You know, despite the fact that I respect all of what is being said here and understand it, I must personally say that at the moment, with an intense pressure and controversies that these discussions are carried out, as well as many truthful but disturbing contradictory statements (constantly mentioning MRAs, feminism, society's double standards etc etc etc) - well, I hate to say this, but as a result of all of this, I actually personally don't feel like having sex at all. Yes, even consensual one with anyone, for any reason.
(Yet notice how I still don't hold a grudge, right?)
I also notice how people here, and elsewhere, often unaware, keep stating how the world is not perfect, how there is no general consensus on what is right and what is wrong, how some people even say "Oh, I wouldn't mind it if Jennifer Aniston's character did it to me etc" whereas others contradict with words like "Women on male rape is still a gravely serious matter and it is disturbing that SOCIETY isn't taking it all serious etc".
(In historical times, say, many centuries ago, I heard this issue was even WORSE that proves even LESS how overall, say, civilized the world was, or how society was "homogeneous", with there being an overall agreement on what is right or wrong or even an "unforgivable offense", besides murder.)
By the way, when we are talking about society here, who do we mean?
Because on internet at least, the vast majority of people are very much AGAINST rape - or do you mean that there is this "silent majority" of people out there who think otherwise?
Also - has anyone ever wondered about the following?
On issue of female on male rape - why do women do it and how humiliating is this for men? More than that - if those same women were having sex with them, er, entirely consensually, what would be the differences here, in terms of feelings etc.
Granted I do agree its ALSO wrong, I also know that women can overpower men etc, just like I am aware how they may kill them and whatnot.
So in other words, besides rape being rape in this case as well, does anyone want to go into the details of how bad and how humiliating it is and why, and what can and should be done to stop it?
Also, forget about MRAs or feminism or whatever society thinks this and that etc. (And let's face it, even if none of it DID exist including victim blaming and whatnot, it would STILL be wrong AND a terrible thing, right, not to mention, one that people would prefer being illegal as well, correct?)
As a mere HUMAN BEING, how do you think female rapists of men should be punished and why?
If a woman did this to you, not to mention if it is a really gorgeous one who you may even be in love with or do it consensually on a regular basis, would you forgive her or kill her and why? And what if it wasn't violently forced on you but just accidental or having some elements of an 100% requirement missing? And would you do it because of how humiliated as a result you felt PERSONALLY or because this is how the law and civilized society dictates it to be? What if you DIDN'T even consider it rape - despite it being so, sort of like, you didn't consider her calling you a bad word insulting, or you didn't consider her borrowing your money stealing or you didn't consider eating a piece of bread bad because you didn't want it - but because someone made you?
(By the way, do you personally, see sex in and of itself, consensual of course, a good or a bad thing?)
Personally speaking, at the moment, I don't have an exact answer to this scenario.
But let me tell you that MOVIE-WISE at least, I have seen at least TWO FILMS which depicted instances where women raped men, and we were actually meant to feel sorry for them and forgive them DESPITE their deeds. One is David Lynch's "Blue Velvet" (1986) - where, SPOILERS ALERT, Isabella Rosselinni's character fellates Kyle MacLachlan's at knife point, and we know that in that film, she is a sympathetic victim and we were meant to empathize with her and even FORGIVE that deed, despite the fact that it WAS rape, female on male this time, but I never heard ANY member of the (let's face it - CIVILIZED) audience ever want either him or ANYONE to either punish or take violent revenge on her, not to mention, the horrible circumstances in which she herself is caught up in.
Another example I can think of is Alexander Jovy's 2000 strange weird, ravey and druggy flick "Sorted", which has a scene where that woman drugs and literally rapes the main character who is a male, and we as audience are also meant to forgive her for the deed as she seems to have a fate that resembles that of Isabella Rosselinni's character in Blue Velvet.
In neither of those cinematic cases have I seen that huge an outrage being unleashed at the two female characters who didn't ask for consent when performing sexual acts on unwilling male participants.
I am NOT disagreeing with anything you are saying, I am just EXTREMELY curious, and I dare say, a lot of these internet conversations and the ways in which they are carried out are putting emotional pressure on me. But maybe I am just losing an emotional ability to get a grip on these topics despite not disagreeing with a word that is said. And the constant mentioning of stuff like MRAs, feminism, victim blaming, society not thinking its bad and serious etc is, for me personally at least, a cherry on the cake for putting me off these discussions. I just find it so FRUSTRATINGLY CONFUSING, if you know what I mean.
Oh and on the last note, its somewhat different in real life than it is in a movie, right?
The greatest trick the Devil has ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist!
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