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What exactly makes Jori so popular?


It's interesting how the whole Jori pairing seems to be more popular than any other pairing on the show. I don't know if that's suppose to be surprising or what. But what are the reasons for this? Is it because they represent the typical "love-hate" type of relationship that many people love so much? (e.g. Freddie/Sam, Ron/Hermione, Darcy/Elizabeth, Buffy/Spike, etc.); or is it because the idea of a same-sex couple (especially with two VERY attractive young ladies) is intriguing? Or... some other reason(s)? To be honest even I find the idea of them as a couple almost a turn on. But I'm not quite sure why. Can't really put my finger on it. Anyone else have any opinions about this?



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My views:

* It's a love-hate relationship that is more interesting than any of the other ships on the show: Beck is a robot so there isn't much care for his ships, Tandre could have been something but the writers completely ignored the possibility, Robbie and Cat were shipped with each other thus making their ships with others minor.
* Jade is a absolutely proto-typical 'jerk with secret hidden feelings of vulnerability' and those characters are extremely popular in the fandom (witness Seddie/Sam popularity in iCarly).
*The femslash community in the Nick fandom is very strong and picked up on Jori very early.

Combine the three together and you get the reason for Jori's popularity.

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Ain't rocket science, they have chemistry. Same as any popular pairing.

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I wouldn't confuse whats popular on the internet with what the actual demo feels.

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Jori is popular with males over 16 who want to see two hot girls have lesbian sex. I don't think there's any "deeper" reason than this.

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Not sure what your point is here. I'm sure Jori is popular with some males over 16 for that reason but firstly, they don't have to be over 16 to be interested in that. Boys and girls 12 or 13 and up are interested in that.

Secondly males over 16 don't have enough presence in the Victorious fandom to make anything popular, so while I'm sure you're right about males over 16, that's got next to nothing to do with Jori being the most popular ship. Most Jori fans are women.

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Are you actually going to claim that most Jori fans are bisexual or lesbian? There just aren't that many young females who fit into that category for such a claim to make sense.

Most female viewers wanted Tori with Beck, they always did, they didn't want Tori to be with a woman.

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Oh my my my. You don't have to be bi or gay to ship a slash couple. Sweet summer child, is this your first day in the shipping world?

At least 90% of the people trending Jori themes on Twitter were female, as are most of the people who post Jori things on tumblr. Look for yourself if you distrust me, the ratio isn't remotely close. It's girls/women much more often than not.

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You win the internet for referencing GoT.

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Actually Martin, Deus is right. I've noticed that most of the Jori fans are in fact females. (another reason I started this thread, was because I also noticed more of that then with male viewers) Whether they are bi or gay, it really doesn't matter. But even so, like Deus said, you can have any sexual orientation and ship with any character. I know a bisexual male who ships Andre/Beck, and Tori/Jade. And a straight girl who also likes Tori/Jade. And you know not every fan of the show is straight, there are obviously some gay and bisexual fans of the show, and of course the gay and bisexual female viewers, (as well as some straight and bisexual males) would gladly ship Tori with any of the female characters.

So when you made the claim, "There just aren't that many young females who fit into that category for such a claim to make sense."

You actually think that Victorious doesn't have a big GLBT fan-base in general or what?


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Yeah I know many women that are straight and only ship slash couples. I know a couple dozen Jori fans and less than 5 are guys. Also I know many Victorious fans and not a one of then ship Tori and Beck, actually I don't think I've ever talked to anyone that shipped Bori

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Reminds me of this joke ... "At my age I need two girls at once. If I fall asleep, at least they have each other to talk to." -- Rodney Dangerfield.

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Right, because only a small percentage of Victorious's audience (kids today) use the internet.

Oh, wait... that's not quite right.

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One big reason Jori was so popular was because Victoria Justice and Liz Gillies had an onscreen chemistry that mimicked a real Lesbian couple, or any couple for that matter. This is the primary reason they were so popular; it wasn't just the titilation of two hot girls "gettin' it on" that fueled their fandom... Which is mostly females, straight, and/or Gay.

When Liz and Victoria were on screen (depending on the writing) you could see they were both equals even when Jade thought she was better than Tori. There is double irony here as well since Tori was supposed to be this awkward, meek girl trying to find her place, but then paired opposite Jade and she became the strongest of all the characters simply because Jade unapologetically forced her to be. That's something real couples, regardless of sexual orientation, do and this just came across as a happy accident as the series progressed. Not even Liz and Avan had that kind of chemistry and they were the canon (straight) couple, ironically.

If this had been a more adult show, or at least, one squarely aimed at older teens and 20somethings, they could have had a lot of fun with the Jori pairing, and I don't mean teasing the fan base like Dan did in his lame attempt to pander and/or increase ratings. They could have acknowledged Liz and Victoria's Gay-straight chemistry in a humorous way like Cougar Town acknowledges Jules and Ellie's banter even when their characters are strictly platonic friends.

Tori: You know what I'm thinking?
Jade: That we should kill Beck, bury him in the backyard, get married and raise Cat together so she can care for us in our old age?
Tori: No. Although, I think it's sweet I'm your first choice when you want to finally bat for the other side. We'll make that plan B in case neither of us get married in the next 30 years, OK?
Jade: OK.

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Just throwing a lesbian couple on TV with no reason is boring, insulting, and comes off desperate. If the character starts out a lesbian or bi then it works but if not there needs to be build up and a story, also the girls should have chemistry. Tara and Willow worked because there was lead up and a story to it, if Willow had just came in one day and said "Im tired of guys" and then just started hooking up with random girls it would have seemed fake and I would have hated it. Instead she slowly fell in love with Tara, and the were the cutest couple ever on TV

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Which is what made Jade & Tori so perfect. So much build up in their relationship, and then ...BAM! Stalemate. Not sure I'll ever forgive Dan for flubbing Jori. Just another nail in the coffin for Nick though, sadly.

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Jori was never going to happen on Nick prime. Maybe Teen Nick would have worked

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They could have given us a perfectly legitimate stage kiss at the end of Jade & Tori's Playdate but they chickened out. That was pretty much the day I realized Disney is the better channel and the better company (although I probably should have realized it sooner).

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Disney don't even let their hetero couples have their kisses shown on camera, why is Nick less of a channel because Dan didn't want to write a lesbian kiss for Victorious?

They probably should've had a cheek kiss or something, but really, Nick execs would never let them do a proper lesbian kiss, even if it was a 'stage kiss'.

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I am wondering this, do you think Jade actually hated Tori? In some ways, I think Jade's relationship with Tori is more like Roger and Doug on "Doug." He may have antagonized Doug a lot, but I think he wanted to be his friend. While Jade may have been antagonistic towards Tori a lot worse, I really don't think she hated her as much as she thought she did. They were always in each other's company for starters.

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It was obvious from the first episode Jade felt threatened by Tori, and feared she might take Beck from him, but...

Most of Jade's character (what we can gleam from what little characterization Dan provided) was supposed to be the typical teen who projects a persona of negativity in order to push people away, but deep down she was afraid of getting too close to somebody and getting hurt, emotionally.

However, once Jade got to know Tori, she realized she wasn't a threat because Tori was secure with herself (and focused on things other than Beck) and this allowed her to tolerate and even call on Tori's help on numerous occasions.

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Actually, I'm pretty sure Jade's character only changed her mind about Tori (although she really didn't) once the writers realized people liked Beck and Jade together (not all obviously but I don't believe we were supposed to root for them in the beginning which had obviously been changed at the end) and ditched the original idea of eventual endgame Beck/Tori (which was clearly being set up in the beginning). Jade evolved from the original antagonist she was meant to be because of that change because it was no longer her and Tori "fighting" over Beck which is the traditional girl protagonist vs. antagonist relationship.

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I wouldn't say that. The single biggest development in Jade & Tori's friendship happens exactly three episodes into the series, when Tori takes the fall to let Jade off the hook, and then they dance off into the proverbial sunset together, in Stage Fighting. Near the end of the show Jade starts to struggle with actually admitting that she likes Tori but they've already solidified their bond and that's the quintessential step if you ask me.

If they really had no intention of giving Tori and Jade an evolving-towards-amicable relationship I reckon it would have taken them longer than a couple of episodes before they start heavily developing that relationship.

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I liked Jade and Tori being friendly.

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think i shipped Jori a little because Vic and Avan were besties in real life & they just seemed to have that genuine chemistry & i thought they were cute together!

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''Just throwing a lesbian couple on TV with no reason is boring, insulting, and comes off desperate.''

And yet throwing a straight couple on TV isn't? I don't know about you but I want to live in a world where they do not HAVE to have convoluted reasons fro homosexual relationships.

Have damn lead-ups to lesbian relationships is needless and old hate. Shows should start with characters in homosexual relationships just as they often start with heterosexual relationships. Sometimes you should have homosexual courtship plots, but not always. We need true equality in TV.



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Boy that show "Will & Grace" from the early 2000's sure was ahead of its time....

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The more VICTORIOUS episodes I watch, the more I notice the subtle lesbian subtext between Tori and Jade. I am now almost certain Jade has the hots for Tori (she seems to treat Beck more like a prized possession than a boyfriend, and he merely tolerates rather than likes her), and Tori herself seems to regard Andre and Beck as very good friends and no more; she also seems more desperate for Jade's approval than anyone else's. I agree with an above post: they should have kissed - and kissed PASSIONATELY - in that episode about the play where they were husband and wife - it was a major missed opportunity, and it wouldn't even scare the homophobes that much since it would have been presented as fiction-within-fiction.

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Honestly, Tori is worse than Jade. She's so selfish and has to be center of attention as long as it gets her name in lights. Jade never pretended to be something she wasn't.

Tori is seriously the worst.

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