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The way they killed was so stupid.


One long nail.WTF? This movie had potential but failed.








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A nail in your jugular will do that. Try it.

I'm glad the clichéd use of 'fangs' was shunned. If this utilised the typical tropes of modern vampiric films (pale skin, death in sunlight, allergic to garlic (!)), I would have given it a wide berth.

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Yea if you sharpen your nail. What modern vampire films have death in sunlight and allergic to garlic?Let the Right One In is the last movie I remember still having not being able to go into sunlight. A lot of these new vampire movies/shows unfortunately are too much into romance and vampires running around in the sun whining about how they live.They got rid of the whole garlic thing in the 90s.




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Dracula from the original novel by Bram Stoker can actually go out of daylight abit weaker then at night. Vampire mythology varies in many cultures and so does it with novels, even movies as you can see yourself not every vampire is affected by garlic even before the 90's.

If you have watch Interview with the Vampire, Lestat who is an atheist like you I assume used a gold sharp nail in the 1700's, but really he don't really need that its just his dandy thing.


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“I don't believe in anything, Mother," I said. "You told Armand long ago that you believe you'll find answers in the great jungles and forests; that the stars will finally reveal a vast truth. But I don't believe in anything. And that makes me stronger than you think” - The Vampire Lestat

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You’ve clearly never read Stoker’s novel. His Nosferatu can’t even MOVE when the sun is up.

Never let facts get in the way of your prejudice.

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This film did make it clear that vampires prefer the dark, although sunlight obviously doesn't actually harm them.

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Your real mistake is in thinking there is only one kind of vampire.

And romance isn't new to vampire fiction. You've clearly never read Dracula.

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When did I write that romance was new to vampire fiction?The best ones usually don't have romance. Way too many do which is annoying. Give me Lost Boys,Never Dark,etc any day. As long as romance isn't the main plot and its not completely terrible like Twilight.

The last good vampire movie in recent years was Let The Right One In. The rest have been about whining vampires going on about romance.





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When did I write that romance was new to vampire fiction?


Right here:
"A lot of these new vampire movies/shows unfortunately are too much into romance and vampires running around in the sun whining about how they live."

The best ones usually don't have romance.


So what do you consider the "best ones" then? Like I said, we're discounting Dracula since it's heavily romantic.

Give me Lost Boys,Never Dark,etc any day. As long as romance isn't the main plot and its not completely terrible like Twilight.


Yeah, we know. Twilight was *beep* But there is so much out there that isn't Twilight this complaint is lazy. The Vampire Chronicles for example. Full of romance and infinitely better than Twilight.

Also, the romance between Michael and Star in The Lost Boys is central to the plot. So you just lost the argument.

The last good vampire movie in recent years was Let The Right One In. The rest have been about whining vampires going on about romance.


You clearly need to get out more. Your sphere of experience seems limited.

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Romance isn't the main plot in Lost Boys but used to advance the main plot. You have one brother falling into one group of friend and the other brother falling into another.

Vampire Chronicles is a novel. I'm only talking about films. Oh,tell me enlightened one. What great vampire movies have been made in the last few years that didn't suck?






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Romance isn't the main plot in Lost Boys but used to advance the main plot.


So you're saying you have yet to learn what "central to the plot" means?

You have one brother falling into one group of friend and the other brother falling into another.


Not true. Michael was NEVER friends with any of the vampires. He only "fell in with them" because of Star. I also wouldn't really consider the Frog brothers friends with Sam either.

Vampire Chronicles is a novel. I'm only talking about films. Oh,tell me enlightened one. What great vampire movies have been made in the last few years that didn't suck?


No, it's a series of novels and one was made into an excellent movie. Interview with the Vampire was fantastic and was heavily romantic.

What exactly is the timeframe I'm working with here? What do you consider "the last few years"? And what would you consider "not sucking"? Your personal dislike of a film, or critical appraisal?

How about "Only Lovers Left Alive"? 2013 and the entire film is about the romance between two vampires and is sitting at 86% on Rotten Tomatoes. What about Thirst? 2009 movie with 81% on Rotten Tomatoes. Fright Night has 72%. Shadow of the Vampire at 81%.

I also think it's hilarious that you hold up Let the Right One In as an example, considering the relationship between the two leads in the film is romantic. Not sexual, but romantic.

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There is no romance in Stoker’s novel.

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This is for King of Bob. Yeah, the copy of Stoker’s novel that I annotated and sits on my library shelf is a document I’ve not read. Sure.

Montague Summers’ text, The Vampire, make it clear that (1) being DEAD, vampires cannot procreate by sex, only by infection (“turning” humans), (2) are not a resurrected human, they are a demon that inhabits a corpse, so they share no memories from the human corpse, (3) being demons, they are incapable of having romantic relationships.

Prithee, tell me how there is more than one kind of vampire, meaning an undead spirit who cannot move during times of the Sun’s ascendence and need to suck blood (preferably human, but rats, bunnies etc. will do in a pinch) to survive? Sorry, Bob, not buying your bullshit.

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If this utilised the typical tropes of modern vampiric films (pale skin, death in sunlight, allergic to garlic (!)), I would have given it a wide berth.
Crosses...

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Because fangs appearing out of nowhere makes so much more sense, right?

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I like the sharp nail idea. Much better than the fangs which, if nothing else, are now completely overdone and obvious. The nail was a very good addition to the vampire mythos.

I also liked that the nail grew when the vampire hunger was aroused, rather like an erection triggering an urgent need. Example, Elle in the hospital. When her hunger was awoken she went hunting the corridors of the hospital almost in a spaced-out state, looking for a suitable victim.

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When Ella killed that old man, sucking from his wrist in the beginning, I got chills. Years ago I dreamed of a disrobed pale beauty doing something similar to me.

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