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These Women and their Sick Devotion to Their Men


I was struck by the fact that both the lead women (and the daughter) showed throughout the film this magnetic draw towards their men, even while they were emotionally abused by them. Reminded me of the common situation where physically abused women/ battered wives continue to go back to or to stick by their abusing husbands or men.

Thankfully, imo, by the film's end, both mother and daughter had realized the true nature of the husband/father- that he was duplicitous and selfish and cared the most about himself and his pride. He was not able to return their love.




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'Thankfully, imo,' - That right there is your opinion, the film does not say that the daughter chose to be with the mother or the father. The father was actually right all along so we don't know who she will choose. Even if he knew the other woman was pregnant, he had every right to push her out of his home after telling her to leave over 10 times. It is this other woman that is to blame, have you not watched the film? She, in an attempt to be seen as pure, walks back into the man's house, after he told her to get out over 10 times, and tries to change his mind. He had every right to push her out. We actually never know what happened with the money that disappeared, and because she lied about one thing all the way to the end, she could have lied about the money too. That woman, who acts like she is on a holy crusade yet does not do her duty, lies to her husband and blames innocents for murder, is the sole cause of all the problems.

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I can only tell you that what this movie portrayed as Iranian culture didn't do justice to it at all.as you can see the relationship between the father & the daughter is almost the only positive thing that is shown but in reality our culture isn't that different from American's as on would think as a result of the propaganda in the Us.The image that foreigners especially American & Europeans have of Iranians & their culture is pretty much the same as Afghanistan & Iraq & Pakistan But as a matter of fact Iran is only in the same neighborhood as theirs .Another injustice that this movie did to our culture,was the barbaric ,uncivilized & unrealistic portray of the more Religious People Of our Country Who are not pathetic & uneducated & Violent as a majority & their stereotype shown by Asghar Farhadi was really unfair .
Generally We ,iranians are humans like you & we even have much more in common with Americans than Europeans culture-wise. We love our family & Women aren't oppressed & girls & boys can talk to their parents freely ,just like you.We are a fan of family reunions & friendly gathering & going on a trip as a family or friendly group & as I already said since we are humans we also have our faults just like the people of any other Country.We do lie ,cheat & quarrel but not as much as shown in this movie.I as an Iranian & as a human being knowing the truth was greatly offended by what this movie presented about us to the world.We Iranians don't hate other countries & have no problem with anyone if they don't wanna getaway our rights.On the contrary we actually are great fans of the western world especially The people Of the US

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"We do lie, cheat & quarrel but not as much as shown in this movie".

But why would anyone think these two families the film focused on - average, flawed people under emotional stress, in tough circumstances to which there are no easy solutions - are representative of what all families/people in Iran are always like? I mean, most folks don`t go around thinking all Swedes are terminally depressed nervous wrecks given to excessive, wordy introspection just because they tend to be portrayed as such in Ingmar Bergman films. What I, personally, took away from A Separation, is precisely that in basic nature, they`re not at all so different from Europeans or Americans or anyone else - same kinds of problems/dilemmas, by and large, similarly believable reactions to these problems etc. Also, it seems somewhat strange that you picked out this father/daughter relationship as the sole positive one - after all, this Nader guy lied to her, too, and even subtly coaxed her to lie for his benefit, as well.


"The image foreigners have of Iranians & their culture is pretty much the same as Afghanistan & Iraq & Pakistan".

So, in what ways should our perspective of Iran be markedly different from that of these other countries you mention? Culturally speaking.


"The barbaric, uncivilized & unrealistic portrayal of the more religious people".

The husband in the other family was a hothead prone to aggressive behaviour, but his views on stuff appeared to be very much consistent with the more fundamentalist element in general.


"We love our family & women aren`t oppressed/-/".

While the picture usually painted of your country in the Western world indeed tends to be somewhat distorted and in certain aspects exaggerated for negative effect, a quick glance at the Human Rights Watch raport reveals a rather unflattering view of the state of civil rights and freedoms in Iran.




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What a ridiculous claim. First of all, Nader shows absolutely no sign of agressivity towards his wife. And the other man, Hojjat, although it is highly suggested, shows no sign of it either. In the end, when he goes completely mad at hiw wife because she lied to him, he does not hit her but hit himself instead.

'He was not able to return their love.' RUBBISH. The father loves his daughter more than anything. When he feels obligated to lie to her, you can see the consequences of that lie upon him. He is broken inside. He also loves his wife because when he learned through his daughter that she intended to come back, you see the despair in his eyes.




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Xenophobic Radical Feminist Alert! Quickly kill it before it spreads!

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Face palm at This post.
Witness the feminist's spin on things. It is what is truly sick here. A man who is devoted to his family, including his wife if she will have him, is a stubborn child who is emotionally abusing the women in his life. But a woman who is free to criticize a man for stumbling in his status of greater responsibility as well as social and legal pressure is a wonderful creature, but don't forget that she is also oppressed if it turns out that she doesn't completely abandon that same man the first chance she gets. Maybe she should get him arrested by demanding mehrieh that he can't afford while she's at it.

OR...

Maybe all of the people depicted in this film (men and women) were trying to be the best they could be given their situation and had less concern over mindless feminist rhetoric.

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I'm from the west, and I've seen men abuse women who are 100% 'liberated' in your sense emotionally, physically and mentally and women STILL stick to them. I've seen men hit women, cheat on them, abuse them emotionally and these full working independent sexual women minds are still attached to pleasing men. So no, don't start to point fingers at the Muslim world. Not once in the movie men were abusive to their women; it's called everyday life and how people overcome their troubles.

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This is an incredibly weird post. Even for IMDB standards.

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