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Should have been rated NC-17


This film should have been given an NC-17 rating due to the extremne violence and the scene at the end of the movie which shows three faceless priests, all masturbating their erect penises.

The penises are coloured and may be rubber dildos/prosthetic, but they could be interpreted by some viewers to be real, and its inexplainable why such a scene would not get an NC-17 rating. If females were shown clearly masturbating their genitalia, it would result in an NC-17 rating. The film Showgirls (which was far less explicit) was given an NC-17 rating and the actual female genitalia could not be scene, and there was no clear touching of genitalia. There has never been any movie that clearly showed a woman's full genitalia (clitoris/labia, etc) being clearly masturbated, that was ever passed with an R-rating.

Most people would consider this scene pornographic, and the film should have been rated NC-17 because of it, or that scene should have been cut. The only possible explanation for it being passed with an R rating is that the priests appear almost 'non-human" and the penises do appear to be just dildos sitting on their laps, but nonetheless, the MPAA "standards" are baffling, and extremely sexist. Why can male genittalia be clearly shown, every deatail (like the penis in hall Pass) but full female genitalia (vulva/clitoris) cannot be shown in graphic detail? Why can male erect penises (even if prosthetic) be shown, but a spread-open, wet vagina not be shown in R-rated films ? Why can males be shown to be masturbating (such as in this film, even if prosthetics) but females cannot be shown clearly masturbating (fingering their vaginas, rubbing their clitoris)? Its sexist that male genitalia can be shown graphically in mainstream R-rateed movies, but an equally graphic portrayal of the female genitalia would garner an NC-17 rating, ensuring no mainstream distribution. This is a form of economic censorship and repression of the female body and female nudity/sexuality.

The extreme violence, gore, terror, depraved sexuality, nudity, masturbation, etc should have got this film an NC-17 rating. How can a movie like "Blue is the warmest Color", which was released around the same time and only had nudity and simulated sex, be given an NC-17 rating, but this film, is passed with an R-rating? An even more clear example of the sexist double-standard is that the French film "elles", which was released in 2011, was given an NC-17 rating. The movie was given the NC-17 rating beacuse it featured a brief scene where a female character rubs her vagina. You can't even see between her legs. She is just standing there, rubbing her vagina/masturbating. NO DIFFERENT THAN THE SCENE IN LORDS OF SALEM. The scene was about the same length as the scene in Lords of Salem, and BOTH MOVIES show brief masturbation. The ONLY difference is the GENDER. Lords of Salem featured males and was passed with an R-rating. Elles features a female, and was slapped with an NC-17 rating. Lords of Salem also contains way more violence/gore etc. How in the Hell can Lords of salem be granted an R rating, but Elles is given an NC-17. If onscreen masturbation is a no-no, then it should apply to BOTH genders equally. If brief masturbation can be shown, then Elles should have been passed with an r-rating too. This is undeniable proof of the sexist double-standard with how the MPAA rates nudity/sexuality between the genders and is more oppressive of female nudity/sexuality.

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You can totally see female genitalia in Showgirls, and they're pink dildos. That's why Showgirls was nc-17, and this isn't.

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all masturbating their erect penises.


Those ''erect penises'' were just some pink dildos.

There has never been any movie that clearly showed a woman's full genitalia (clitoris/labia, etc) being clearly masturbated, that was ever passed with an R-rating


Yep,there has been-Lust for Dracula!That movie clearly shows girls masturbating their pussies with a full view of their clitoris/labia/pink meat,and guess what-the movie was rated R,not NC-17.
So,kellycastlebridge,you are pretty much wrong.

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You mean to tell me that the penises of those male actors weren't all the exact same shape and size but painted pink?

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Yep,there has been-Lust for Dracula!That movie clearly shows girls masturbating their pussies with a full view of their clitoris/labia/pink meat,and guess what-the movie was rated R,not NC-17.
So,kellycastlebridge,you are pretty much wrong.


Actually, loveald87, I'm afraid you are wrong on this one. I own the R-rated version of Lust for Dracula that I purchased from Blockbuster Video before they went out of business and I can tell you, vaginas are almost non-existent. Even during the vagina rubbing scenes, they just zoom in on the actresses's faces so you see nothing else.

You do see a lot of boobs and butts and brief glimpses of pubic hair (mostly the very top part of the hair) as the camera always seems to purposely stop before moving down further. The only vagina shown was when one of the girls comes out of the shower and is walking towards the camera, a very quick shot of her genitals, visible outer and inner labia (majora, minora) are visible. I had to pause the movie at the exact, right moment to see it, and it actually took a couple rewinds and pauses to finally get it - that's how brief it was.

The version of the movie where they show long, lingering vagina shots, including vagina rubbing, are in the Director's Cut version, which was released Unrated - thus you'd never find this version of the film at Blockbuster.

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Hm,strange.I've owned the R version,and I can assure you that it had lots of very graphic female nudity,full labia,pink meat,even an anus shot at the beginning.I got the movie from some my friend who went on a trip to Hamburg;since it's impossible to find B horror movies in my hometown,I asked him if he could get me some low budget horror movies with lots of female nudity;he said ok,and brought me the movie,along with some others.It was in 2007(or 2008,not quite sure);I wasn't paying much attention to movie certificates back then,but I'm quite sure it had an R certificate.The only reasonable explanation is that the german/european distributor screwed up over the versions.Nothing else could it be.

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NO movie should be NC-17. People who watch R-rated movies are ADULTS. The vast majority of adults have seen plenty of "pink meat" up close and personal. They don't need *beep* MPAA to tell them whether or not something is appropriate for them.

The MPAA is supposed to protect children, but there is ironically tons of violence in PG and PG-13 movies for children because the big studios that make these movies, not coincidentally, also control the MPAA. This is sickening enough, but it's absolutely *beep* ridiculous that the MPAA can effectively ban movies for ADULTS from the theaters based on SEX simply by giving them an NC-17 rating. It's a joke. Adults should be able to tell R-rating movies from NC-17 movies from XXX-rated movies without the hypocritical MPAAA douchebags, and avoid the ones they can't personally handle.

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Have you read the novelization?, it’s WAY more bloody and gruesome than the movie is, the first draft definitely would’ve gotten the movie an NC-17

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