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Guys, this is getting ridiculous. Liberals claim to be SO tolerant of everybody but the second somebody mentions a Christian opinion, they're tossed out. Doesn't that make you hypocrites?
There are holier-than-thou hypocritically-judging Christians out there. Matter a fact there are many of them. But like I said, they're hypocritical as well. Deep down, they think that they're perfect, and they give Christianity the bad and now stereotypical name they have today. These Christians are actually in the minority.
There are also those who claim to be Christian that make God out to be evil (Westboro) or that kill abortion doctors to stop abortions (Army of God). These people are indeed very lost as well, and they rationalize their twisted so-called logic in their own minds and try to make themselves look perfect to the outside world. These are much more in the minority than the holier-than-thou's.

The majority of Christians know without a doubt that they are broken, that they are imperfect, and that they sin all the time against God. That's why they (and I) needed and will always need a Savior in Jesus Christ. If we were all so self-righteous, why then would we worship a righteous being and not consider ourselves the be-all-end-all of the universe.

I tolerate atheism and agnosticism along with any other religions, just like the majority of Christians do. Do we try to convert people? Name one religion that doesn't. But do true Christians use fear tactics and try to scare people into the faith, and massacre those who don't convert? Of course not. But unfortunately that is what we have been made out to be. Monsters. But in reality, we're a peaceful people of a common faith in God.

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The spaghetti monster says I need to tolerate you too


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"But do true Christians use fear tactics and try to scare people into the faith, and massacre those who don't convert? Of course not. But unfortunately that is what we have been made out to be. Monsters."


"Religion now comes to us in this smiling-face, ingratiating way, because it’s had to give so much ground, and because we know so much more. But you’ve no right to forget the way it behaved when it was strong, and when it really did believe that it had God on its side."-Christopher Hitchens

See, I can quote scripture too(another Hitchens quote).


The fact is that you(not you specifically, but Christianity as a whole) DO try to scare people into the faith, specifically young children by saying that if they DON'T believe, that they'll receive an eternity of hellfire and torture after they die.

Not only that, but there are girls in third world countries(Christian ones) that are getting burned to death for crimes like "witchcraft" specifically because of teachings from the Bible....the same types of teachings that led to the Salem witch trials.

I'm not against "Christians" but I am against their teachings. Same as i'm not against "Muslims" but I am their teachings. Same with every other religious belief. To me, it's the teaching of religion that is a poison as it teaches people to put their faith in magic over their reasoning via scientific method and to focus on the "spiritual" realm vs reality.

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This is a hackjob strawman movie portraying Christians who have to serve ice cream to gays as being "persecuted."

This is a movie by intolerant people portraying themselves as being persecuted by the intolerant.

The only thing people should be intolerent of is intolerance. Since this movie is intolerant, it should not be tolerated.

> If we were all so self-righteous, why then would we worship a righteous being and not consider ourselves the be-all-end-all of the universe.

Since you asked: you are worshiping a super-powerful being as your mascot, using him as a cudgel to beat people over the head with. Christians and Muslims aren't being so humble when they project their deity as the EXCLUSIVE, ALL-POWERFUL CREATOR OF ALL. It's like they stand there in front and their bully God is behind them making a fist. "Look, you can deal with me, or you can deal with Him."

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I'm glad you can explain it so well. Basically you said everything I always wanted to say.

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Jews do not actively try to convert people to their faith. They tolerate it in the case of a Jew marrying a non-Jew (although the stricter ultra Orthodox Jews do not) mainly because Judaism is also a culture passed down through families. Since they consider themselves The Chosen People, they do no believe that other people can truly ever become Jewish. It's why they make the best neighbors, they will never proselytize to you about their faith.

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Very true. You either are Jewish or you aren't, you can't change it either way.

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Liberals are always so angry. It reminds me of the quote from Tombstone. Doc could have been perfectly describing liberals...

"A (liberal) has got a great big hole, right in the middle of him. He can never kill enough, or steal enough, or inflict enough pain to ever fill it."

Liberals want revenge for being born.

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What in the world are you talking about? It was the Christian pilgrims who came over to America...killed the Indians......stole the land.....and inflicted a ton of pain.

This is a prime of example of you projecting your own faults onto other people.

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Liberals are always so angry


Are you serious?! Go to Breitbart or The Drudge Report and read the comments then comeback and say who's angrier.

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Conservatives are always so angry. It reminds me of the quote from Tombstone. Doc could have been perfectly describing liberals...

"A (conservative) has got a great big hole, right in the middle of him. He can never kill enough, or steal enough, or inflict enough pain to ever fill it."

Conservatives want revenge for being born.



Fixed your typo for you

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You gops claim to be SO supportive of Free Speech and how opinions shouldn't be criminalized but the second somebody exercises their First Amendment right to express their rather low opinion of you, you scream how mean and cruel people are.

You only "tolerate" others when it suits your agenda, such as now. The rest of the time it's Your Way Or The Paveway. In reality, you're a spiteful so-called "people" of a common hatred of anybody who doesn't kowtow to that agenda.

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A few things:

1. Skat, you make absolutely no sense when you say that Christians are being arrogant by proclaiming that their God is the one true God. Of course we proclaim God as the one true God, but that doesn't make us arrogant. That's acknowledging that there is a being out there that is infinitely more powerful and infinitely more important than we are. That's humbling yourself, not making yourself look better.

2. Still to Skat: it seems like you've bought into the politically-correct tolerant-but-not-tolerant Progressive agenda, hook, line, and sinker. By your words, you seem to believe that the only way we can reach equality is by people declaring that their Gods are all equal or do not exist at all. That is inherently against a Commandment given by God: "Thou shalt not have any other God before me". Such a move would be in direct violation of the First Amendment, but it's not like Progressives give a crap about the Constitution anyway.

3. BlackJAC, I never said you couldn't express your opinion about people like me. I just don't agree with you, just as you don't agree with me. We are free to debate as much as either of us wants. As I said in the original post, I tolerate atheists and naysayers, but that doesn't mean I can't debate them. You can try to poke holes in my faith all day long, just as I can poke holes in your theory of evolution all day long. "Your Way Or The Paveway"? Last time I checked, the President hasn't cared at all about Congress's opinion or the opinions of the people, who oppose actions such as trucking illegal immigrants across the border. That man is a perfect example of "My way or the highway", thank you.

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"As I said in the original post, I tolerate atheists and naysayers, but that doesn't mean I can't debate them."

I'm so glad you can "tolerate" us. How humble of you to simply "tolerate" us. Give me a break. The only reason you "tolerate" people is because you have no choice. Religion is incapable of actually allowing people to be who they are, without trying to pass laws against things they don't believe in.


"You can try to poke holes in my faith all day long, just as I can poke holes in your theory of evolution all day long."

No, you just think you can poke holes, when in reality you're poking holes in your ignorance of basic scientific principles. The difference between Science, and your faith is.....there is NOTHING that will change your mind about your faith....which makes it faith....which makes it therefore less likely that it's actually true whereas scientific discovery can be proven to not be correct, and can therefore be subjected to rigorous testing, debate and if proven wrong....correction.

In the end, who's likely to get to the right answer....the person...who when proven wrong will admit they are wrong and say the correct answer....or the person who when proven wrong, says that they are right and will always be right no matter what?

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"As I said in the original post, I tolerate atheists and naysayers, but that doesn't mean I can't debate them."

I'm so glad you can "tolerate" us. How humble of you to simply "tolerate" us. Give me a break. The only reason you "tolerate" people is because you have no choice. Religion is incapable of actually allowing people to be who they are, without trying to pass laws against things they don't believe in.


"You can try to poke holes in my faith all day long, just as I can poke holes in your theory of evolution all day long."

No, you just think you can poke holes, when in reality you're poking holes in your ignorance of basic scientific principles. The difference between Science, and your faith is.....there is NOTHING that will change your mind about your faith....which makes it faith....which makes it therefore less likely that it's actually true whereas scientific discovery can be proven to not be correct, and can therefore be subjected to rigorous testing, debate and if proven wrong....correction.

In the end, who's likely to get to the right answer....the person...who when proven wrong will admit they are wrong and say the correct answer....or the person who when proven wrong, says that they are right and will always be right no matter what?

BEST answer.

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Once again we see you gops trying to reclassify your impotent rage over losing all that unquestioned, absolute power you enjoyed between 9/11 and Katrina, when any and all criticism could be easily dismissed with accusations of anti-American/freedom/capitalism/Christianity hatred and Islamofascist terrorism sympathy, as wrongful victimization by the Vast Left-Wing Secular-Progressive Conspiracy™. The aforementioned opinion of Congress and the people are the ones fed to them by Fox Opinion via the Koch Brothers, especially since you're so upset that you lost two straight elections by a country parsec to a black guy and have been holding up the works solely out of spite, because you gops have freely admitted that you can only govern through hostage-taking and have been hellbent on overturning the results of those elections on a technicality. Must've been a real shock to discover that war memorials aren't an essential government function when you linked the repeal of Obamacare to the budget and had your bluff called, huh? And when you stop using the OJ Defense on evolution and start presenting hard independently-verifiable evidence that the planet and everything living on it are the product of terraformation and genetic engineering, call me.

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Ok the poster a few back makes no sense when he/she says "I'm so glad you can 'tolerate' us". Isn't tolerance of all religions, practices, government systems, and nationalities the supposed platform of the left wing? The difference is I actually do tolerate all religions or lack thereof and all nationalities. I can't say I tolerate all practices and government systems because I am fiercely against terrorism, theocracy, communism, and totalitarianism. But the point is, you don't tolerate people of faith because they don't believe in evolution or accidental terraformation.

To BlackJAC, there are quite a few GOP members, myself included, that don't particularly miss President Bush because he did ramp up government spending. But we would certainly take him over Obama in an instant.

And the reason I don't like Obama is because of his politics and overall stupidity and arrogance, not because of his color. I know liberals get all bent out of shape when I dare criticize a black man, but it has nothing to do with that. Matter of fact, the same liberals that get all bent out of shape are the ones that wrongfully refer to black Republicans such as Ben Carson and Hermann Cain as "Uncle Toms" and tote the old Black Power line of "traitors to their own race". Now do you see white Republicans refer to white Democrats as traitors to their own race? I didn't think so. SO watch where you throw the race card, because it is used falsely way too often.

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You say that you "tolerate" us as if you're doing some merciful act.

I actually have Christian friends and I love them dearly, I don't just "tolerate" them. I also care about all people, I just don't tolerate them. I don't try to pass laws that say that Christians don't have the same rights as other people(whereas Christians can't help but try and pass laws based around their view of the Bible).

I also wonder how serious your arguments can be when you can see my name and write "he/she." My name is clear as day....it has the word "man" in it.

When religious people say they "tolerate" someone, it's a sick joke trying to act like they reaching some kind of agreement. The majority of religion still believes that anybody who disagrees with their faith is going to suffer an eternity of torture after their death. Give me a break.

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And overall stupidity and arrogance was the hallmark of the Dark Days of Dubya, where 3000 were killed because "Bin Laden Determined To Attack United States" was somehow "too vague," another 4500 were killed at a monetary price of $2,000,000,000,000 on the grounds that it was to prevent another 3000 from getting killed, and another 3000 were killed in the wake of a hurricane because the guy in charge of the relief effort was a former horse judge who was so frakking incompetent that the only way to get him to do his job properly was to tell him to stop what he was doing and go watch TV.

And you gops sure do love to race-hustle when it suits your agenda of failure, fearmongering, peckerwood, and homosexual rape, such as sniveling about how wrong it is to cuss out Ben Carson and Herman Cain because of their ethnicity.

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And the Democrats call us traitors because we refuse to allow The Great Obama to step on us. It's a never-ending cycle. Also, do you not see the irony in your statement? You say that we whine about people slamming Carson and Cain because of their race, but don't you do the exact same thing anytime somebody dares to insult our President? Political correctness and so-called racism are eating away at our freedom of speech, and its time to stop that.

Also, people constantly refer to the War on Terror as an unnecessary war, but I still have yet to see anyone substantiate that claim and not been proven wrong. Satellite images showed terrorists moving chemical WMDs from Iraq to Syria, so the claim that Bush went to war to find nonexistent weapons is disproved. Also, what do you think the response should be to a group of terrorists hijacking our planes and driving them into our buildings and killing 3000 people should be? Oh wait, I know...diplomacy and talking amongst world leaders. Maybe even letting the money drain that is the United Nations make our decisions for us, or fair trials for non-US citizens that have no legal rights and are also enemy combatants. Hah, that's laughable. But that seems to be the default response to any kind of threat here. Look at the Boston bombing. The first terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11, and what does the DOJ do? Mirandize one of the radicals that blew up the bombs. What do we do to the Benghazi suspect? Bring him back to the states and Mirandize him. What do we do to get a deserter back from the Taliban? Trade them five of their top agents. Yeah, this administration really thinks these things through, don't they?

And you can thank FEMA for the lack of response to Katrina. And by the way, Bush was not at fault for that at all. I know. I was on the Mississippi Coast when the hurricane hit, and everybody down there blasted FEMA, not Bush.

Bush may have spent more than he needed to, but a lot of it was necessary for security. Need I remind you that he not only invested heavily in the military, but also created the Department of Homeland Security? Things like that cost money. Now Obama, on the other hand, wasted over $1 trillion on a program that 55% of America opposed, and greatly increased entitlement programs while he was at it, much more than Bush. Yeah, he's really being a President. You force things down Americans' throats without their say-so, that's called tyranny, not liberty. Sorry but it's the truth.

Bush may not have been the greatest President in history, but he was a whole lot better than this idiot we have now, who can't even set aside his own fundraising initiatives long enough to acknowledge that our closest ally is going to war over Gaza and that Russian separatists shot down a plane with 300 innocent people on board, something that, last I checked, is an act of war. This party we have now is not the JFK Democratic Party we had before, the moderates that we could actually agree with on a lot of things. This party is a party of Progressives that are interested in equalizing every playing field imaginable and de-throning America from the top of the world stage, something Frank Marshall Davis would be proud of, while our Founding Fathers are spinning in their graves.

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Stop venerating the Confederate flag, joining secessionist militias, and singing Putin's praises--you know, the guy who provided the rebels with the SA-11 battery that splashed the airliner? http://youtu.be/Y7G8u5ZOm9Y

Satellite images aren't the same as hard evidence, Blinky, or else you'd be in a black site based on a Google Earth photo of your house as "proof" that you were sitting on a meth lab/child porn factory. You gops wanted that war so your boy could prove to his daddy that he wasn't a total frak-up like Daddy believed and it didn't matter how badly things got frakked up so long as you got what you wanted. Anybody who'd read so much as half a Tom Clancy novel could've run that pet project better--who spends a year warning the target that you're coming and then broadcasts everything related to it, including troop movements, on live television? If your attack's going well, then you're walking into an ambush, von Clausewitz. And it was that single pet project that cost $2,000,000,000,000, no thanks to the cost-plus LOGCAP which made everything way more expensive; my future Congressman would love to tell you about how he and some private contractors each built an Iraqi border fort and theirs took longer to complete and cost six times as much as his. How much of a dent has the Iraqi oil revenue made in that overall price tag, especially since we were told that it would only cost 1/1000 of that at the beginning?

It's also hilarious that the people most irked about Big Gubmint went out and created a whole new government bureaucracy at taxpayer expense in order to show that you were taking the threat you ignored seriously, as if reorganizing the existing supply of morons would fix anything. The Coast Guard must love having a third outfit to report to at this point.

It's so cute that the Party Of Personal Responsibility refuses to take any amount of responsibility for frakking up the Katrina response, instead blaming the agency that worked for them at the time. Perhaps you shouldn't have put the unqualified horse judge in command or spent all your time complaining about "liberal media templates" trying to make you look bad: http://youtu.be/1LsuOyMCPZ4

I also love how you gops don't believe that terrorists are criminals, especially when they blow up stuff that isn't near and dear to you gops. If such things had happened in Atlanta or Dallas or Phoenix, you gops might've actually been motivated to bag the frakkers...but since they happened in liberal strongholds like Boston and New York City, they're simply casualties of war to you.

And incidentally, the Democratic Party of JFK's time was the beginning of both the Hollywood connection (http://youtu.be/QCd_fuOyuA8) and the whole let's-pander-to-a-given-demographic-for-votes thing you gops love to denounce them for. How's Jimmy Walker working out for you in that regard? http://youtu.be/LWToxPni6Ic

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Singing Putin's praises? Hardly. We're the ones who warned you about him years back. We told you he was going to make a land grab and start expanding his executive powers to a dangerous level. And did you listen? No, of course not.

And may I remind you that Obama gave plenty of notice to Syria that air strikes were coming, even giving them a nice detailed map of targets on live television? How quickly we forget.

So DHS isn't necessary to you? I suppose you favor the Big Brother surveillance project known as the NSA, which, yes, was started by Bush but infinitely expanded under Obama. At least the DHS can prevent a terrorist attack. The NSA couldn't even prevent the Boston Bombing, but they sure did have everything on the bombers AFTER THE FACT. Way to go.

And that is pure BS to say that we wouldn't consider 9/11 and the Boston Bombing tragedies simply because they occurred in liberal cities. WE were the ones that sent troops over there, nutjob. And all that we have done for that region is quickly being undone by ISIS, who has taken over the entire Middle East with little to no opposition. Why? Because we left. Thank you, Obama.

And we supposedly think that terrorists aren't criminals? Whatever man.

I don't know what news agency you watch, because I look at all of them, and I've never seen that kind of backwards thinking, ever. Maybe you've subscribed to some secret radio station run by Michael Moore? I don't know.

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Your boy looked into Pooty-Poot's soul, remember? Of course you don't remember: if it wasn't broadcast on Fox Opinion, it simply didn't happen.

You gops didn't want to hit Assad. You also didn't want to hit Khadaffi, for that matter. You gops only hit the Taliban because the actual victims and not the base were demanding blood.

The NSA isn't chartered for domestic. That's the FBI's purview. And the FBI can't go to work without something called a "viable lead" because otherwise we'd do something stupid like, say, spend 8 years, 4500 lives and $2,000,000,000,000 on a rumor.

The Iraqis were clowns even back in 1990 when they were at their strongest and got their hindquarters handed to them in short order during DESERT STORM. Not our fault that you gops mollycoddled them like gangbusters so no more than three battalions out of 100 could fight unchaperoned.

If you believed that terrorists were criminals, you'd treat them as such. But since they've only hit blue states and not red ones, you secretly support their actions. It's the reason why you gops let bin Laden run loose for nearly a decade, and continue to masturbate yourselves bloody when watching 9/11 footage even as you gops bash the victims' families: http://youtu.be/o6347bWLpe0. Meanwhile Boston PD scragged and bagged the Tsarnaevs that same week, right in time for the weekend on top of that: http://youtu.be/u6JDF1Prrqk. Funny how competent you can be when you actually work the problem and don't preen and posture on Fox Opinion at all hours, huh?

So what say you stop pretending that you want to be friends and start drinking antifreeze? It really annoys liberals when you drink antifreeze.

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I would be more tempted to debate you if you didn't have your head shoved so far up there. That was so far off base you might as well be on another planet. I really am starting to think I've been talking to a Michael Moore addict.

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God forbid somebody show up and shatter your belief-based worldview with a little thing like Reality and its well-known liberal bias, huh? http://youtu.be/YKRFlNryaWw?t=29s

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Wait wait wait...If we can't reach equality by declaring that all Gods are equal, than how do you propose to reach equality??

Let me guess...majority rules? Christian way or the highway?

If you can't find a way to live by your God's rules AND by civil laws at the same time...than you are going to have to choose. You may be rewarded for that in your after life...but here and now... you will have to suffer under the so called persecution inflicted upon you. Unless your God wants to come down here and do something about it. We live in a natural world, not a supernatural world. We hold each other to account under democratic civil laws not by holy scriptures of one brand or another. That's not going to change...ever. Just do your best by your God and leave everyone else alone. Is that too much too ask? If you're not granted superiority...you are not being persecuted.

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This is my old account, but it's jamest2014.

Freedom of religion equals one thing: choose for yourself.

I understand that we live by democratic laws and there is absolutely no problem with that. I'm not looking to establish some kind of Christian theocracy. I'm just looking for people to leave us alone and leave Christian media alone in general.

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Nine people who presumably haven't seen this movie gave it one star. I haven't seen it either. I will therefore give it 10 stars.

Conclusion: IMDB ratings on political movies don't mean squat.

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You may want to try not labeling people or lumping them into neat little categories. I have never heard a liberal say they were tolerant, but I have seen conservatives claim that liberals claim they are tolerant. I am pretty liberal and extremely intolerant of bigotry and people who are rude. Those are my pet peeves. I am a Christian and I find people who think it's okay to talk about gay people and how they think they are sinning to be real asshats. You don't attack someone's being and expect to be respected for that opinion. You are the one hurting others when you make such statements.

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My friends aren't just Christian, just so you know. My best friend is an atheist. Another is bisexual. Many more are agnostic or homosexual. It's not like I just associate myself with other Christians. That would be intolerant.

Also, homosexuals are sinners just like the rest of us. They're just committing an additional sin. Do I agree with their lifestyle? No. But do I hate them, or does God hate them? No and no again. God doesn't like the action, but he loves all people on Earth equally.

Am I for gay marriage? Not really, but I wouldn't lose any sleep over it if it was legalized. The way I see it, mankind would view it as marriage while God wouldn't. I'm pretty much indifferent. But don't force people who don't want to marry them to do so. Let that be their decision.

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"don't force people who don't want to marry them (gay people?) do so...let that be their decision."

You are ridiculous.

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"don't force people who don't want to marry them (gay people?) do so...let that be their decision."

You are ridiculous.

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How is that so ridiculous? That's how you maintain free religious practice and still marry gays. That's called compromise.

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It's ridiculous that you equated marriage equality to forced marriage. No one has ever suggested... in this country... that any kind of marriage, gay or straight, should be forced. Ever. No one. Ever. Not without being laughed at and called ridiculous.

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James I am so glad you judge my sex by calling it a sin. I have heard this every day for years and years, but you have convinced me to have gross sex with a woman the rest of my life and lie to her about it. Hopefully she won't find my giant porn stash or catch me with a man in our bed when she is away.

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Ok I see where the mix-up is. I meant don't force priests and pastors to perform the ceremonies if they don't want to.

And by the way, it is clearly stated in the Bible that homosexuality is a sin. I didn't make the rules...

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You know Jesus is a plagiarised story from other religions right? You are saying rude stuff about a delusional book that steals from other books. It doesn't make it fact. Those stories about a virgin birth were made up thousands of years before Christianity was. Homosexuality was also not a word when the bible was written, but people like you claim verses about it as fact.

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