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I wished they had connected Korra to Previous avatars


I was seriously hoping that the writers would connect Korra to the previous avatars (after her connection had severed in season 2).
Did the writers forgot this part?

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I was hoping that too but I guess they chose a different path. Could happen in the comics tho, if they do one for Korra...

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I also feel like this was a missed opportunity. I understand why they severed Kora from the other Avatars and even agree that it was needed in order for the story to progress in a meaningful way. I can just imagine Korra getting all the advice she ever needed from the previous avatars which would have really destroyed her personal growth.

With the finale though, especially with how the boss fight ended, it would have been a great opportunity to link back up. I can only imagine that forming a new spirit portal would be the epitome of spirit bending and that by touching the power so deeply the connection to the previous Avatars through Rava could have been reignited.


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Yeah, I can understand it within the context of LoK. They didn't want her to be able to go running to Aang every time a problem came up. And I can respect that.

I just don't like the implications of it for the franchise. If a third Avatar series ever does get made, we won't be able to get cameos from Aang, Kyoshi or anyone but Korra.

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I'm happy they didn't.
It would've been the easy thing to do.

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Agreed. For as much as I wanted it to happen it was pretty brutal when all the past lives were *snuffed* out, and it VERY much felt like they were literally destroyed. I think the writers always meant for it to stick.

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it certainly adds an interesting new element to any additional spin-offs. making the Avatar slightly less overpowered but without depowering too much seems like a great way to allow more development over time and gives a wider variety of lessons for future Avatars to learn

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I just think of it like the end of Transformers season 3 when the wisdom of the Matrix is used up; it's up to the new generation to fill it back up.

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I was really hoping for this as well. Maybe in the comics.

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I think they broke off her connections to past avatars to have less on atla and more focus on korra.

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And yet they continued to rely on ATLA material to boost ratings, up to and including Zuko and Toph making personal appearances on the show after they were previously implied to be dead.

No, the real reason they did it is because the half-assed deus ex machina they used in the season 1 finale set Aang up as a fix-anything button. In ATLA the previous Avatars couldn't do much to help Aang other than offer advice, but in Korra they just have Aang's spirit come out of nowhere in the last 5 minutes of the show and solve all her problems for her with a snap of his fingers. How was any conflict supposed to be taken seriously after that? No matter what happened, she could just ask Aang to fix it for her. So they had to get rid of him.

It was also a good chance to spite ATLA fans who didn't like the new show by killing him off for good, ruling out any possibility of him returning later in the show or in future series, and to inject some drama into the series by having Korra's failures have consequences for a character the audience actually cares about. No one would give a *beep* if Korra was permanently erased from existence, but Aang? Everybody loves Aang!

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up to and including Zuko and Toph making personal appearances on the show after they were previously implied to be dead.


No they weren't. The show made no implications either way.

No, the real reason they did it is because the half-assed deus ex machina they used in the season 1 finale


Koizilla or spirit bending?

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In Avatar: The Last Airbender, Kyoshi was able to physically appear before a crowd of people in the flesh by temporarily morphing Aang's body to confess killing Chin the Conqueror.

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So? She still didn't do anything besides talk. In fact, she actually made things worse since before she appeared the heroes thought they could get Aang out of it by "proving" Kyoshi was innocent.

Now if she had temporarily morphed into Aang's body and then singlehandedly killed Ozai and wiped out the Fire Nation's army, thus ending any potential conflict left in the series, and could do it again in the event that more popped up, then that would be comparable to Aang's appearance in Korra.

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He had to wear her clothes that they found on Kyoshi island for that(and it was a special day for Kyoshi's spirit), and even then she still didn't really help him do anything since she confessed that she was guilty. It was the fact that Aang protected the village from the fire nation that they changed his sentence, which he did all on his own.

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No they weren't. The show made no implications either way.


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Koizilla or spirit bending?


Koizilla was done by the Ocean Spirit and Energybending was given to Aang by a Lion-Turtle.

The former wasn't something Aang could whip out any time he felt like it, and by the latter the series was over so it didn't matter (and Energybending isn't a game breaker by itself anyway, in fact, it's arguably more dangerous than just killing someone).

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Katara: "My brother and many of my friends are gone"


"Many," not all. Katara had lots of friends, not just Aang and his group. Suki, the Kyoshi warriors, her water tribe, Master Pakku, etc.

Koizilla was done by the Ocean Spirit and Energybending was given to Aang by a Lion-Turtle.


They're still deus ex machinas. Nowhere before were either abilities set up or even implied to have existed. They were just thought up for the finales.

by the latter the series was over so it didn't matter


It's still a deus ex machina.

and Energybending isn't a game breaker by itself anyway, in fact, it's arguably more dangerous than just killing someone


It is a game breaker. Like the Avatar state, only one person can do it.

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Actually Koizilla kind of was set up. Aang did say maybe the spirits will unleash a massive attack on the Fire Nation and Iroh also told Zhao that the spirits are not meant to be trifled with. It was a deus ex machina, but there was an implication that the spirits would do something if they were disturbed.

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True but not that they'd merge with Aang.

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Well that would've taken away from the surprise, though we did see Avatar Roku take over his body at one point to get them out of the temple on that island back in the Winter Solstice episode. So it wasn't a complete surprise that an ancient spirit would be able to have Aang serve as it's conduit. It would've been a little extraneous if they completely spelled it out and had someone onscreen mention that he could merge with a spirit to do what it did.

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though we did see Avatar Roku take over his body at one point to get them out of the temple on that island back in the Winter Solstice episode.


Excellent point.

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They're still deus ex machinas. Nowhere before were either abilities set up or even implied to have existed. They were just thought up for the finales.


Spirit energy and spirit magic was established earlier on in the series during the winter solstice(Hei Bai). Not to mention Avatar Roku's spirit merged with Aang in Winter Solstice Part 2 and helped him fend off firebenders.

Energybending wasn't really that far fetched an ability to be considered a deus ex machina. There were tons of hints about the energy within the body playing a role in how their powers were effected. Iroh could redirect lightning by manipulating his own chi, Water benders could heal by manipulating the chi flow, and the chi could be manipulated in order to temporarily disable bending(Tai Lee's chi blocking). Even Guru Pathik went into a lot of detail about the energy within and even performed some sort of energy bending with Appa. Aang also learned some sort of "energy tracking" within the Swamp as well. All of it led there.

The fact that a Lion Turtle taught him was a deus ex machinas though(but to their credit, he was mentioned at least once in the Library).I don't think the ability to bend energy was never hinted at though. There were loads of hints.

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Energybending wasn't really that far fetched an ability to be considered a deus ex machina.


Being far fetched isn't what makes a deus ex machina. A deus ex machina can be grounded in the real world.

The fact that a Lion Turtle taught him was a deus ex machinas though


Bingo.

I don't think the ability to bend energy was never hinted at though. There were loads of hints.


About the Lion Turtle, but not about what it can do. Energy bending wasn't something Aang figured out due to all the hints out there. It was something that was just given to him by some godly spirit. Practically the very definition of deus ex machina where a god fixes things.

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About the Lion Turtle, but not about what it can do. Energy bending wasn't something Aang figured out due to all the hints out there. It was something that was just given to him by some godly spirit. Practically the very definition of deus ex machina where a god fixes things


There were very few hints of a Lion Turtle within A:TLA. A picture within Wan Shi Tong's library and a few statues made the Lion Turtle very unexpected

The Lion Turtle didn't fix Aang's problem for him though. He simply taught Aang an ability that had been hinted at for awhile within the series, and Aang used that ability to overcome his plight. This is no different from him learning how to bend the elements from all of the other characters in the series(Monk Gyatso, Paku, Katara, Toph, Zuko, Guru Pathik and the Swamp). Aang didn't just figure out how to use any of those abilities on his own either. All of these characters provided the tools that he needed to complete his quest. If you're looking at it from that perspective, then all of those teachings were deus ex machinas as well(when they weren't).

My point about the Lion Turtle was the fact that the character didn't play a role throughout the series until the very moment it was needed(and then it was gone);ergo, it wasn't so much the ability that it taught him that was the issue(the Guru could've came and granted him this ability and it would've felt far less contrived), but the fact that the character itself just appeared out of seemingly nowhere with so much awareness of what had went on that its purpose felt more like a godly intervention rather than a lesson from a teacher. Of course, now that Korra has fleshed out those character far better, it feels a little less contrived to me.

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This is no different from him learning how to bend the elements from all of the other characters in the series


It's very different because he had to actually practice those elements. Energy bending was just given to him.


Aang didn't just figure out how to use any of those abilities on his own either. All of these characters provided the tools that he needed to complete his quest. If you're looking at it from that perspective, then all of those teachings were deus ex machinas as well(when they weren't).


Of course they weren't because Aang specifically set out to learn those abilities and that's even stated right at the beginning of the show.

Energy bending, however, he did not learn. It was just given to him. That's the difference.

the fact that the character itself just appeared out of seemingly nowhere with so much awareness of what had went on that its purpose felt more like a godly intervention rather than a lesson from a teacher.


Exactly. I fully agree.

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Of course they weren't because Aang specifically set out to learn those abilities and that's even stated right at the beginning of the show.

Energy bending, however, he did not learn. It was just given to him. That's the difference.


Just because he set out to learn how to bend just the four elements doesn't mean that was all that was needed for him to complete his quest. He learned far more things from his quest than just the four elements. He didn't even know about the Avatar State until season 2. He met people/spirits/animals along the way that taught him many things.

He was taught how to use energy bending. There is even a point where there's a flashback of the Lion Turtle explaining how to use it. This is no different from Zuko teaching Aang how to redirect lightning or the Guru showing Aang how to open his chakras to unlock his Avatar State. Even the Dragons taught Aang and Zuko things about firebending. There was no practice for any of these, He just did it. In fact, outside of earth bending, he was very good at picking up things with little to no practice at all.

Also, the fact that it was ultimately his will that was the key factor in using the energy bending vindicates the Lion Turtle from directly interfering with the outcome of the battle. He taught Aang another way to win without tarnishing his soul, but it was up to Aang to use the skill properly, not the Lion Turtle. All the Lion Turtle really did was showed him how to use the ability, just like every other person Aang's trained with throughout the series.

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Just because he set out to learn how to bend just the four elements doesn't mean that was all that was needed for him to complete his quest.


Right. That's not an argument I'm making.

He was taught how to use energy bending.


He was just given the ability, not taught. Like Avatar Wan.

This is no different from Zuko teaching Aang how to redirect lightning or the Guru showing Aang how to open his chakras to unlock his Avatar State. Even the Dragons taught Aang and Zuko things about firebending.


Again, Aang set out to learn these things. These things were set up.

The Lion Turtle and energy bending just showed up when needed to fix a conflict in the story (whether Aang should kill the Fire Lord). That's what makes it a deus ex machina. It's the very definition.

I'm not saying it makes the series weak or that it sucks or anything. I'm just saying, it is what it is.

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I think they did imply tops was dead or at least that's what I thought for the longest time but I always knew zuko was still alive.

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Some people interpreted it that way, but unless it was confirmed (such as with Aang and Sokka), it's ok for the writers to reveal she's not dead.

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It was just because in the first 2 seasons especially the first one the way they would talk about tops sounded like they were talking about someone who had died & when they talked about her they never said anything like"this is where she lives now, right she is this old, or she loves this kind of food." When they did talk about her it was always in past tense.

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Fix all her problems? Please. Korra unlocked air bending without his help, exposed Amon, and saved herself and Mako. And don't spite Aang's appearance when fans clamored to see the original team Avatar. It would have been totally unsatisfying if Aang never made an appearance outside of the flashbacks. Speaking of, he was helping and guiding Korra along the way by sending her visions, but Korra went into danger without the Avatar State.

Let's also give her some credit. Adult Aang needed the Avatar State to break Amon's father's bloodbending; Korra singlehandedly freed herself. That's something to admire.

Your last paragraph is laughably absurd. She lost her connection so Korra would have to be a more independently thinking Avatar. She couldn't talk to her past lives about the spirit vines and the Red Lotus. It was a developmental step in Korra's character. You think the creators of Korra wanted to attack their own fanbase? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard 

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She deserves to have her connection restored.

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