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Part 1

posted 2 years ago by MartyDeniro (4052)
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was on last night. I believed most of what she said, but I found some of the same problems as in the Allen vs Farrow thing. She's go so far in the set up, beyond the realm of believability, in depicting herself as completely naive and somehow outside the show biz world that she worked within. Also, I understand that it's going to be one person speaking to the camera, so you have to break it up with images, but the animation tries to play games with your feelings in such a weird way. In particular, the sequence of him kissing her for the first time is depicted in cartoon form but shows a little girl that looks like a kid's doll with a swirling dark smoke around her that jabs into her mouth.

[–] rex (2842) 2 years ago

part 2 tonight should be significant, i believe her to be that naive considering how young she was at the time. she understands now how he manipulated & abused her and what she was fighting for in part 1 was for other victims. she said numerous times that she knew nothing could be done about what happened back then to her but to have a law changed because of it is admirable.

[–] MartyDeniro (4052) 2 years ago

I just find it weird, as with Allen vs Farrow, that so much time is spent establishing herself in a certain light -- and in the process answering any doubt, or question you might have, preemptively -- before you get to what happened. I don't find it hard to believe things going horribly with him, but I do find it hard to believe that she didn't grow up quickly, beyond her years, like so many, who start so young in that biz, before ever meeting him. It seems like a careful process of closing off any angle that anyone might take against her innocence. You can admit the nuance in those things, and toxic relationships and co-dependency, and still be a legit victim. You don't have to depict yourself as Dorothy from The Wizard of Oz, with Manson as the tornado that swept in, when we so saw much of her, before, during, and after him, that didn't seem like that at all. It's as if he was much worse that he seemed, while she, of course, must convince you that she was much more innocent that she seemed. You don't have to be pure as the driven snow to be a victim.