Never forget what prompted their declaration of war

"It's easy to dramatize the lives of a few terrorist individuals, not so easy to dramatize a terrorizing government "

Yeah, this is all well and good until you realize that Ayers and the Weather underground had a perpetual hard-on for the totalitarian dogma of Marxism, the dictatorships that espoused it, and the millions upon millions of murders committed in it's name. But then again, it seems clear you share in their revelry of oppression and genocide.

For *beep*'s sake, Ayers wanted to utilize concentration camps.

What a load of revisionist crap.

The US didn't start the war in Vietnam, North Vietnam did. So that 400,000 figure you use is terrible, I agree. Why do you absolve North Vietnam of blame for the war they started?

Creating an American heroin plague... so utterly paranoid it's laughable. And 60's leftists did nothing to legitimize drug use, did they? Were they the CIA too?

This is what terrifies me about the American left: they legitimize anything to justify their ideology. No murder, bombing or famine is without excuse.

"I've seen things that would make you want to write a book on how to puke."

Agreed, except the numbers are up near 4 million dead SE Asians. Actually the term "vietnam war" is propaganda itself, its was the total decimation of Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, in which US used chemical weapons with after effects that spiked infant mortality rates and deformities for decades after. And then of course the atrocities in Indonesia and East Timor which Henry Kissinger had no problem funding, taking place for decades before and after.

Anybody remember (or care) that we were there to clean up the mess left behind by the French after Japanese were given all of Indo-China as it was called courtesy of Vichy France, then gave it back to de Gaulle's France after WWII. Dien Bien Phu ring any bells?? Long time French colony before WWII. Britain left her colonies in Asia free after WWII but France refused to grant "Indo-China" independence. Ho chi Minh turned to US for help first and was denied. America had little to do with the overall picture, just happened to be last in long time mess. Soviets had ground troops or "advisors" and pilots who definitely fought.
Read your history.

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I would welcome reading intelligent conversation regarding this subject, however sadly, very few people seem to have an understanding of how that works, these days. Those who were protesting the war and asking to bring our military home were hoping for PEACE and INTELLIGENT communication between all involved in the war in Vietnam (which had a far larger agenda than bringing peace to the Vietnamese people). No one seemed able to bring anything intelligent to the conversation when they could not even figure out what SHAPE the TABLE should be!

Everyone had, and still has, an agenda. It's the way of the world. We do not see things as they are, we see things as WE are.

All we STILL do is bicker and uselessly shout ridiculous names at each other. Evidently we've learned nothing from our history, and THAT is the crux of our problem. We've never learned to LISTEN to and COOPERATE with each other, and all I can say is: That's SAD.

Children scream at each other. We're still throwing sand at each other, from our own little private part of the sandbox we live in. Where is respect and understanding? Where is dignity?

All this energy uselessly expended - and we still can't create something POSITIVE. Unless we learn to work with each other, none of these problems we see in our society will EVER be solved.

And still no one is listening.

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