I'm watching the marathon and in season 4, Edith has just come back from Switzerland. I know that I'm supposed to feel sorry for her but that's hard because she feels so damn sorry for herself. She's spent episode after episode drooping around demanding sympathy. Maybe I'm heartless.
shareYeah, that was the moment when the series was in the worst moment, and in the same time the Bates (again having troubles with the justice), Mary surrounded by young, healthy, rich, tittled, men (in a country who lost nearly 1 million in the war...), Tom talking about staying or leaving, etc.
In that precise moment JF should have sended Edith to live alone with her daughter in London as independent woman, with that we could have see how many woman who lost their chances to marry due to the lack of men after the war found new purposes by having a professional carreer. Also some sort of plot when the family realizes that the baby is Edith´s daughter and by their desinterest in her, her daughter managed to get pregnant, inherit a business and raise a child under their noses.
their desinterest in her, her daughter managed to get pregnant, inherit a business and raise a child under their noses.
I loved how totally self-involved everyone upstairs was, especially Robert and Mary. It was unbelievable but borderline hilarious. I suspect Edith could have had several children and her mother, father and sister would never have known.Lampshaded when she told Tom at Brancaster that Mary pays no attention to her at all. And when Robert admits that she's surprised him the most of all his daughters, possibly for the same reason as Mary. share
The MAJORITY of the characters in this series were selfish, self-involved, self-centered, self-seeking, and self-aggrandizing.
The message seems to be that no matter how high or low born, they all have the same puerile motivations.
It was amazing to listen to the vitriol flow and the watch the fur fly from episode to episode. The machinations were very entertaining. More than the sets and costumes.
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Well it seems that my last comment was deleted, probably too harsh. Let me try again. What Edith did to the Drewes was unforgivable. Trumps anything Barrow ever did to anyone.
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LOL, I agree. I think the phrase "horse whipped" was what got my message deleted.
shareWhat happened to the Drewes was not Edith fault really. She wanted Mrs Drewe to think the Baby was a friends baby so her going to visit her would not seem out of the ordinary. It was Mr Drewe who changed the story and lied to his wife thus making Edith's visits strange.she had every right to claim her baby and I'm glad they wrote it so she would .
I don't understand why Everyone blames Edith
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What happened to the Drewes was not Edith fault really. She wanted Mrs Drewe to think the Baby was a friends baby so her going to visit her would not seem out of the ordinary. It was Mr Drewe who changed the story and lied to his wife thus making Edith's visits strange.she had every right to claim her baby and I'm glad they wrote it so she would .Edith refused a relatively safe and convenient abortion when it was available, saying that her child was wanted and loved, and she never gave up hope that Gregson was alive. With that in mind, the idea that Marigold was adopted out makes no sense. It's clear that both sets of parents were foster parents, and the arrangement was not a permanent one. In such cases, the parents behaved much like Mr. Drewe, showing care and affection, but aware that it was temporary. No one thought that Mrs. Drewe would go the way she did, least of all him.
I don't understand why Everyone blames Edith
A reply to my comment was apparently deleted. I'd like to see it and I'd like others to see it, even--especially--if someone's disagreeing with me. Please reply again and maybe I can catch it before the Mad Deleter gets out his pruning shears.
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I also agree that most her troubles were caused by her own hand, but that doesnt justify the cruelty of certain members of her family towards her. If i know someone who have made a lot of mistakes in life i dont go and bully him, even if i dont want to help i step back and stay silent and watch his misery.
In Edith´s case, she had to endure (as any person) her own mistakes and bad actions, but also she had to put with Mary´s bullying and both of her parents lack of interest. Very telling the scene that when she brought Marigold to the house, Robert is more concerned about his dying pet than her daughter bringing a orphan kid, if i had daughter and she is bringing and orphan child i put that #1 in my list and i tried to know more about it, far above of my belove pet. The las part, not speak bad of Edith, speaks bad of her parents and sister; and in the end how toxic was the relation in the family.
Thank you! I happen to like Edith very much, so I don't get all this hatred against her. But I guess that all of these bashers are simply Mary fans?
Bertie is one of my favorites as well.
Intelligence and purity.
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I posted a thread about that very same thing and some responses were actually in DEFENSE of her "situation" in having a child out of wedlock!!
Boo hoo, lol!
Edith may have been more unfortunate than Mary and Sybil in the romance department but, she was inexcusably SELFISH in how she hurt the Drewe's (AND also I'm sure, the family she ripped the infant Marigold away from in Switzerland as well!!)
As soon as she decided to have the baby, knowing the social standards of her day, and her own emotional attachment SHE became even more self centered and selfish to all involved in her child's care!
Made me HATE her when the Drewe's had to leave the farm and their livelihood after ALL they did for her while she got her mess together! She barely even THANKED them. Robert was more sorry and appreciative than Edith was. Disgraceful!
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Ah, another Mary VS. Edith thread. Let's see if anyone actually comes up with anything new, or if we're just going to go around beating all the same dead horses. I noticed there are already a lot of deleted posts in this thread.
So, does anyone else want to see how long it would take to get this thread to 100 replies?
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it- Aristotle
Ah, another Mary VS. Edith thread. Let's see if anyone actually comes up with anything new, or if we're just going to go around beating all the same dead horses. I noticed there are already a lot of deleted posts in this thread.
So, does anyone else want to see how long it would take to get this thread to 100 replies?
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Relax, LMH. I've actually done a rewatch, and I'm not too fond of either sister. I agree that Edith can give as good as she gets and she's nowhere near the saint that Edith fans make her out to be. My post was meant to be a little bit of tongue-and-cheeck about how people on BOTH sides of this debate and how the same people seem to be arguing the same points over and over and over and over.... you get the point, right? Anyway, you obviously did not take my post in the same spirit in which I made it. For that, I apologize.
Oh, and I'm just going to assume that I misread your post and that you are not accusing me of having your posts deleted. If I have a problem with the way someone is acting, I will just come out and tell them. I totally agree that having someone's posts deleted is indeed, "shameful, boorish, bullying, and immature."
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it- Aristotle
I agree that Edith can give as good as she gets and she's nowhere near the saint that Edith fans make her out to be.
Not you particularly, but I have seen other posters try to defend everything she does.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it- Aristotle
Not you particularly, but I have seen other posters try to defend everything she does.Usually as a reaction to the Mary Sue-ing of Mary. share
Cute pun. But seriously, just about any bit of bad behavior you can think of, I've seen posters on both teams do. And really, did anyone not think my first post was at least a little funny? It was totally meant as a joke.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it- Aristotle
What pun? Who are you, Roger De Bris?
shareCute pun. But seriously, just about any bit of bad behavior you can think of, I've seen posters on both teams do. And really, did anyone not think my first post was at least a little funny? It was totally meant as a joke.we may need to use the /s marker to indicate sarcasm on the board, just to keep things clear.
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Is that what's going on?!
My comment about Edith being whiny was also deleted haha.
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Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that I'll be over here looking through your stuff.
What I don't understand is how he/ she can have the admins delete post that there is nothing wrong with! One would think that they would question why all these post are so offensive to the complainer or.. Does he/she work at IMDb?
shareOr (s)he knows someone who works at IMDB.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it- Aristotle
I think it's odd that IMDb don't have a automatic check on what's happening on each board, they know number of posts in a timeperiod and in DA the by admin deleted posts must be unreasonable high, it should " flag" the forum for a check on what's happening.
And if an employee/ friend of one, is ruining forums IMDb aught to be interested.
I dont think so, i think that the post that are deleted are the ones who are "harsh" with the series in general, for example, i always tried to be "polite" writing about any character. But when i wrote more "harsh" about the Bates, the post was deleted few moments after.
shareI think the posts in " Mary's is a bitch" tread are quite harsh, and they remain. Anyway I've got a warning now..
but that are the "olds" threads, for example, i noticed that the deleting thing started little by little a month ago or something like that. Because if it is about trhashing some characters (all of them, even the dog was attacked), 3 months ago this board was insane sometimes and the posts were not deleted.
sharebut Brit Girl has had her post deleted for more then a month, I think?
shareThat doesn't explain Britgirl's deletions. In fact, most of the time it's Mary fans who disagree with britgirl because she's a MG fan and supports Mary-Henry.
shareI've only just watched the entire series (on AmazonPrime). Took me about two weeks to watch all seasons. Wonderful series!
Edith...among my least favorite characters. Her poor me attitude just made me ill. By the end, I was happy that she was happy, but still. A friend of mine pointed out that Edith had the typical middle child syndrome...but I just thought her pathetic. Lol. I liked Mary throughout...her snobbery was hilarious. It was Sybil with whom I fell in love though...and cried over. Loved her!
Really? Let's do a recap on Edith's life story, shall we?
1: She grows up as the "ugly" and "boring" middle child, between two prettier and more popular sisters. Mary only sees her as her personal punchbag, whom she can use freely to make herself feel better.
2: And yeah, Edith is clearly also their mother's least favorite daughter.
3: When she thinks that she's going to get married to Anthony Strallan (a much older man, whom she probably only accepted to avoid becoming a spinster), he jilts her right before the wedding.
4: Sybil (the sister who had been nice to her) dies from ecclampsia right after childbirth.
5: Edith finds true love in Michael Gregson, but he just happens to be married to a madwoman, whom he can't divorce despite how she can't even recognize him anymore. So he goes to Germany to get a divorce there, only to get killed by early Nazis.
6: And yeah, Edith is now pregnant out of wedlock. As an aristocratic woman in the 1920s! She has to give birth to her daughter in Switzerland and can't acknowledge that she's the girl's real mother.
7: Mary refuses to let Edith mourn for Michael for even one evening, because everybody has to celebrate her ugly new hair-cut. And yeah, Cora of course sides with Mary!
8: Edith finds love again with Bertie Pelham, only to have her happiness almost destroyed by Mary. Her own sister.
And despite all of this, Edith managed to become a successful magazine editor. So if you watched all six seasons and still can see her only as a pathetic loser with a bad attitude, who deserves no sympathy... Yeah, I guess that proves that people like Mary and Cora exist in real life.
Intelligence and purity.
To you, Baldrick, the Renaissance was just something that happened to other people, wasn't it?
It was about the fourth season that people started calling Moseley the downstairs Edith, and joking that others were pasting "Poor" signs over their names in the trailers.
It's no wonder that both of their triumphs were saved for the final show; Edith's wedding and Moseley's becoming a teacher. In show business you give the people what they want, but you make them wait to have it at the end.
Because this isn't high art, it's popular entertainment. These two were the persistent underdogs, and became two of the most popular characters in the series.
There's also the personal component; Kevin Doyle's career was revived from its creep/villain rut and Laura Carmichael's was begun. Both started on the periphery of the show and moved into the center of the story.
It's a British show, and these reactions were far more pronounced on the British boards--the British love of the underdog. For the rest of us, it's identification--if these "losers" can make it, there's hope for us.
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