Why does a female masturbating in a movie inevitably turn evil?

Doesn't bother me a bit.

I think I read that serial killers often get off on killing and take trophies so they can fantasize the events over and over again so in the context of the scene it was her sexually enjoying someone's gruesome murder. Since Charlie was actually responsible for the kill but she fantasized about kicking the kid to death I just figured the scene was to explain what she was becoming.

It had nothing to do with 'demonizing' female masturbation. It's what she was masturbating to.

I think I recall her weeping, because I actually thought the first time around that she wasn't masturbating, but that she'd had sex with crazy uncle Charlie and was washing away blood. The water shown in the shower floor was a bit tinged. Think American History X shower scene.

I actually went back several times because I was a bit confused.

Rabbit with fangs, is starting to snap her jaws - I actually can't think of any scenes for females or even males that achieve, along with their orgasm, your "sex positive" demands.. Naomi Watts in "Mullholland Drive" might as well be injecting novocaine into her nether regions, she's in emotional agony and it's more like lancing an infected sore. Fassbender in "Shame" is even more miserable, as he spirals down the sexual drain of porn and erotic oblivion. Perhaps we have to return to a more innocent time - perhaps Liz Taylor with all that horse riding in "National Velvet" was, with the constant bouncing and galloping, achieving our elusive goal. At least with our India you could see genuine ecstasy on her face, along with almost religious sounding music building to a crescendo of release. So although her fantasies weren't "appropriate" and her newly blossomed sexuality was a threat to the lives of others, at least she was not a victim, she now could assert herself . . . can't have everything, I say. Or at least it seems difficult to find it in films. Maybe just straight out masturbation is too mundane, too everyday, like brushing your teeth or taking out the garbage.

Pleasantville:the 50's style mother masturbates then she can see color in a black and white world.

In "Secretary", we see the main female character masturbating a couple of times, and it is presented in a positive way (assuming you see the character's sexual and personal awakening as being positive, in light of the dom/sub themes).

But I don't disagree that it seems like female sexual pleasure has been a source of fear, disgust, or disapproval throughout history. It's a problem.

American Pie? =)

Well, there's no way around it, I guess you're right. Maybe female sexuality is more frightening because if a women would see a man masturbating, she'd probably think "what a jerk". If a man sees a woman masturbating, he'd probably think... well something else. Or nothing at all ;)

So it will be perceived differently. Men and women will always be different, especially about sex (I sure wish women would be generally looser with sex!). I guess with that come different stereotypes. Male masturbation is often displayed as pathetic and laughable, not as an expression of power like here.

I also wonder if movies from countries with a less prude culture than the USA have different statistics about female masturbation = evil.

Black Swan?

It takes a lot of balls to write that in such an earnest and sincere way, even under the veil of anonymity!

I tend to agree though that female sexuality is far more mysterious than the male equivalent. With guys, we often break down into primal urges at the end of the day: "Ooh, that attractive girl bent over, look at that!" I think women have a tendency to make male sexuality more complicated than that by projecting their own complex stimuli for sexual arousal onto a man, believing him to be a little more sexually 'sophisticated' when we're usually not far above the chauvinistic caveman in terms of how most of us get aroused.

I don't know about women always having dark fantasies though. I've also been able to have candid, friendly relationships with lots of women (somehow most of my closest friends turned into women after I got married).

At the risk of oversimplification (everything is grey, never black and white, but we can observe general tendencies in the spectrum), the one thing that seems most distinctive to me is that women seem to need more of a concept, a fantasy to get aroused. If it's a heterosexual woman, it's not the male so much as the concept behind him that seems to attract a woman: the very way he carries himself, his job, his mannerisms, the very way he eats or talks or something like that: it's all very sophisticated, and I would agree that a woman may be more prone to elaborate sexual fantasies, including dark ones, since many seem to require a more elaborate scenario to be aroused.

I think us guys can also appreciate the more subtle characteristics of a woman as we grow increasingly fond of her, and in long-term relationships, we might want to spice things up with increasingly elaborate sexual fantasies, but as crude as it sounds, most of us probably wouldn't care that much in terms of our general sexual fantasies if Jessica Alba was a deaf mute. Our innate sexual fantasy doesn't need to revolve around such sophistication -- an attractive naked woman will do just fine without anything fancy.

"there are men and women who have evil thoughts of a sexual nature or commit evil acts of a sexual nature. Gender has nothing to do with it, and your inference, is frankly insulting."

I have to agree with you, "The General" was painting female sexuality with way to broad a brush {possibly in the interest of being provocative, not merely insulting). Maybe, as you stated, his words simply reflect his own experience (I would say, "General", it is possible to meet women outside of bondage bars). Of course, there is a percentage of both men and women who are drawn to the dark edges of sexuality - like you said, it's not gender specific. Obviously a lot of women are purchasing and eagerly reading "Fifty Shades of Grey" (maybe some men too, but I think far less) - so there is a definite female demographic this stuff appeals to. And we know there are many men who feel turned on by dominating and humiliating women, just as there are those who are driven to ecstasy by having hot candle wax dripped on their privates. People are complex, both sexes - so it's almost always a distortion to try and start generalizing (is that what "Generals" do?) when it comes to genders and the erotic side of life. "Stoker", of course, is going to bring dark sexuality up as a topic, so I say let it all come out - we can always talk.

Thank you W-forsthoefel. I was so horrified by General's comment that I didn't want to engage. At first I thought they were a particularly articulate troll but, no, that post was really disturbing. Great reply and I agree with everything you've said.

I am a man, but what difference does that make? I clearly stated that what I mentioned was derived from my experience. However, this doesn't invalidate my statements, and unless you pursue females sexually and possibly romantically, then I actually have a bigger well from which to draw upon. The mere fact that there are women out there who adhere to the things I mentioned should be enough to bring the subject into the light.

Do you want to hear about an actual offensive blanket statement? If I was to say that your post is taking my words to mean other than what was intended to be totally typical of a female mentality, that would be far more preposterous than what I said in my earlier post because that statement is not only misogynistic and unfair, it is also sexist.

I won't say that though, but I will say that you should really read what I am saying, because as I said before, there is validity to it, and denial is being totally pretentious and naïve. I never said female sexuality is evil, but I did say that darkness isn't necessarily a bad thing. In fact, it can be a very good thing. Female sexuality is amazing, and I consider it to be dark due to its complexity, vastness, and lack of understanding. In terms of the grand scheme, its discovery is VERY recent.

My post was never meant to insult women, but those who have no clue what I'm, talking about are the ones who will be offended.

- The General has spoken.

I don't know if I would use the word threatening, but very sexual females can be intimidating for sure for a lot of men, but I have also found that females are also intimidated when they know they are with a man with much more experience than themselves.

Sexual selflessness is strange, and a bit of a double edged sword. I tell people all the time that I am a selfless lover, but I also say that female arousal turns me on. So if this is the case, is foregoing my own needs to pleasure a women really selfless? How about with a like-minded women, whom desires my pleasure in order to enjoy sex? How would that work? That is going into something else entirely really, so I'll stop there.

- The General has spoken.

Looks like a good movie (I love movies about girl culture) but interesting that it's a European film and not a Hollywood one.