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Why Max Payne 3 doesn't make any sense

posted 15 years ago by kress1
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Let's see what they managed to screw up in the development of Max Payne 3:

- No James McCaffrey.
James McCaffrey is not only the voice of Max Payne, he IS Max Payne. A large part of the reason why the Max Payne movie never really appealed to me is because Mark Wahlberg's voice is NOT the voice of Max Payne. As some have already stated, no McCaffrey for Max Payne is like no David Hayter voicing Solid Snake. Do you have any idea the kind of s**t-storm MGS fans would have raised if Hideo Kojima decided to use another voice actor for Snake? And yes, I'm sure Kiefer Sutherland can do a good job, but it won't be the voice of Max Payne. Sutherland does not have the deep, rough voice of McCaffrey. McCaffrey brought something truly unique to that voice that I don't believe any other voice actor can bring. McCaffrey gave Max Payne a deep, dark, brooding, introvert, hard-core voice that suited the character and his appearance perfectly. No James McCaffrey, no Max Payne!.

- No New York City.
Now, let me just state that NYC is not a must for a Max Payne game. Although it worked brilliantly in the first two games, I was always open to the possibility of introducing a new location, as long as they maintained the original atmosphere of the first two games. If the developers feel that they want a new location, they should at the very least make sure the place they choose is atmospheric and true to the Film-Noir spirit of Max Payne. Alternative locations instead of New York could have been Los Angeles (in winter), Chicago, Detroit, San Francisco, or Seattle. If they wanted to use a locale outside the United States (something that I wouldn't condone, but would be able to look past), they could have chosen Japan (Tokyo), China (Hong Kong), France (Paris), or similar locales. Instead the idiots chose sunny and bright Brazil. A location that doesn't make any sense whatsoever for a Max Payne game. I've heard arguments that New York is much safer than Rio de Janeiro, and because Rio is a much more violent city it would somehow make sense for a Max Payne game. Such nonsense. New York made perfect sense because for years the perception was and still is that NYC is a cold, dark, brooding, foreboding city that would make perfect sense for a Film-Noir setting. On the other hand, placing the game in sunny Rio is no different than placing it in Miami or the Caribbean. It simply doesn't make sense because it doesn't work with the spirit of the original games or the character.

- No Film-Noir setting/style.
Of all the changes made in Max Payne 3, this one hurts me the most. The Noir setting made the Max Payne franchise unique among other franchises and games. I mean, let's be honest. How many other games out there utilize a Noir style as beautifully as the Max Payne games did? None. Part of the beauty of Max Payne was the games' ability to transform you into a past era of Film-Noir while keeping the game grounded in more modern constructs. The Noir setting and style is an immeasurable part of what made the franchise unique, different and just plain brilliant. The location, the atmosphere, the characters, the comic book model, the brilliant script, all of these were brought together by a dark and cold Noir style/setting that made you want to come back to it, no matter how many times you've experienced and completed the game.

- No Max Payne look/appearance.
How stupid can they be? Only 12 years after the events of Max Payne 2 and they made Max look like a trailer trash bum. A bald, fat bum. He now has plenty of facial hair, tattoos, and... oh goody, he's into the wife-beater fashion! They made Max look like one of those cupboard cutouts you see in the GTA games. Completely generic, completely silly, and completely unlike Max Payne. I don't know who this character is, but for all intents and purposes, that "guy" is NOT Max Payne!

- No Remedy/Sam Lake.
Remedy created magic with Max Payne 1 & 2, they won't be developing Max Payne 3. Instead, some unknowns at RockStar Vancouver are developing this. RSV's only developing credit so far is the game Bully, a fairly mediocre console Action-Adventure. Now that's not to say that RSV is going to screw it up completely, but the game will not have the commitment and the heart and soul that Remedy put into this franchise. To add insult to injury, Sam Lake, the brilliant writer of Max Payne 1 & 2 is not joining this project. Suffice it to say, this is a huge loss to the series and will no doubt be very detrimental to Max Payne 3. We can pretty much expect a significantly inferior script and weaker writing quality for this game which will mean a dumbed down, simplified plot and character development.

- No PC controls/interface/game mechanics.
Make no mistake about it, this game is primarily developed from the ground up as a CONSOLE game, not as a PC game. We can expect simplistic, arcadish, GTA style controls with a crappy Cover System, no Bullet-Time and the interface and game mechanics will have to be severely dumbed down and simplified. This will feel like a console game and it will play like one, to the detriment of this game and the franchise's fans.

- Plot is extremely problematic and doesn't make much sense.
So, let's get this straight. Max Payne has allowed himself to become bald, overweight, alcoholic, to grow all this facial hair, to look like a common bum freakazoid? Sorry, but I don't buy it for one second. Max Payne was the kind of character who would put a bullet through his brain and commit suicide before he would allow himself to deteriorate like that. Oh, no question. Max Payne has had and still does have severe mental problems that were brought on by the brutal murder of his wife and child, but at least according to the ending of Max Payne 2, he seems at peace for the first time. To quote Max at the end of MP2: "I had a dream of my wife. She was dead. But it was all right." Max seems to finally accept the death of his wife and presumably the death of his child as well. This is the very last line of Max Payne 2 and it at least gives the appearance that Max has allowed himself to find peace and to leave his past behind and move on. Now, in Max Payne 3, we suddenly learn that he is worse than ever before. An alcoholic, heavily addicted to painkillers and looking like a freak. I'm sorry, but this simply does not sit well at all with the ending of Max Payne 2. Also, what the hell is Max doing in Brazil? Brazil is a long way from New York City, long way from his life, his work, his home. What is he supposed to do in Brazil and how does it all connect with his past in NYC? And what about Mona Sax? She is an integral part of the series and it seems that not only will she not be a playable character, but will not show up in the game at all. A lot of questions remain regarding the direction the story is heading, but right now I'm suspicious of the developer's ability to competently put it all together.

[–] swede123 13 years ago

I agree almost all your points, and seeing as these are really the main points of the entire Max Payne series, I can't believe they are going to screw up a classic like this. The two first games are two of my all time favorite games, and many others feel the same, and here they are going to throw it all down the console den of shlt.

Lets all support Alan Wake instead, which is in a sense, the true successor to the Max Payne series.

[–] concrete_door 13 years ago

update.. James McCaffrey is now cast as max payne in max payne 3 and sam lake is back.

the *beep* flock togather

[–] me_ralf_6 13 years ago

Oh, man. I couldn't agree more. I'm a huge Max Payne fan who kept playing the first two games all over again more than 5 times. Everytime I play one of those games, it's like I'm playing them for the first time. I adore the atmosphere, the characters, the story... I'm still asking myself: 'How could Rockstar Games, who went so right with the first two, go so wrong with the third Max Payne. Max Payne 2 really felt like a continuity to the original, this one on the other hand, I really have no idea what to say to you. Rockstar makes some amazing games. I literally love every game they make but what they did to Max Payne is inexcusable. Like you, I saw some stills and the new Max and hated them. When I first heard they're continuing Max's story I was filled with excitement but now I'm just sad and disappointed. They say a trailer comes out next week, I'm gonna have to wait and see. But some stills were released at the beginning of this year featuring the old Max in the 3rd game. I don't know if we'll only get to play with the old character in only a couple of flashbacks or more frequently in the game but since the story is set in Rio De Janeiro, the new 'bald' Max Payne is the main character.

Those are a couple of stills showing the Max Payne we know:

http://www.jeuxvideo24.com/screens/pc/7641/large/screenshots/257635_ma x-payne-3.jpg

http://img.jeuxvideo.fr/photo/04561094-photo-max-payne-3.jpg

http://gamingshed.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/maxpayne3window.jpg

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[–] asgard-5 13 years ago

This looks like an equivalent to bad straight to video sequel of a major blockbuster. OR a discarded storyline for GTA4. Still, if it runs I'll play it.

have a nice life!

[–] betadron 13 years ago

total ack with OP - this "sequel" will blow big time. Not going to support this crap since the first teasers and trailers already insulted my eyes and ears enough. Unfortunately, lots of console kiddos will still buy this game. Aarrrgh.

[–] xthe_shiznitx 13 years ago

If I recall correctly Alfred Woden is still alive, he faked his own death to escape getting killed by Vladimir and Max took a tape of Alfred doing illegal activities so that he could blackmail Woden to help him get out of jail and whatnot. As for Mona Sax, most likely she is dead because her twin sister is dead and they were both daughters of the dead italian mob boss in the first game, however she could survive because Max Payne survived getting shot in the head.

[–] Robert_Scott 13 years ago

I think we can all relax because James McCaffrey is voicing Max Payne After all. This game is going to be good

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[–] fergisimo 13 years ago

What the *beep*? Were the details not available back in 2009 or is the OP just an idiot? McCaffrey IS coming back for part 3 and Sam Lake IS writing it...

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[–] betadron 13 years ago

Sam Lake and the rest of the original developer team have absolutely NOTHING to do with MP3. IF they did this game would rock. IF...

In my eyes, doing a new Max Payne game makes as much sense as filming Shawshank Redemption 2.

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[–] xthe_shiznitx 13 years ago

Yet this outing appears to be a journey through bright tropical sunlight.

[–] punkyper 12 years ago

Not to bash on the OP, since this was written a long time ago, almost every issue raised has been contradicted by Rockstar, so don't worry too much.

[–] jun19fan40 12 years ago

BS it has. The game is disgusting. Playing through Max Payne 2 was one of the best experience of my life. When he gets shot in the head at the end but keeps going, its like I died and went to Noir heaven. The game looks good, its just not Max Payne. They do it all the time now. Its marketing, which destroys creativity.

[–] punkyper 12 years ago

You may think so, but it doesn't change the fact that almost everything said by the op has been contradicted by now.

James McCaffrey is still the voice os Max.

New your city IS in the game.

The lack of Noir/filmsetting is probably a little too early to critize, but again, NY is in the game, and the comic strips are also part of the narrative.

Max Payne look/appearence. All I can say really, is that people's appearence changes as they age, and Max doesn't cut his hair until he moves to Brazil where he I think screws up or something.

Yes Rockstar has gotten help from remedy, and remedy has also stated that the game looked great.

No PC controls/interface/game mechanics. This I don't get at all. I would like to know why the op thinks that the game is going to change that drastically. Cover shooter? No it's not going to be a cover shooter, and nothing has ever pointed to that fact that it was going to be one. There is a cover mechanic, but it can only be used in dire situations, and if you keep hideng there too long, the enemies will flank and kille you, unlike actual cover shooters. And there will also be bullet time. Why wouldn't there be. The Pc version will be delayed to weeks so that it will work properly unilke a silly port.

Plot doesn't make sense? Again I think we should wait and see. As of now they haven't really giving that much away other than max is supposed to save a kidnapped girl, as he works in private protection or something.

I really don't understand why people are so angry that the series are changing a little bit. Why do you want so desperatly to hold on to what you are familiar with, instead of seeing the series grow and evolve. If Max Payne 3 was exactly like the first two, just with current graphics, we would have *beep* COD which no game needs to be like.

[–] MaxPaynefan187 12 years ago

Exactly,thank you for your insight. I am sick and tired of people bashing this game when it hasnt even come out yet. Yes,I know its a departure from the series format,but it's STILL a sequel. So what if its not being made by Remedy, Rockstar has their approval, so they are doing a great job. People are so stupid to talk honestly, its why there are so many trolls now these days. Its going to be amazing. If anyone hasnt seen the new trailer, I advise you do. The graphics on it stunned me, it looks absolutely gorgous, and its still going to be a dark and twisted game. Reminds of the first game a lot.

[–] costass-3 12 years ago

I agree with the op. No matter that the post is old. The game will not be as much as dark and the plot will be flat that's sure. Look at the trailer. Max Payne saving a girl? What is that ? A B-movie from the 80's had a better plot. The game will be oriented for console yes, so hard core gamers will hate it. You should cover , after cover at wall to wall and you will heal automatically like most of the todays game that is pure BS. Max Payne is not him anymore. all look of the game just don't make any sense. I don't care if they change look of Max Payne or locations, the game just look not like thriller and depressive movie, is look like a low budget movie from the 80's this sucks. I didn't say will be bad. But I have bad feeling about this game.

:-s

[–] TheBearisHERE 12 years ago

I also have a bad feeling about MP3... But we will only be able to fully rate it after we play the final version; glimpses can often be misleading and not do justice to the end product.

[–] punkyper 12 years ago

How do you know that you will heal automatically? I remember in one of those tech and design videos, that Max takes a painkiller to regain health. I have also heard one of the devs mention painkillers are in the game. Also how do you know the game will be oriented for console? I haven't heard any rumors from reliable sourced stating that. And As far as a cover shootter, Rockstar has said time and time again that they wanted to preserve the old Max Payne feel, which includes gameplay heavily relying on run and gun. Have you actually heard any of those rumors you speak of, or are you just speculating as widly as the op was?

[–] jun19fan40 12 years ago

Marketing. Health and real 3rd person shooting is dead.

[–] punkyper 12 years ago

IGN has just stated in an article that there will be no regenerating health in Max Payne 3. But ofc they wouldn't know better than all of you fans who have a "feeling about this game".

[–] Johnator 12 years ago

I do agree about his look. He does look kind of stupid for MP3. A fat, bald hobo in a Hawaiian shirt in Brazil? Seriously?

[–] MaxPaynefan187 12 years ago

He has aged,and due to his addiction to alcohol and painkillers,hes grown a beer belly. How can anyone not understand. He STILL has the look from the second game in the New York Levels, but beyond thaat,hes still the same person.Yeah his appearance is radical and different,but its understadable. As far as him being bald, Sam Lake talked about hot it was a pivotal moment in the game and its really understandable in nature. People are so quick to judge without looking into the product. If people spent more time finding out information about this game and then wait until they have played it before judging it, then there would be no problems or any dissatisfaction from it.

[–] TheBearisHERE 12 years ago

A fat, bald hobo in a Hawaiian shirt in Brazil

I wouldn't really say he looks fat, but everything else, it could indeed be. ;)

[–] remotly_insane 12 years ago

Anyone who claims that this game isn't a Max Payne game is a goddamned idiot. Sure, the setting is different, Max looks different. But setting and looks has absolutely NOTHING to do with the concept of noir. Study up before you go flapping your jaws about how much it's going to suck, and just wait until next week before you form a premature opinion.

Worth killing for. Worth dying for. Worth going to hell for.

[–] PvtJokerWantsPeace 12 years ago

Good morning.... and in case I don't see ya.... Good afternoon Good evening and Good night

[–] PvtJokerWantsPeace 12 years ago

the best experience of your life was playing a video game?

Good morning.... and in case I don't see ya.... Good afternoon Good evening and Good night

[–] bigBang8 12 years ago

Good thing the 2nd from the bottom didn't check out, i could care fkin less for all else. Never played max gayne 1 and 2 and never will. Too oldskool for spoiled guy like me.

[–] king_of_bob 12 years ago

No James McCaffrey.

Yes, James McCaffrey. He does the voice for Max in this game just like the previous 2.

No New York City.

Also false. The game takes place primarily in Brazil, but like Max Payne 2, there are flashback sequences which do take place in New York.

No Film-Noir setting/style.

What exactly is a film noir setting?

This is a "stylish crime drama." So how is it not film noir style?

No Max Payne look/appearance.

You really should have played the game first. Max looks like Max, only older. I don't know if you've ever been to Brazil, but a black leather trench coat is not exactly comfortable in the tropical sun.

No Remedy/Sam Lake.

That's like saying Aliens is garbage because it was written by someone other than the writer of the original.

No PC controls/interface/game mechanics.

This argument is idiotic. If you've ever played Max Payne 1 and 2 they have incredibly simple controls. You could play the entire game with 2 mouse buttons, a scroll wheel and 5 buttons on the keyboard(4 of which are movement controls). This complaint seems to suggest you haven't even played the previous 2 games.

And where did you get the idea that there would be no bullet time?

Plot is extremely problematic and doesn't make much sense.

You kind of ramble on here for awhile so I'll respond point by point:
1) Max would be in his 50s by the time Max Payne 3 takes place. It's not exactly hard to believe a hard drinking pill popping former cop would gain weight. I don't know if you're aware, but people don't look the same from puberty to death.

Max was going downhill in Max Payne 2, so it only makes sense for his downward spiral to get worse years after that game takes place.

2) Accepting the deaths of your wife and child doesn't mean you're over it. And he is not worse than ever before in Max 3. He hardly mentions his wife's death aside from off hand references to not being able to save people who need him. He has other issues at this point in his life. Namely that the people around him seem to drop like flies.

3) What exactly made you think he would stop drinking or taking painkillers? These are addictions. They came after the death of his wife and child, but accepting their deaths doesn't mean he's suddenly free of addiction. He still has nothing, and the woman he loved(Mona) is dead. Why would he suddenly move on and be happy with his life. Further, what does he have to be happy about?

4) If you had played the game before making this post, you would know his reason for being in Brazil. He was recruited by a supposed friend who was at the academy with Max, to be a private security guard.

5) Did you not play Max Payne 2? Mona is dead.

Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!

[–] MistahWhippy 12 years ago

I guess it was kind of hard for him to play the game first seeing as he made the post in 2009.

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he didn't exist."

[–] king_of_bob 12 years ago

My point was, his "review" makes infinitely less sense than the game he claims makes no sense. Why? Because most of his "review" was based on very early information that turned out to be wrong in the end.

Not only that, but one of his "points" seem to indicate that the OP had never played the original two games. When he mentions controls he slams the game because it will have "simple controls." After playing Max 3, the control scheme is much more complex than it was in either of the previous two titles.

This thread is a perfect example of why people shouldn't pass judgement before they've tried something.

Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!

[–] Littlebitsofgaming 12 years ago

That's like saying Aliens is garbage because it was written by someone other than the writer of the original.

Which is true.

Jesus loves me, but I'm worried about the age gap.

[–] king_of_bob 12 years ago

That's funny, because most would disagree. It may not live up to the original, but it's pretty far from garbage.

Prof. Farnsworth: Oh. A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-My-Own-Grandpa!

[–] user-397-776097 12 years ago

Given all your misgivings, did you enjoy the game, now that it's out? At the end of the day it's Rockstar, they know what they're doing and I think they did a damn good job.

[–] Vdcnsrg 12 years ago

LOL, he didn't get a single point right. He was completely wrong.

[–] shadyvsesham 11 years ago

TO King of Bob.
You said...in number 5..

"5) Did you not play Max Payne 2? Mona is dead."

Now I ask you, did YOU not play Max Payne 2 in its hardest difficulty? Mona lived.

When I beat a game, on the hardest difficulty, usually, wouldnt that be the true ending, the ending ONE gets when beating a game on the hardest setting?

JS, dont say "Did you not play 2, Mona is dead.

Maybe he just beat the game on the hardest difficulty and got Mona lived ending....js. I think the game would have been better with someone from 2 living, whether it was Mona or Bravura.

Personally, hated this story and in the end, I feel they failed. JUST imho! And I hope you dont take this disrespectful, wasnt my intention, IM js if you beat MP2 on the hardest setting, you shall see Mona didnt die...js.

[–] MaxPaynefan187 11 years ago

I am honestly starting to wonder if you are an actual fan of the series or just a regular troll. No, beating a game on the hardest difficulty with a different ending doesnt mean its the true ending. Only an idiot can ever believe that. Its called an alternate ending for a reason. If we were to apply your logic, then after playing through and watching every game and movie the first time and then watching a second viewing with an alternate ending to it,then we would all have to conisder the second viewing as the TRUE experience and the TRUE ending of the movie or game. Thats just bullsh!t in my opinion.

For reasons that I have already stated, Mona living is and always will be just what it was intended for: an alternate ending to the game. No the true or canon ending of the game. So dont come on here and correct someone for saying that Mona is dead when in fact, SHE IS.

[–] shadyvsesham 11 years ago

Im starting to wonder if you work for Rockstar. You wanna praise this game and pretend it is a masterpiece, when it isnt. Max Payne 1-2 were good games, 3 was pure and utter trash. If you feel this is a masterpiece, seriously, you need to go play TRUE masterpiece game.

Only an idiot would think this game is a masterpiece. Seriously, you wanna throw insults, I can do that too. Not that hard. Only an idiot would think Sam would have went this direction.

You cant tell someone WHICH is a true ending for a game. Yes, beating a game on the hardest difficulty a lot of times does mean it is the true ending. Dont blame me because you cant beat games on hard mode, dont take your aggression out on me

I was a fan of this series, I own Max Payne 1-2, this dropped the ball.
You need to realize, again, not everyone is gonna kiss Rockstars ass. So, because I didnt like this game, Im a troll? Fantastic logic. "You dont think like I do, YOU MUST LIKE THIS GAME, if not, youre a troll, derpity derp."

Only an idiot would think with this logic. Someone can be a fan of the zelda series, and hate Zelda 2. Someone can be a fan of the Resident Evil series, and hate Resident Evil 5. Someone can be a fan of the Silent Hill series and think 4 was garbage. Someone can be a huge fan of Mario, and hate Mario 2.

Dont tell me your logic is better than mine. Just because we think differently doesnt make your view or my view better. Stop acting like your views are superiors to others, and if you wanna continue this, cut out the insults, because I can be just as immature as that, but I hate flame wars. You seem to wanna attack me because I dont share your view of this game being a "masterpiece."

I can correct someone for saying Mona is dead, and I stand by that correction. Dont tell me what to do. Just because you and Dan went with the Mona is "dead" ending, doesnt mean that is the direction Sam might have taken.

Could he have, of course, definitely, and I still would have disagreed with that view. But you cant tell someone which is a true ending for a game. Even if a game goes that direction, people can still feel and think that was the wrong direction. That is allowed. If you cant respect others opinions, and accept people felt this game was garbage, than I really would advice you not to come here. I can accept and am really glad you enjoyed this game, Im glad people loved it, but you gotta accept me, and others, didnt like it.

[–] MaxPaynefan187 11 years ago

Oh I work for Rockstar now do I? and I am an idiot for thinking this game is a masterpiece? and you think I didnt beat the game on the hardest difficulty?

Dude, unless you havent noticed my ustername, you dont know sh!t about me. You must be the most ignorant person I have ever met. I have beat both the first two games many times on all difficulties. Have you ever beaten it on new york minute? I am pretty sure you havent. I have beaten MP2 on DOA mode and I have seen the ending and I still think it isnt and it isnt the real ending. You're pathetic man, really you take your aggression out for no reason just cause I am proving your reasoning is invalid, because only an idiot would think the ending where Mona lived is the real ending.

I dont work for Rockstar, and even if I did, I would have made MP3 the same way Rockstar made it, because it was an amazing game, period. Check Metacritic, and many other review sites around who have all given it a great rating. Even on imdb it stands as a 9. Your logic is flawed and stupid, so dont try to down to talk about mine.

No, I have nothing against people forming their own opinion. I know people didnt like the game, I am notclueless. But your reasoning for not liking it is flawed and thats the issue I have with your comments. Mona is dead, unless like I said you're a witch doctor who majically wants every character to come back from the dead just so they can die again for the sake of a mp game, you need to accept the fact shes dead.

[–] shadyvsesham 11 years ago

Awww,someone is mad because they didnt like the game. Haha, hilarious bro.

You dont know me either. And? What, you get your opinions from IMDB and Metacritic now!? WOW, congrats, you officially cant think for yourself.

So, youve never had a movie you didnt like while others thought was a masterpiece. Congrats, youre officially someone who goes along with the crowd, good for you.

Ill meanwhile continue to say if I dont like something. You can continue following the crowd and praise rockstar, good job. I see your username, and youre a Max Payne fan, true and true. I believe if Rockstar made a MP game on Max taking a *beep* youd said it was a masterpiece.

You do seem like you work for Rockstar, LOOK AT YOUR SN! You wonder why I wonder this? Magically, they could have went 2 directions. I didnt enjoy the direction they went, deal.
Now I havent beaten the game in NYM!? Wow, what an awesome assumption.

Youre not proving anything, just like how IM not proving anything. This is all opinions, you cant PROVE an opinion.
I promise if I came on here saying I loved the game, youd be all,"Man, i agree, youre super duper smart, derpity doo."

Understand, you cant prove an opinion. All we are doing is arguing about a game, Im not even mad, I just didnt like you calling me an idiot, so yes, I replied rudely back. If you see in other posts, when you talk to me like an adult and a person, I didnt reply back rudely. To get respect, you gotta give it. I dont think youre an idiot, you enjoyed a game, ok, great. So Im an idiot because I didnt enjoy the direction this game went?

Jesus, if you get this mad over gaming discussion Id hate to have a religion or politics discussion with ya my friend!

Also, please show me where In Max Payne 3 it says,"Mona is dead," THAT is my issue. Max mentioned Mona once, graveyard scene. Rockstar could have atleast had balls and did a recap explaining what happened. You dont see how that can be confusing?

You wanna continue calling me names, go right for it. But for you to tell me check IMDB and Metacritic to prove your point does nothing to impress me. It just shows you cant back up your claims without needing help from sites.

If you can honestly tell me YOUVE never disliked a movie or a game that got good scores on sites, I trully trully have to think you cant think for your own. Please,please tell me Im wrong, Im beggin to be wrong here.

[–] MaxPaynefan187 11 years ago

Now you're just being the obvious troll which I wont feed. You dont like the game, fine. Voicing your opinion and think its utter trash just for stupid reasoning for thinking Mona is alive and Bravura is stupid. They were both dead, the comics supported the idea of them dieing loud and clear. Rockstar didnt need to follow your so called idea for a sequel or lack there of. They didnt do it for the money, they made Max Payne 3 for the fans. I am not going to say you're not a fan or juge your fanship of the series, but for someone who really likes Max Payne as they claim they do really believe Max Payne 3 wasnt worth it, then they would obviously voice their opinion to a much higher audience rather than go to IMDB and make himself look like an obvious troll. I dont go with the crowd, I go for my own opinion, and for you to come on here and try to judge me for spouting my opinion of the game is digraceful. I just attacked your reasoning for not liking the game, and I still think you're wrong. But whatever to each there own.

Oh I can think for myself, I hate cod, I hate Lord of the Rings, and I dont and never will play an rpg game. Is that going along with the crowd sir? Yeah I dont think so.

[–] shadyvsesham 11 years ago

See, now Im a troll? Look at my other posts, when youre respectful, Im respectful. When you call me an idiot or ignorant, Im suppose to show you respect? Again, you gotta give me respect, and Ill damn sure give it back. Youre the one who called me an idiot first, because I think differently. Now, when you talk to me reasonable, Im reasonable back. Youre the one who started this, not me.

See, now I can do what you did to me.

"But Lord of the Rings is on the IMDB top 250 list...so youre reasoning is stupid," or,"Final Fantasy games are awesome. FF7 is one of the main reasons PS1 crushed N64, and YOU didnt play that masterpiece!?"
See how that doesnt work?

It is okay to hate Lord of the rings. (I HATE STAR WARS...I SAID IT!). There is nothing wrong for thinking for yourself, that is good, but dont throw a metacritic or imdb score at me!

I never said Bravura is stupid. I said killing them both off is. This is simply my opinion, and that is alright, just how you feel killing them all off is a better idea, that is okay too. Again, the comics, why the blue hell do I gotta read a comic to understand Max Payne 3. Max Payne 1-2 didnt make me read comics and I got the story perfectly fine. Yes, they did it for the money, did you know that companies make games, NOT for fans but money. You really think companies make games for fans!? Believe it or not, they make it for cash. If you really think gaming companies are making games for fan service, idk what to tell you. If a game company thinks their is a profit to be made, the game will be made. So no, they didnt make MP3 for the fans, they made it for a quick buck, which you gave them.

Dude, I dont care that much bout this game, I enjoy IMDB and discussing stuff, what am I suppose to do, go on air or on the radio and discuss why I disliked a game or make a youtube video of why I didnt like it!? Why, so i can help Rockstars sales? Any press = good press. I never judged you, YOUVE been judging me, what youre saying IM doing is EXACTLY WHAT YOURE DOING. So youre being just as disgraceful man. Go read your posts, youve done a lot more than what I did. In every post how my reasoning is and logic is flawed, how Im an idiot, etc etc. So dont act all high and mighty when youve done it x 5. So ill use your words against you.

"I dont go with the crowd, I go for my own opinion, and for you to come on here and try to judge me for spouting my opinion of the game is digraceful."

No, you did more than attack me for not liking the game. I feel youve been very disrespectful on why I disliked it. I wanted to have a reasonable chat to this game, and if I wasnt a MP fan, would I really come here!? Seriously? Come on now.

In the end, Im not a troll in the slightest. Im simply saying why I dont like a game. Graphics were gorgeous. The gameplay was ok. The story was trash. I never liked any of the characters in this game. I didnt find Max in the slightest a likeable guy. He got on my nerves honestly. I didnt enjoy the setting either.

[–] MaxPaynefan187 11 years ago

Oh and making fun of me,saying I am part of the crowd just cause I am proving to you that people did enjoy this game and have stated that the story is great is alright? No, it isnt. And they shouldnt have to have done the previously on Max Payne thing like they did in MP2, would it have been useful? sure. But they dont need to. They already said before the game released the comic book style cutscenes were gone, so as a throwback and as a way to set up they story they made the comic, which was fitting since the series was always told in comic book style. You dont care for it, fine but you have to realize it was a game that was about what happened to Max 8 years on, not what happened in those 8 years.

I already told you what I have to say in my other posts, I am tired of arguing with you.

[–] shadyvsesham 11 years ago

And they shouldnt have to have done the previously on Max Payne thing like they did in MP2, would it have been useful? sure.

There you go. DUH it be useful, the average gamer wont even know about the comics.

Dont even go into making fun, when youve called me ignorant, an idiot, and arrogant in posts. Ive said it once ill say it again, you show me respect and you show me that you appreciate my opinion, and Ill return the favor.

Just because you found this to be a masterpiece, others did not. You gotta accept that.

Im not even arguing, you want me to like this game so bad, I DONT CARE you liked it, Im honestly glad, but you seem so angry I didnt, and idk why. Im not arguing at all, Im saying I felt this story blew compared to 1-2, you seem to be the one wanting me to like this story so badly. Trust me when I say im not the only one who felt this felt GTA-ish and not Max Payne-ish.

[–] MaxPaynefan187 11 years ago

It was free and you could download it easily at no cost, its not much of a convienience if it was tied into the game somehow. I enjoyed the comics cause it was better that way, Rockstar wasnt going to do that and they wanted to still makre sure they set up the game somehow. No, it wasnt in game, but thats okay,nothing wrong with that.

Like I said, yeah I know people didnt and I know clearly you didnt. I dont care if you didnt like the game either, I was just attacking the reason why you didnt like it or said you didnt like it in the first place.

[–] shadyvsesham 11 years ago

Ok, this post-opinion I can clearly respect.

I just disagree with this statement,"I enjoyed the comics cause it was better that way."

I feel differently. I feel they could have easily put these comics in the game for people to read or easily give us a 2 minute previously on Max Payne. I really dont think Im asking for too much, am I? 2 minutes, idk if Im asking for a lot, if it seems I am, sorry.

But, on a side note, the comics were better then the game MP3. Again, I am glad you enjoyed this game, I dont want everyone to hate something I do!

[–] MaxPaynefan187 11 years ago

If you say the comics were better than the game, then again you have lost credibility. They dont need to do a 2 minute recap. They have done many interviews prior to the game's release in which they talked about Max and how he 8 years after MP2. The comic just reinforced that. Its better as a comic, it allows people to fill in the gaps for themselves rather than just being told what happened "just cause"

[–] shadyvsesham 11 years ago

The comics were better than the game, DOESNT mean I LIKED the comics, Im js the comics were better. Stop trying to make anything credible. That is like me saying you lost credibility because you dont like rpgs and only know one style games. I can say you lost credibility because of your screen name and no matter what Rockstar did, youd like it. Look at your sn, youd love any Max Payne game.

So stop with the credible crap. I didnt like the game. I feel they did need to do a 2 minute recap, stop saying,"They dont need too.." FINE, I got your opinion and RESPECT IT, but you cant respect the opinion in where I feel they did. The average gamer wont even know about the comics.

They could make the comic and give people a 2 minute recap of that comic.

[–] MaxPaynefan187 11 years ago

Uhm no, I love the series, ever since I was little Ive been playing the games. I play many other third person, first person and other shooters, not to mention sports, racing, and action games. And its true, you lost credibility for liking a stupid love franchise. I dont need to respect it when you're being a troll now, and commenting on ever single MP post that I have. They dont need to do a *beep* they did that with the comic that the published and it was just as fine. Its over with.

[–] Dross_Rotzank 10 years ago

As a Max Payne fan, and as someone who recently finished Max Payne 3, I'm going to have to agree with MaxPaynefan187 here.

I'm sorry shadyvsesham, but you are an idiot.

The naysayers were all shut up splendidly. This is a wonderful game. And definitely Max Payne's most difficult, most lethal and darkest adventure yet.