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Whose group was better: Dutch or Royce

posted 10 years ago by rahimtx77
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I for one one feel Dutch's group was better than Royce. On one hand you have a very well trained team from "Predator", and a bunch of good killers thrown together in "Predators" . It still bothers me though that Royce's team killed three of what the "Predators" movie describes as better killing Predators, and Dutch's team barely killed one of the lesser trained Predators. I always felt maybe Royce's team just got lucky, or thats just how the director wanted it. Thoughts?

[–] freemantle_uk 10 years ago

Dutch's group easily. Dutch's group were all a highly trained, well discipled team of special forces soldiers who were armed to the teeth. They were properly one of the toughest opponents the Predator could have faced at the time. Royce's group were a ragtag time who were thrown literally into an alien world and some of them were poorly equipped. Royale, Isabelle and Nikolai were trained soldiers but the others should have only lasted a few minutes in the environment.

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[–] rob-george 10 years ago

There is no comparison. Dutch's group by far. Royce was a frickin pansy compared to Dutch. The whole film of 'Predators' was just a pointless reboot / rehash of 'Predator' with little to no *beep* point in being made.

[–] jumiguel 10 years ago

Royce's group.

[–] dalibordimic1 9 years ago

Royce

[–] Second-II-None 9 years ago

Dutch had the better team

Royce's group are slack jawed *beep* in comparison

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[–] ragnarok918763 9 years ago

3 Predators, one of which was being straightout batsh*t insane, and either let his guard down during the swordfight, or was just being too damn honorable.

The Hanzo duel was just bloody retarded and any hardcore fanatic would know that NO super pred would follow the code of honor. So therefore, this fight was just being fvcking one-sided. Retarded showdown.

[–] Tayte 9 years ago

Royce's group was more successful. Dutch was the only one in his group to survive, and he only had to fight one of them. Royce and Isabelle both survived, and they were against three Predators.

I think Dutch's group.
If a director wants, he could make a team of Sam Witwiky, Austin Powers, Jack Sparrow, Mr Bean and Lassie 'the dog' defeat 7 predators but that does not mean *beep*

[–] mountaindewslave 9 years ago

'Royce's team was more successful"

you can't just take the # of survivors and use that as your argument with no context

Royce's team were DROPPED FROM PLANES after being kidnapped on an alien planet with weird creatures and knew almost immediately that they were being a) hunted and b) hunted by alien creatures

in the original Predator film Dutch's team are deployed for a real military mission and have regular combat against humans on Earth. because of this for almost the films ENTIRETY they are under the assumption they are just being attacked by other humans (which obviously put them at a massive disadvantage in terms of what to expect)

I will also mention that there were some incredible cop outs in "Predators" like the Russian guy having a mini nuke strapped to him (seriously?) and magicaly somehow the Japanese fellow winning a sword fight with another Predator

the reality is that the original group (Dutch's) were totally in the dark of what was hunting them

a hunter that gives you no clues and is extremely effective at killing and disappearing is obviously much better than a hunter that makes a splash and fails to do anything

its either a) that the Predator in the first movie was amazing or b) that the 3 Predators in the newer film were garbage tactically

one or the other

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[–] chinawhite252 9 years ago

Is that really a question? Dutch's was MUCH better. They worked together much better as they were trained.

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[–] ragnarok918763 9 years ago

Let's recap who did what damage to the Predator's throughout these movies.

PREDATOR - Dutch's group was definitely a hardened military special forces. But they didn't do $H!T against the Predator. They wipe out a guerilla gang, and establish MULTIPLE traps everywhere. Still nothing. Only TWO ever wounded the Pred: Mac and the leader himself. They were outfitted for human enemies, and were working as a proper unit, but couldn't even defeat (much less HURT) the extraterrastrial.

PREDATORS - A ragtag bunch of random killers/ criminals get thrown together and forced to work with each other to survive. You clearly see NUMEROUS hounds being killed at the first assault, and later on, Nikolai kills a Pred in a 'suicide-bomber' attack. Hanzo duels the second and somehow wins, whether it's due to the Pred being 'honourable' or straightoff underestimating him is left to your discretion. No matter, this was a bullcrap swordfight. Royce rigs Edwin with explosives, disorienting the third Pred, and uses the mud/ fire to camoflage himself, forcing the enemy to change tactics, but before he can finish it, Isabelle distracts it, allowing Royce to slash off its arm then decap it. You could argue that had Isabelle and Edwin been killed earlier, Royce probably wouldn't stand a chance. My point is, they worked together using whatever resources they had and eventually won the battle.

So in conclusion, Dutch had trained personnel but couldn't even do anything to harm the enemy. In contrary, Royce's gang was a LOT more hard-hitting, so they deserve some credit even though they were just strangers tossed into the situation they found themselves in.

[–] mountaindewslave 9 years ago

ragnorak you're not using your head

all of Royce's team knew within like 20 minutes of the film that they were not only being hunted but ALSO that they were being hunted by some sort of alien/monster things

if Dutch's group had any clue that they were being attacked by non humans then surely they would have handled the situation differently, but no one even is aware (truly aware) until like 3/4 of the way through the movie. after they're ON Earth and in a hot zone in terms of human combatants

also the Predator in the original film was infinitely better at hunting than the ones in the later film

it was constantly cloaked, covered its tracks, and used an array of long distance attacks to take out its opponents. the Predators in the more recent film do almost the exact opposite of all of these things! they don't hide themselves well, don't cloak that much, repeatedly act stupid and walk up to the humans and end up getting exploded or stabbed by a katana, etc. etc. etc.

sorry but the Jungle Predator in the first film made almost zero mistakes in its hunting. the predators in the new film seemed like amateurs

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[–] td_gwendy 9 years ago

Dutch's group, only because they were already a team to begin with and work well together. They are all well trained and have a great knowledge about traps. Royce's group had to fight through conflict within the group which made them less effective.

However, in Royce's group, most of them were more willing to sacrifice someone for the survival of the group, and they were also more informed with what they have to deal with (Isabelle knew about the Predators and what Dutch did in 87).

As for why Royce's group was able to kill three to Dutch's one, it was because of the type of Predators they fought. If you listen to Noland's explanation, there are two types of Predator: the bigger ones (like in the original) and the smaller ones (the ones they fought). There's a blood feud between the two Predator tribes because the bigger ones essentially kill off the smaller ones (reason why that big predator was tied to a post by the other three, this was tribal war).

It seems the bigger ones are the ones who are more "civilized" if you will, who have the warrior culture and a sense of honor, no matter how twisted (Predators in Predator 1, 2 and AVP 1 and 2). The bigger ones kill as a right of passage (which was the assumed reason why the Predator was dropped off to earth in '87), and do not harm the sick, injured, pregnant and unarmed (which was why Dutch kept Anna from being armed with any weapon, why it didn't kill that lady police officer in Predator 2, and why it didn't kill that sick guy in AVP 1 until provoked). The smaller ones kill for sport, hence why they abducted individuals from different planets whom they deemed a challenge to kill. There was no honor in that hunt: just pure twisted fun, which was why they toyed heavily with their preys in the first place. This also made them pretty careless, so it's not a stretch of imagination that Royce's team was able to kill three. I doubt they'd be able to kill three of those bigger Predators though, those guys are smarter, more cunning and definitely plan better :P

[–] harleydanaher 9 years ago

Dutch's group. I choose disciplined savagery over reckless abandon any day of the week. A group that had worked countless missions together and had that bond over a group of killers that had never worked together makes a massive difference.

[–] Dark_Sithlord 8 years ago

Dutch's group was superior to Royce's.

I think if Dutch and his group had been in Predators, with immediate knowledge of what they were up against, they would have fared way better than Royce's group in the same situation. Conversely, if Royce and his group had been in the same situation as Dutch in Predator, Royce's mottly group would have all been picked off without much of a fight.