You see this coming (excuse the pun) a mile away. Don't they believe we ordinary, non-evil chicks indulge?
shareShe was masturbating thinking about a guy being strangled to death. THAT is NOT normal.
Amy: I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
I've never noticed that. I've always seen it portrayed as liberation.
shareSo why do so very few women admit to masturbating, even after you've known them for years?
With men, self-reported masturbating is about 95% with the remainder assumed to be repressed liars or infirm. In contrast, only 30-40% of women admit masturbating in surveys.
What gives? Perhaps the surveys I've seen are old.
So why do so very few women admit to masturbating, even after you've known them for years?
With men, self-reported masturbating is about 95% with the remainder assumed to be repressed liars or infirm. In contrast, only 30-40% of women admit masturbating in surveys.
"Women are sexually charged (as they've always been), and depending on the country you're looking at ( I suggest looking at the Nordic countries, Switzerland and The Netherlands), you'll see some eye watering stuff with regards to female sexuality."
Yes, of course women are sexually charged - they're human. Suppression of sexuality or labeling it in derogatory ways is part of the idealization or belittlement of the gender, which are flip-sides of the same coin (you know, "madonna or whore"). Being human means that its possible to be a woman and, like men, give vent to sexual desires, which can also include the darker side that society won't sanction. I love how in the masturbation scene, the shower and bathroom are all white and have an almost sacred, sanctified appearance. India washes herself clean of all the dirt, like a profane baptism, the angelic music rising, and finally opens up to her hidden nature. Sure, killing people and being sexually turned on by the act, isn't "good", but the film isn't about showing the way to morally upright behavior, it's about revealing the central character's true nature - in a twisted, subversive way, her humanity.
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Fusion72 and LifeVsArt, all these arguments are good, but there's still a factual disconnection that I've even experienced personally: some of the same women who deny masturbating will happily joke about the vibrator in their bottom drawers. (That would've been droll in a Victorian times.).
Perhaps I've just asked them about their habits in a creepy way: I don't know. (OTOH, some have denied masturbation even after we've been cohabiting for a year or more, when presumably nothing should be off limits. If I was being as creepy as I've surmised, then why hadn't they - and didn't they immediately - run for the hills?)
I still find it very odd, but the traditional role models that you've mentioned (men are hunters while women are either madonnas or "scarily" promiscuous) explains it to a degree. I've long suspected that I lie on the more gregarious end of the autism spectrum: maybe my conundrum has something to do with that.
the shower and bathroom are all white and have an almost sacred, sanctified appearance
it has to be said that female protagonists in films are always depicted as being very hygienic (e.g. Nymphomaniac by LvT). In film, unhygienic women (like their onanistic counterparts) are almost always on the path to insanity.
Thank you for the suggestion: I'll try to track down Vagabond.
I'm ashamed to admit this, but I was overlooking the "invisible poor" and the homeless. Still, many people in desperate situations somehow manage to stay crisply clean. I recall seeing a documentary about men who lived in cardboard boxes in the Tokyo subway. They managed to make their boxes look very neat, clean and even homely. (Some had small battery-powered TVs!) The men appeared to be models of cleanliness, despite their slightly frayed suits, simply by washing their clothes, and themselves, in the hand-basins of public lavatories. It was an astonishing example of will-power defeating pretty shocking circumstances. (Of course, even these men are modestly wealthy compared to - say - the world's poorest half a billion people, who survive on less than US$300/year.)
Quite funny I understand what you're implying as I just recently witnessed LVT's Antichrist. I've been noticing this, as well.
It's always after I lose things that I realize how very significant the things I've lost are.
I think you missed the point.
He uncle had just killed a boy, right in front of her, and this turned her on so much she ended up masturbating in the shower.
Now, would you also say you non-evil chicks' would indulge after killing someone? I hightly doubt it. So yes, someone masturbating after a kill, is definitely evil.
I could list films where female characters who aren't inherently evil masturbate as well? Or are you just looking to contrive sexism?
shareWhen's the last time you saw male masturbation presented in a non-negative way, either?
shareI think you run into the same problem showing female masturbation as you do with depicting sex: if it's healthy and natural and positive, there's no conflict. Therefore it doesn't drive the story forward. Therefore it comes across as gratuitous.
I would also note that you don't see healthy "normal" scenes of men masturbating in movies all that often unless it is the set-up for a joke, of which they are the butt. How often in a drama do you see a scene of a guy masturbating that isn't meant to be weird, disturbing, or sad?
That's a good point. I think the only time I've heard masturbation talked about in a "healthy and natural and positive" way was on Big Brother of all places. The blokes kept referring to "rubbing one out" (jargon that was new to me) and there was a lengthy filmed sequence in which two women were sitting on a bench, modestly dressed but clearly doing something, as they stared intently at the floor while breathing heavily. In short, perfunctory masturbation to fulfil a physical need.
For about ten minutes, I recall thinking that Big Brother might have a socially redeeming aspect after all!
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