What no female giants???


WHERE WAS THE FEMALE GIANTS? Did the giants produce offspring via asexual reproductions?

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Goes to show you that Male is still accepted as the default gender.

As outdated as it may seem, this movie also apparently reinforces the notion that females shouldn't be big, strong and "unshapely". Given how hypercritical of the female form we've become, it may well be that female giants are well-nigh unrepresentable: they wouldn't fit the mold of the glam anorexic hero (the type Angelina Jolie plays).

ETA: I've since done a google image search on "female giant" and "giantess" and am shocked by what I've seen. Most of the depictions are of hypersexualized, big-boobed women with attractive faces and hourglass figures. A substantial number of the images are borderline obscene.

How does the West have the nerve to portray itself to the Islamic world as the champion of women's equality and dignity? We may have come along way, but it's obvious to me that in some respects we've taken a few steps back; there's no doubt in my mind that we still have a long road ahead of us before gender equality becomes a reality.

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I've since done a google image search on "female giant" and "giantess" and am shocked by what I've seen. Most of the depictions are of hypersexualized, big-boobed women with attractive faces and hourglass figures. A substantial number of the images are borderline obscene.

How does the West have the nerve to portray itself to the Islamic world as the champion of women's equality and dignity? We may have come along way, but it's obvious to me that in some respects we've taken a few steps back; there's no doubt in my mind that we still have a long road ahead of us before gender equality becomes a reality.


Well, you're right about that last part: we still have a long road ahead of us when there are sexist, sanctimonious, holier-than-thou people like you who are so terrified by and ashamed of female sexuality.

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If you survey the scene, past and present, you'll find that the vast majority of times, the people who are terrified of female sexuality are men.

I love female sexuality. What I don't love is the pornification of female sexuality to the point that nothing is left of it except that which pleases the male gaze.

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What makes you think they weren't all female? Can't remember seeing any of them naked.

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How astonishing. You need to see humanoids completely naked in order to tell them apart. Ever consider having that looked into?

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Either the giants are hermaphroditic or don't have any sexual dimorphism except for genitalia (i.e. males and females look exactly the same except for their privies). That would explain why there are no "female" giants in the film.

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An absence of sexual dimorphism doesn't get us very far. In the aggregate, male and female humanoid visages (not to mention hands, voices) never seem all male, but these do.

It seems that Western culture has lost the capacity to conceptualize female giants without oversexualizing them. Perhaps the animators didn't want to introduce cliched contemporary images of voluptuousness into a family film; alternatively, they may have feared that, had they created unlovely giantesses, they'd be accused of stigmatizing females who don't have perfect bodies, (lol) forgetting that this was never inevitable in earlier children's illustrated books.

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How astonishing. You need to see humanoids completely naked in order to tell them apart.
Go to a city—doesn't have to be San Francisco or anything. Now look into the throng of people and tell me with a straight face you can tell their gender at a glance 100% of the time.


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"Go to a city", lol. Where do you think most intelligent, computer-literate people live?

Given that this is an animated feature, not a documentary, the appropriate comparison is with a storyboard, and no, I don't have any trouble discerning the intended gender of humanoid creatures depicted either in stark line drawings or more detailed graphics.

The reason why everyone assumes the giants they see are male, and don't take any of them for female, is because that's just what the animators intended. Indeed, as critics have noted, "Traditional male and female roles are blatant" throughout the film. It's not just the obliteration of the female gender among giants that is at issue here.

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*Where were*, and I would say they didn't participate in battles or something along those lines. They're obviously a primitive race with primitive ideas.

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Since they are whatever the filmmakers make of them and the times demand, I'd say you've aptly described us, not them.

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Perhaps.

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I thought about this as well. I guess because the giants are portrayed as evil and violent, it was determined that it wouldn't be politically correct to have female giants.

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Who can say for sure what went through their minds? Maybe they never even gave it a moment's thought.

But far from being sensitive to feminist concerns and values, the filmmakers have trampled upon them. They had an opportunity to depict females as brutish, unlovely creatures -- which in this age of bizarre sexualization of women would have been a welcome relief -- and they blew it. Instead, they pretended the problem didn't exist.

But it does.

Look up "girls Halloween costume ideas" on Google Image search.

Then do the same for boys.

That will tell you why the lack of female giants is a subject worth taking seriously.

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Wait, are you some sort of rabid feminist?

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What's the difference between the kind you find "rabid" and the kind you find acceptable?

Are you worried I might bite you?

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Honestly, you're making mountains out of molehills. So there weren't any grotesque female giants? Why is that even a problem to begin with?

You are assuming that giants are "over-sized humans" and, by that logic, a gender distinction should exist between these "over-sized humans" because it's a slight against feminist values if there aren't. Normally I'm supportive of feminism, being a humanist myself, but what is the point of taking this crusade to a retelling of a fairytale? I'm not an expert on folklore, but I'm pretty sure that the giant(s?) from the original Jack and the Giant Beanstalk was(were?) a male(or, to be more precise, resembled a human male) to begin with. No one questioned the existence of female giants back then because it was a fairy tale. A story to tell about freaking giants. Are you forgetting that the fact there are giants living in the sky is the point here?

Now, taking mythology and folklore a little more seriously, one should understand that the very fact that there's magic within this area of literature warps the laws of human normalcy. It's what allows these giants to exist in the first place. Magical creatures(giants in this case) have no need to follow our biological rules. They don't need to "reproduce" either. They can very well just grow out of trees or the ground or a huge boulder simply because it's folklore. As an example of beings growing out of places they shouldn't, take Artemis, the Greek goddess of the hunt. Daughter of Zeus. Birthed from his head. No ovaries involved.

The giants were all male in appearance because that's what the directors/producers/writers decided on. Simple as that. They also decided that these creatures were immortal(or lived very long times. Considering the fact that the giants in the end are the same giants from the fairy tale being read to the children in the beginning one can assume that their life time is quite extensive. This is something else that makes them different from humans). There's no reason to even question this decision. There's no hidden meaning behind it or secret agenda either.

And I understand OP's curiosity as well. I'm a fantasy fanatic so I want to know all I can about these magical creatures. Learning more about them is always incredible because you never know what to expect. That's the point of it. Fantasy does not follow a set guide. It borrows from reality(e.g. combining animals and humans to form new creatures, re-imagining elements into gods, turning humans into giants) but from that point on, it has no obligation to follow what we accept as true. I found it funny that one person in another topic(the one about taking a 4 year old to see this movie) mentioned there was cannibalism because the giants were eating the humans. That's ridiculous. The giants weren't human. The humans weren't giants either.

So, again, SaltyLassi, drop it. You're barking up the wrong beanstalk.

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"They don't need to "reproduce" either. They can very well just grow out of trees or the ground or a huge boulder simply because it's folklore. "

Well said. Exactly what I think.

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But what makes you lot think they were all male?? hmmm? A bit sexist isn't it? ;)

Playing devil's advocate here I know, but how do you know they weren't all female?
Their deep voices were male? - Not necessarily so because they were giants, with massive throats and vocal chords. The females would be have deep booming voices as well!
There could have been a male/female mixture, and just like Dwarves in fantasy films, you can't tell the difference! :)

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Easy. Films signify. And when they don't that's telling as well.

Nothing whatsoever in this film gives the impression that the giants were all female.

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But what gave you the impression that they were ALL male? Stereotypes perhaps?
You want the female ones to be all Disney-pretty and have fluttering eye lashes, massive boobs, and lipstick? They're not even a human species for starters.

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Not "stereotypes", but "signifiers". There is a difference.

I don't know where you got the ridiculous idea that I want to be the female giants to be portrayed as you described. Any thinking IMDber who has read over my posts on this thread would be easily disabused of such an idea.

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I was just making a point. How do you know that there were no females in the film? How would you model them in CGI?

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See, this is precisely my point. The question was entirely unproblematic in, say, Scandinavian children's books a century ago. You model them the same way you model the male giants in CGI. Based on a general acquaintance with the secondary sex characteristics of humanoids.

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This comment about Fiona in Shrek Forever After reminds me of yours:

In this film, in the "Potterstown" version of Shrek's world, Fiona did not get rescued. She rescued herself. Her curse of a half-human, half-ogre existence made her tough and dedicated. She becomes the leader of an ogre army, fighting for survival against Rumpelstilskin and his army of witches.

But I still miss Warrior Fiona. I hate seeing her as a housewife only. She can be much more, and in defense of her children, her man and her species, I wish I could see her become something more.



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Not needing women to reproduce -- why that's been the stuff of male fantasy fiction for decades.

The giants look mammalian. Thus the glaring absence of females calls for an explanation just as the glaring absence of males would.

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This is a discussion board and you're in no position to tell anyone to drop it.

If the filmmakers had decided to make the giants self-replicating amazons, (a rather interesting idea, come to think of it) chances are you would have noticed.

But because patriarchal societies treat men as the default gender, the decision to render an entire race of mammalian beings one gender only is glided over as unproblematic.

In fact, I'm sure many of those who watched this film barely gave the matter any thought.

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"In fact, I'm sure many of those who watched this film barely gave the matter any thought."

As it should have been as there was no ulterior motive. Your incessant need to make this a slight against the female gender is both depreciating and sort of sick. Why do you insist on the creation of conspiracy theories when there are no grounds for them here?

"But because patriarchal societies treat men as the default gender, the decision to render an entire race of mammalian beings one gender only is glided over as unproblematic."

No, you don't get the point here. These are GIANTS. They are MYTHOLOGICAL creatures. Giants are predominantly male in mythology because they're large brutish creatures of immense strength. Read that description? Now what comes to mind when you hear large and brutish? That's the reason the cultures that made them part of their mythos made the giants predominantly male. There may or may not have been females, I'm not entirely certain, but the point is that, while humanoid, they are NOT human or mammalian. They are magical creatures. Take your science elsewhere.

"If the filmmakers had decided to make the giants self-replicating amazons, (a rather interesting idea, come to think of it) chances are you would have noticed."

Interesting that you mention amazons, a rather cruel society, composed entirely of females. But that's running on a tangent, regardless. Do you want large, ugly, deformed and brutish female giants? Go and read the Harry Potter series. J. K. Rowling created exactly what you're looking for. Her rendition of giants was, I believe, excellent. But that's all they are, her rendition.

"But because patriarchal societies treat men as the default gender, the decision to render an entire race of mammalian beings one gender only is glided over as unproblematic."

Yes, well, you're simply assuming they're one gender and not genderless. They resemble human males, and anyone who tries to say otherwise is obviously blind, but that's all. It's a resemblance. Mermaids typically resemble women with the bottom half of a fish, don't they? But that's all. It's just a resemblance.

For all we know, they're not even females. They might as well be genderless. Another way to think about it is that all the male "mermaids" look like females as well, right down to the breasts. The only difference being a penis. But does it matter? No one asks how they reproduce. Why? Because they're *beep* mermaids. They're pure myth. A.K.A. not real.

If anyone is interested how they keep their species going, they're purely interested in the mythology behind it. That's where writers and story tellers come in. They create amusing stories and tales of how THEY believe it works. But no one has the "right" version. They're all "right". Going back to HP, J.K. Rowling had mermen as well. That was her rendition. In no way is it the "final and only" rendition, but it was nonetheless an amusing one.

"Not needing women to reproduce -- why that's been the stuff of male fantasy fiction for decades."

LOL. I find this extremely hilarious. You really don't understand the very gender you're demonizing, do you? While asexual reproduction may be the hope and dream for a homosexual couple, the same does not apply for the rest of the male population.

"This is a discussion board and you're in no position to tell anyone to drop it."

When you're ready to discuss and not insist, imply or otherwise force, I'll be ready to be in this "no position" you speak of. But, as of the moment, all you've been seeking is confrontation, not discussion.

When you've read up on your mythology you can try and argue your case but, as it stands, you're grasping at straws.

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Yes, I came to that conclusion myself. I'm not sure why you replied to me with it, but thank you nonetheless.

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No, it wasn't a problem. lol It's just that if you intended that post for someone else they didn't receive the notice. I didn't mean to come off as rude either.

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willb-8 and EternalRemnant hit the nail.
And to think of it, nobody is asking why there are no Giant children.

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Or giant midgets.

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Also a valid point that I hadn't even considered.

The fact that there weren't any offspring proves two points. One, there was no reproduction to speak of and two, these giants were the same batch of giants that existed from their inception in said world.

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This is like in Attack on Titan, where all the giants look genderless, without any genitals, and look more male than female. I dont like this at all. When will there ever be a movie where there is a race of male and female giants that dont look ugly, and attack a city. Perhaps it could be a movie spinoff of Gulliver where the giants of Brobdingnag cross over into the modern real world to terrorize the regular sized people? And there wouldnt be enough time to build giant walls. And instead of swinging men and women with swords, there would be soldiers, guns, tanks, bombs, jets, helicopters, missiles, battleships!! Perhaps even Giant robots!!
It would be hot to see an army battle a hot sexy giant woman.



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The giants from Shingeki no Kyojin don't just LOOK genderless, they ARE genderless. This was the preference of the mangaka and I think it was a pretty good choice. There are reasons for this as well.

If you would like to see a hot sexy giant woman battling tiny armies, find a female of your preference and unleash an army of cockroaches in an enclosed room. You'll see exactly what you're looking for.

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either that, or have the female of your preference playing with toy army men, with toy tanks, and toy helicopters, and toy jets, and other toys. But of course, toys are for kids. Only fools would imagine the toy men being real.
But yes, roaches are not tiny people. Even in the crush forum, the crushing of insects is not allowed. Besides, no intelligent person would want to see hot chicks killing a bunch of roaches, and getting roach guts on their beautiful feet. But there are actually videos out there of women crushing bugs, and some people find this hot. YUCK!!



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Since they seemed to be immortal there was no need for procreation, and if, it was most likely conducted via magic or something similar.

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the giants are immortal, they were the same King Erik fought

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