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If eveything goes back to normal then the chain starts again. Boy grows old, boy goes back in time...
not just a plot hole, but a huge crater of an issue for me!
Milo
it's just my opinion, as a relatively intelligent human.
they could've made that storyline so well but at the end when he accidentaly kills himself why does everything change so that it is perfect. why does he suddenly have the perfect life?
I'm disappointed it had the potential but then it ruined itself
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He said he tried over and over again, because he couldn't get it right, so maybe he killed the wrong person along the way, creating this reality for himself. But in a way you're right something had to set him of the "first" time, even if it happened later than april 23 2011, that would still happen.
I didn't really like the ending either would've been much better if Cuba got arrested for killing the kid... No plot hole, no Hollywood ending, a better film altogether. Maybe an idea for the official release!!!
yeah, every time he changed his past his future shifted but he had to of invented the time machine in his original reality to enable him to go back in the first place and that would have never changed. Would it?
Milo
I believe that is why he never killed off cuba, He kept telling him about his promise to come back for him. I believe that broken promise was the key.
share
interesting and a very god point, but i was led to believe he would come back to him at the orphanage but whats to say he wouldnt look out of him within his original lifespan before the timemachine was invented, especially as he must have known that if left to his own devices he would eventually turn into a monster.
Still though i felt the child killed himself becuase he didnt want to graduate into a killer, not because he knew Cuba would look out for him. But i suppose if a film leaves you asking questions then it must have made some point of impact with the viewer and that can,t be bad thing necessarily can it?
Milo
i didnt think the child killed himself...i thought he fell off when his older self slapped him!?
Agree with Preecejon here.... I believe that IS what happened....
share
Fair do, must of been one hell of a slap ;)
Milo
Did you watch it at all? The older self was depicted as almost super-humanly strong throughout.
shareI just saw the film. In my opinion, the kid killed accidentally of his older self. But before he killed he saw how bad person will be in the future and how bad things he would do if he maked the time machine. So, he decided to change his behavior and not make the time machine.
So in his new life, having all these in his mind, he had a whole new character and behavior. Of course Cuba shouldn't remember anything of all that happened. This is a little "hole" in plot, but as he said: time travelling is a complicated thing.
I think is a good movie...
no i just decided to write a point of view about a film i have never seen!!
the last comment was more of a joke, i guess your sense of humour is outweighed by your ability to be an @rse!
I agree, but there still is a big hole in the plot as the child was seen later in the finishing sequence and that is wrong.
As seen from this timeline, there never was another timeline as if there was one he never would have met Lewis and he never would have invented a time machine.
What a piece of *beep* this plot was...
How often does Hollywood kill off children? Perhaps this was placed in the movie to satisfy some production house.
share
Yes, he fell off when his older self hit him.
This is my signature and I'm sticking to it. lol
I didn't really like the ending either would've been much better if Cuba got arrested for killing the kid... No plot hole, no Hollywood ending, a better film altogether.
A plot hole would exist in any case. The film ending assumes that, if the kid dies, he would not come from the future to kill his own mother, his original self would just become a normal kid, perhaps because the mother was able to get rehabilitated and become a good mother. Then he would not become a serial killer, probably not inventing a time machine.
But then, how would the serial killer exist in any reality, in the first place?
Thanks Dennsylvania for that X-Files episode name. That's the first thing I thought of when I realized it was a time traveling movie. X-Files season 4 episode "Synchrony". Anyway, I liked Deja Vu's ending as I think it made more sense. This movie's ending might have worked better if somehow Cuba met up with the kid at some point to make sure he didn't go bad. Otherwise, what was the point of Cuba remembering?
For me the big plot problem (besides Hicks remebering) is what basileux said about the fact that Future James is created from his original life, where mom isn't murdered. So the young boy we see at the end is still going to grow up and be the exact same Future James, right? The ending is just a big circle back to the beginning. It should have ended where Hicks kills the kid to prevent him from growing into the man he knows he will be (I know, harsh), or better yet takes him under his wing to help him not grow into the person he will become. How's that for a feel good Hollywood ending!
Something has to be different to stop future James from existing and starting the whole circle again. In fact in the final fight scene Future James says 'go ahead kill me, it changes nothing...he (young James) still becomes me". So the final scene when Hicks says 'a troubled boy never becomes a killer and he got a second chance" makes absolutely no sense because NOTHING CHANGES the original future James! I really hate this because other than the ending I didn't think the movie was THAT bad.
Unless I missed something important, in which case please enlighten me...
I think by letting himself know what he had become and letting himself make a choice (when he stabbed himself), he changed who he was. So the second time he grows up, he will be a different, better person.
shareWhen the boy died, he erased all the changes his time traveling older self made, which stopped his older self from being there. If his older self never traveled to the past, his younger self didn't die from falling off the building, therefore he's still alive.
But it's a major plot hole that Cuba's character remembers everything, cuz it never happened. It was erased. How can someone remember what didn't happen?
Also, it only erases the changes the time traveler made. So Cuba wouldn't be back with his wife and kid, he'd still be separated from them, and seeing his girlfriend, who is alive again.
And the kid wouldn't have a "perfect life", cuz the time traveler coming back to kill his mom never happened, so he'd still be living with his abusive junkie mom.
Terrible film, with too many plot hole, and requiring too much suspension of disbelief. Plus I saw it before, when it was the X-Files season 4 episode "Synchrony".
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Also, it only erases the changes the time traveler made. So Cuba wouldn't be back with his wife and kid, he'd still be separated from them, and seeing his girlfriend, who is alive again.
He could be with his wife and kid, because he remembered stuff, so he knew that his wife and he were separated because she apparently wanted him to take a teaching job. So in the end we see that he was moving back in home, because he must have told her he would stop the investigative work and take the teaching job.
And the kid wouldn't have a "perfect life", cuz the time traveler coming back to kill his mom never happened, so he'd still be living with his abusive junkie mom.
This part I can agree with you. If he still lived with his abusive junkie mom, then he still had a bad life. But maybe the boy remembered just as Cuba did, and decided not to pursue that dream later on.
This is my signature and I'm sticking to it. lol
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I think this movie wasn't that bad. Not a masterpiece but not a total disaster of a movie either.
It could be used as a paradygm of time travel paradoxes, actually.
The whole movie is a time paradox... when old James went back the first time, he killed his mom... THUS ACTUALLY CREATING HIMSELF, as if his mom wasn't killed he would not end up with the aunt, and then at the school etc... maybe his mom was bad but, as Polly says, "compared to his aunt, the mom was a saint" (sorry if that's not the exact quote, I watched it in Italian.
Anything that happened to the kid, including meeting the people he later would've killed, happened because he lost his mom, but that wouldn't have happened if future James had killed the mom.
As for Cuba's character remembering, well, that's just for the sake of the Hollywood ending. It would have been nice if time was rewound and the whole sequence of Hicks riding in his car had only music in the background, leaving it for us to guess.
Totally agree. Still watchable.
shareListen carefully. It's all about the mother....all about the mother....all about the mother.
She wasn't killed so he grew up an ordinary, if somewhat underpriveliged, boy. who was still mega-intelligent.
Confused?.....You will be.
Who is to say how far back Cuba went when the timeline re-set. The movie is ambiguous about that. Yes, he did remember everything, but what if Cuba went back all the way back to the date when the mother was murdered, and since he remembers everything, he could have been helping out the boy and mother through the years. Also, knowing what he knew, he wouldn't have messed up with his wife.
The end of the movie may have just continued with movie timeline of showing the next day.
Really, them movie left open ended.
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