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Just watched it and I was waiting for a great ending. I didn't get it. Can anyone tell me what it's about and what happens to the man at the end.

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Well, as far as I can see I thought it was about a bloke who goes to Italy from the UK to help make an Italian horror movie's sound effects.

But it's actually not about that, I don't think. I've read some theories on here that it's about one man's journey into madness. Everything you see is his imagination, including ALL THE CHARACTERS.

This came to me as a huge disappointment and there are a lot of pretentious people on here claiming the film is so advanced we the humble viewers do not understand the sysmbolism, and the deep meaning of it all.

I think it was a poor attempt to create something very unclear. It was an annoying film to watch and like you say the ending is so unfulfilling.

Truth be known it's a load of rubbish.

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I took the film at face value until Gilderoy started to disintegrate. What I read on here, the suggestion that he was incarcerated in a mental institution in Italy, made some sense of the film for me but I don't know what is reality and what is psychosis on screen.

I don't care much for films that rely on the resolution of 'it's all in the character's mind'. I'm not sure this film is doing that. Say Gilderoy is hallucinating the events we see; this doesn't mean that these events didn't occur at some point in his life, for example. I don't think dismissing it as a load of rubbish is a truth. There is much about the film to recommend it even if there is no clear or satisfying ending for some.

there are a lot of pretentious people on here claiming the film is so advanced we the humble viewers do not understand the sysmbolism, and the deep meaning of it all
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>> a lot of pretentious people on here claiming the film is so advanced we the humble viewers do not understand the sysmbolism, and the deep meaning of it all.

It's so eye rolling when people do this.

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The contrast from his normal life and his usual films to the giallo stuff he is doing in the sound studio causes a problem in his head. He's also frustrated, bullied and homesick. Mentally, he starts putting himself in the film and the letter about the chaffinches being killed, and the bloody description, tips him over the edge. His making of the soundtrack to the film becomes a film to him, with his voice dubbed into Italian and the letter from his mother describing the death of the birds becoming the script. He becomes a torturer himself by torturing the actress with the sound. The film ends with him walking into the screen.

But it's really about the atmospherics and the creepiness rather than the narrative.

I see some people have commented that they think that everything that happens is in his imagination, or that he's writing the letters himself (although it's not actually his handwriting)and that he's killed his mother, but I don't think it's that complicated. However, the ending is meant to be ambiguous so you can take from it what you want.

It's probably not a satisfactory ending for many people, but I think having him actually kill someone would have been out of keeping with the rest of the film. Maybe it's just an arty homage to the giallo genre.


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That feels right to me. Good theory.

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There's no definitive answer as to what happens to Gilderoy throughout the film and at the end. He seems to 'go mad' or have a breakdown at the end but it's not clear if the first two-thirds of the film were a reality or not. Ultimately it's left with the viewer to make of it what s/he will.

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Plenty of questions in this film that I see everyone else has difficulty answering!

One aspect that had me wondering about whether he was in Italy was his bedroom, which seemed very English. It made me wonder whether he had gone to Italy at all or whether there was a narrative thread where he was back in England traumatised by his experiences in Italy and having a breakdown. There were definitely sections where he was hallucinating or dreaming.

One of the puzzzles for me is when the actress asks him if he has questioned why he was picked for this job. How did the Italian film company know about him given his background in nature/tourism film and children's tv?

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Plenty of questions in this film that I see everyone else has difficulty answering!
I don't think there are any definitive answers to be had.
One of the puzzzles for me is when the actress asks him if he has questioned why he was picked for this job. How did the Italian film company know about him given his background in nature/tourism film and children's tv?
According to one take the actress asking this question could be his one of his internal voices, which is giving hints that he's hallucinating the whole thing.

Another answer is that this is part of one of the film's themes: exploitation. The director and producer are presented as ruthless men who are mean with money. They may have discovered Gilderoy in a number of ways and decided his talent could be exploited. Perhaps he had suffered a break down already and was vulnerable and/or in need of money, so easy to dupe.

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I don't have any great answers. Maybe the action didn't even take place in Italy. Many of the characters are able to converse fluently in Italian and English, and sometimes speak English when there is no need.
My number one reason for thinking he is not in Italy is his bedroom, which seems very English to me.

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I don't know what was happening to the character and to be honest, i didn't much care by the end.
After a good opening (loved the Giallo film titles) the film was slow, repetitive and just became annoying.
Horribly overrated.

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First viewing but my impression was that he is actually an Italian sound editor who has been working at the studio for years and who's dedication to his work in that particular genre drove him mad before the film even takes place.

His coworkers tolerate it because he is good at what he does, but even so they can get frustrated having to play along with his delusions, such as having just arrived from England to work on the next film. The secretary in particular has very little patience with him. As if she has to endure his delusions before. The producer (I'm assuming) keeps a very close eye on him too. Unusually so.

I could be wrong but I thought in the scene where he created the UFO sound he was clearly able to understand what the others were saying in Italian.

My other half had a completely different theory so I guess we'll have to watch it again.

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WOW. That's a wild and most intriguing theory, MMCIV.

I just screened the film a few days ago, and this did not occur to me at the time, but it's a real *beep* to just ponder it, which I shall...

One thing that I have not seen mentioned anywhere on these boards, is that early on in the film, when the character of the brash "famous Italian director's son" (whom I believe was named Giovanni) shows up in the studio and is introduced to the "British" sound editor Gilderoy by Francesco, Giovanni and Francesco are conversing amongst themselves in Italian.

It is implied clearly at this point in the film that Gilderoy cannot understand much if any Italian. And yet, Francesco clearly compliments Giovanni on how well the director's son's own ability to speak Italian is improving.

This comes and goes by in the blink of an eye.

How weird is that? Why would two seemingly Italian born-and-bred friends be discussing one's relative fluency with what would appear to be their native tongue?

It was at this point that I immediately doubted the reality of what was taking place onscreen. The implication is that these folks are somehow imposters or duping Gilderoy, and are perhaps not who they say they are, but feel comfortable speaking openly about the deception in his presence, as long as they do it in a language he does not understand.

My initial take was that he had been led there under false pretenses, and that these men were only pretending to be Italian filmmakers, to some nefarious end.

Perhaps this was meant as just another type of "weird foreshadowing," designed to keep alert viewers on their toes, without actually adding up to much?

It certainly plays into the notion that virtually the entire scenario from the moment the film begins with Gilderoy's arrival at the studio is either a fantasy or some sort of mixture of fantasy and reality...

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I just watched this a few minutes ago, and I think the scene you are referring to goes more like: "the famous director's son" gives Gilderoy some chocolate, Gilderoy says grazi, the director's son says prego, and then the producer compliments Gilderoy on having learned more Italian. I thought this was supposed to be funny, because I am an English speaker who knows no Italian and yet I know grazi is thank you, it's just one of those words you pick up from popular culture, so thank you in Italian was no big feat for Gilderoy either. But I agree the scene was foreshadowing to whatever the hell was going on in the last 23 minutes when Gilderoy was suddenly fluent in Italian, and I agree that there was something super shady about the producer and director.

I also thought, as someone else said, that Gilderoy understood what was being said when they asked him to do the UFO noise. And I wish to hell Silvia had elaborated on why they had hired Gilderoy.

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SPOILER ALERT:

My theory on why they hired Gilderoy was because the production was low on money. The director acted as though he had money to burn, but like most directors, they don't care (don't micromanage) about the budget. Unless you're also the director/producer like Michael Mann. The producer is the one sweating over money.

1. They hired Gilderoy because he is good at what he does, but he works on documentaries. Maybe his going rate is far less than a feature sound man.
2. They won't reimburse his receipts. Another sign money is tight.
3. When the tapes are destroyed the director says we'll hire someone else and do it again, to which the producer says, there's no time (i.e. no money).

I'm still wrapping this movie around my head, but one thing I want to point out is the over-bearing mother. At the midpoint of the film, Gilderoy wants to quit. It's partially due to the graphic nature of the film he's working on PLUS the guilt his mother is instilling him in due to the fact that he left her to go to Italy to work on this. I bet that his little shack in the back yard he works in at home is actually at a home he shares with his mother. It could even be her home and Gilderoy still lives with her.

Just some thoughts...

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Definitely agree with your take on this - particularly with the "no record of flight" when he tries to get his money back...

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The ending annoyed me. I thought the identity-fracturing would continue to get more intense and lead somewhere interesting. Instead, it just ends mid-stream without any sort of catharsis, or even a clue as to what it's all supposed to mean. Ambiguous endings do often work, but the way this film leaves absolutely everything open to interpretation seems like a bit of a cop-out to me. Feels a bit lazy. It's as though the director himself didn't really have a clear idea where he was going with this.

Still, a very impressive work. The sound design was utterly amazing, and the film's gloomy, hallucinatory aesthetic built up a sense of dislocation and intangible dread quite beautifully. Some parts actually reminded me of (a less grainy and more accessible) Inland Empire.

I look forward to watching it again.

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I'll give my own interpretation, which may very well be wrong. I believe it to be a movie within a movie within yet another movie in which the unsuspected sound engineer is the star of a psychological cinematic documentary experience without his knowledge or consent. To my mind Gilderoy was an unaware participant in a psychological cinematic documentary experience at which the moviemakers and the crew's objective was to push Gilderoy towards a breaking point and film that gradual loss of control, which was essentially the movie we have watched.
Why have I made that reasoning? First of all because they chose a sound engeneer that sounded children's programs and pastoral documentaries. They believed that by placing him in an element with such a violent subtext as is an italian psycho-sexual and extremly violent supernatural horror movie they hoped that he would come to a breaking point and somewhat lose his mind, thus exploring the fragility of the humam mind and film it too. They added to the tension by hinting that the all production was shady (they made constant excuses not to reenburse his flight)and something dark and seedy was taking place in the studio, whose atmosphere was clasutrophobic and scary in itself. As if that wasn't enough they made one of the actresess pretend that she was abused.
The third thing that made me reason as such is the fact that the last minutes of the movie are completly dubbed in Italian, including Gilderoy's voice and the fact that right at the end he plays the supposed footage of the movie he made the sound for and there is nothing there, just the sound and no image watshoever.
If I am right and that is what the end signifies than you have a triple exercise in metaficiton in which you have a movie within a movie within a movie within a movie; that is, the movie Gilderoy went to make the sound for; the one who is being constructed at Gilderoy's unknowing expense - a kind of reality documentary that films his gradua reach of a braking point and finally the one we have just watched, directed by Peter Strickland.
That's how I view it anyway.

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I believe it to be a movie within a movie within yet another movie in which the unsuspected sound engineer is the star of a psychological cinematic documentary experience without his knowledge or consent.

Of all the explanations I've read on this board, this one is my favorite.

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Not totally sure, but here's one theory that came to mind. Gilderoy is increasingly miserable as the film goes on. The unexpectedly violent and horrific content has a profound effect on him, until he eventually starts to fray and succumb to the tone of the film he's working on, imagining himself dubbed in Italian like the film's characters and becoming more callous and sadistic, as seen when he torments the actress with the sound in her headphones. The final letter from his mother, with its bloody description of the chicks' death, is what pushes him over the edge -- the violence of the giallo film has finally overtaken even the peaceful, pastoral scenes he holds dear, and he has a psychotic break. What happens to him, and to the other people working on the film, is anyone's guess.

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The set-up was great, as was the feel to the film, until the last 20 minutes. From there it just becomes a mish-mash and the film spirals off into nothing. The premise of a quiet man who has little experience in life (he clearly still lives with his mother) being sent over the edge by cinema violence was full of promise, but the film literally loses the plot and ends with nothing, or severe head scratching. Like 'A Field In England', if your script has no ending and so you don't know how to conclude your film, regardless of how interesting its concept is, don't start shooting until you do as you can't repay your audience's time investment. But don't worry about spoilers on this board, as no body can tell you the ending! Possibly not even the director!

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There's no definitive answer to what happens at the end, or even what happens throughout the rest of the film. Everyone has their own interpretations (just look at the responses so far) and yet almost everyone has identified the most common thread (madness).

For me, there are several important "clues" that point the audience in a particular direction.

1) There isn't really a legitimate reason for TJ's character to have been hired to work on the film. He works out of a garden shed and his only credit was mixing the soundtrack for a local educational film. There is nothing to suggest that he'd be up to the task of mixing an entire horror movie, especially one in a foreign language.

This suggests that there is no trip to Italy, no production, etc.

2) He lives in a fully furnished flat. Not a hotel or studio accommodation, which would be expected if someone was working on a studio film at a time when the Italian studio system was flourishing. In his flat he surrounds himself with pictures and recordings from home.

Someone else suggested that the character never leaves this flat and the "production" scenes are all a figment of his imagination, which seems plausible.

3) The letters from home. In each of the letters his mother talks about the impending arrival of some chickens, his work on the educational film and how much she misses him. Throughout the letters she updates him on the arrival of the chicks, but in the last letter she says the chicks were viciously killed, probably by magpies.

Someone suggested that the TJ character is really institutionalized; that he's suffered a breakdown and is rationalizing his ordeal through the "production" as psychodrama. This would explain why his mother misses him. However, if he was in an institution recovering from a breakdown, his mother most likely wouldn't have told him (in such graphic detail) about the chicks being killed.

The death of the chicks is one many representations of death throughout the film, and the end of the film could even be interpreted as the death of the central character (he moves towards the light, which is a common notion of the afterlife in Christian religions).

My theory is that the letters are old, not recent, but the new of the chicks being killed had a profound effect on the central character (the letters even emphasize that the chicks were kept in HIS shed).

4) There was no flight from the UK to Italy. There's no record of it. Again, this suggests that his arrival is a figment of his imagination.

I do like the theory that TJ's character really was an Italian sound recordist who has a breakdown and everyone just humours him and goes along with his delusions, but I also think that pushes implausibility and that ultimately what happens is metaphorical.

5) The subject matter of the film. Religion and death. Torture and insanity. TJ's character is asked by the director if he believes in God. He doesn't give a sufficient answer, but he has a crucifix above his bed. He has an awkward relationship with women. His mother seems the only woman he's close to, but he only hears from her through letters.

The other women in the film are either "whores" or "victims" (consistent with Italian horror movies, but also Christianity) and the film within a film is also about women as whores and victims. From this, the scene where TJ willingly tortures an actress by passing high frequency distortion through her earphones might also be a potential clue to his state of mind.

6) TJ's notes. At one point, prior to the film disintegrating, we see a montage of TJ's notes on the sound mix. It's full of references to things we've already seen, but there are several references to poultry (the chicks again) as well as notes from the educational film that TJ worked on. This suggests that the story being depicted is really being constructed by the central character who identifies particular emotions (or emotional associations) through sound.

These are all just random thoughts based on a single viewing, but I'd say think about the film Santino is making - what it's about and what it represents to the central character - and see how the two strands coalesce.

Maybe the character is insane? Maybe he killed a woman and it drove him mad with guilt? Maybe he's already dead and is trapped in a purgatory type state where he is forced to keep repeating the same job over and over again? No one will ever know for definite, but there are a lot of threads for the audience to draw upon.

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Great post! A couple of things to add:

1) There isn't really a legitimate reason for TJ's character to have been hired to work on the film. He works out of a garden shed and his only credit was mixing the soundtrack for a local educational film.


I believe there are several references to him also working on a children's show. It was brought up during the "UFO" scene.

Of course if it is all in his head, none of this matters. But if the production is real, then they're strapped for cash, super rapey and more than a little reluctant to actually pay employees. I don't know what happened to the last sound guy, but it's probably easier for them to rope in foreign TV workers who might not be aware of their reputation.


6) TJ's notes. At one point, prior to the film disintegrating, we see a montage of TJ's notes on the sound mix. It's full of references to things we've already seen, but there are several references to poultry (the chicks again)


There's also mention of poultry in the The Equestrian Vortex's dialogue. When the two girl characters are investigating (they find old bodies, or something), it's mentioned that the cavern is used to store poultry. Which is... yeah, kind of a weird detail when you think about it.

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Wow 7 years on And this Forum is still bare- i have been reading through a few of these and there are a couple of interesting theories- I can kind of see the 'they are actually making a film about him and deliberately driving him crazy-

But i still feel nobody has hit the nail on the head 100 percent

That line 'Why do you think they hired you' is what is bugging me the most

Just wanted to throw in another observation which may or may not mean anything
The letters have a couple of little parallels i thought regarding the other film he worked on

Once it's mentioned that the maker had called after he left 'something about too many bells after the male gap'

Being pulled up on something very minor reminded of in Italy where the actress say's no matter what you do it is never enough, TJ is 100 percent focused on the Job and goes above and beyond yet still he gets picked on

Later in the second letter the mother mentions a cheque arriving for the for the previous film- This had me thinking about his current situation where he is rightly paranoid that he isn't going to be paid

I agree as well about the random bloke who just stares at him

the only thing with the 'They were setting him up theory' is that i did buy the actress story, and she seems to be trying to warn him- however i suppose she could have just come right out and said it instead of being cryptic

Would done him but more importantly us a hell of a favor

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