but this is after all a fantasy.

I actually live not far from Seattle, but grew up due east about four miles from Lyndhurst, the home on the river. Visited it many times, and enjoyed the 1895, 1916, and 2014 views of NYC....though I am wondering if the upper west side, where the family home was, was a good place for the elite at that time.

But all in all, I think they did a good job...it has me thinking enough to watch it again on my 2-day rental.

reply

[deleted]

Tuberculosis was certainly not curable in the early 20th century and at the time of 1915 along with having to endure WW1 and the Spanish Flu in 1918 TB was raising it's ugly head as well. There was no cure for TB then and was none till about 1945 when antibiotics became freely available.
I have a medical book written in 1931 that prescribed possible cures in resorts high in the mountains with copious amounts of sunshine but the idea of keeping a patient cool is a new one on me. Keeping a patient with a fever cooler by packing him or her in ice I have seen done in the tropics, but weather this would help with TB is debatable.
I liked the movie for it's entertainment value and own it on BLU-RAY, here in Australia outside of capital cities it's necessary to buy movies now as most country lending libraries seem to have closed down. At least this is so in Victoria. There are automatic vending machines with limited titles available only.

reply

Honestly people - in a movie where a horse with wings flies into the sky why are you concerned with technical aspect of bloody sputum? Go with the flow take it for what it is, like it or not but give up trying to justify disease symptoms.... its a FANTASY.

reply

You can't expect viewers to hand-wave away symptoms that don't match a real disease, even in a fantasy. If a writer chooses to insert an element of reality into their fantasy work, they need to make that reality, well, real. Otherwise you make up a fantasy disease and viewers can easily shrug off what we otherwise wouldn't accept because it doesn't have an actual list of symptoms attached to it. Say she had green mountain fever or a vague wasting disease, and viewers would be less concerned about the improbable symptoms.

reply

I am not even sure what Beverly was dying from besides poison.

reply

I agree. Beverly flat out tells the optometrist that her disease is not contagious, which is absolutely ludicrous. Tuberculosis is extremely contagious and it is AIR BORNE! I work in a hospital and when we need to enter the room of a patient who has active TB we need to wear breathing masks/hoods. So the fact that Beverly is moving freely around her house (not quarantined to any one room), snuggling in bed with her little sister, and regularly interacting with people is pretty ridiculous.

reply

It's not extremely contagious, it's very hard to contract tb actually and I had it.

reply