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A pompous, contrived, schematic high school special


Allow me, if you will, to wonder at a bit of length how this movie got both the Globe and Oscar for Best Foreign Language Film. It is quite terrible. The movie is a Danish version of Crash but with violence instead of racism. What I mean is that the characters and the story are so far removed from real life that the film becomees a long thesis statement on the history of violence. The characters are not real human beings but sociological arguments. What happens when your mother dies from cancer? You become a psychopath. What if your parents are divorced? You get bullied. Then, by coincidence (there are quite a bit of those) you meet another lost soul. And then your father just happens to get into the world's most implausible street fight, but good thing, because you just happened to do some violence yourself and now it's on everybody's mind. It's like fate which in this case was the director assigned you, your friend and your parents the topic of violence as a term paper. And luckily, your father is also dealing with his own violence in his job.

In science, you go where the evidence leads you. You don't make the evidence fit a predetermined conclusion. This is what the film did. It is overly determined, schematic, programmed. It wanted to make a grand statement about violence and forgiveness and manipulated it's characters like so many chess pieces. Nothing was organic, borne of character instead of heavy handed theme. It told, in a rather didactic way rather than showed. And the symbolism was about as subtle as a bag of bricks. Look a man struggling with what to do sees a spiderweb. Birds fly free in contrast to the frustrated mortals who have to deal with themselves. Forgiveness and rejuvination are illustrated by a windmill. This is not a movie; it's a badly written parable.

The African scenes bothered me. I know the filmmakers are not bigots, but here we have violence as a part of daily life in Africa, while the European characters step on the precipice of acting that way. It read as Europeans, better be careful in what you do or else you'll devolve into Africans and their violent states. Because a shorthand for barbarity is Africa.

I did like Bier's visual sense. There are some shots here like the doctor sitting in the yard that were painterly. The acting by all was pretty good, especially by the boy who played Christian. But the movie told you what to think and feel in so bald, and unnatural fashion that it just failed.

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Have to agree with OP : despite being a fan of Bier, "In a Better World" felt contrived and manipulative. "After the Wedding" and "Brothers" (not the dumbed down american remake, mind you)are way better.
That being said, the movie's still way more interesting than "Crash"...

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Dude you sound like a pompous contrarian.

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Yeah, probably. I wrote the review right after seeing the movie, so the feelings were still fresh. I wouldn't change the content, but would dial back the tone considerably.

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You make some interesting points, and I don't disagree with everything you say, but I thought this was a powerful film. Maybe it has to do with what's going on in your life, or because I'm a woman, but I thought this film was mesmerizing. The cinematography is stunning, and I thought the boys and their reactions to life events were realistic. Just my opinion, but I loved the movie.

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I also expected a bit more from the film and was left slightly disappointed at the end. As others have pointed out, the cinematography is pretty amazing and so are the performances. It's just a bit, well, too predictable, too safe and almost patronising in its message. I also took offence at the cliched portrayal of Africa as a place of plight, poverty and violence in stark contrast to the idyllic Denmark.

I can see why this would appeal to a mainstream audience though - this isn't a weird foreign film with lots of nudity and awkward dialogue. Comparing it to the other Oscar nominees, it isn't as edgy/weird as "Dogtooth" or as dark as "Biutiful". I didn't rate "Hors de la loi" too highly but "Incendies" is amazing. All of them were more deserving of an Oscar than "Haevnen".

But maybe that's the crux with this film: It just doesn't live up to its praise. I might have enjoyed it more with an open mind. It's not a bad film by any means - just not the masterpiece it is made out to be.

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I liked the movie, but I agree with this review fully. My biggest problem is that it rarely ever went for broke, it just felt like Brier was more interested in playing it safe then fully getting the message across.

Why did the hipster burn his mouth on the pizza? He ate it before it was cool.

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I thought it was fantastic and deserved all the attention it got. I found the acting, dialogue and cinematography... excellent.

I know film is supposed to ask questions and make statements about the human experience, and I appreciate your dislikes. However, sometimes people are just violent and there's no explanation for it. Also, I disagree that dealing with pain or loss doesn't make you violent. It can have a different effect on everyone.

Like I said, I respect your opinion and I'm glad that you went on to explain yourself in detail.


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Would you mind improving you're spelling? ;-)
There's a difference between "its" and "it's" and you ought to know it.

There is a thing called Suspension of disbelief, you know. You have to overdo your characters to tell an interessting story. Only when it it is done badly and extremely over the top it becomes pathetic. It did not happen in this movie.
The movie is not really about violence either. It is about moral behaviour. People are inherently violent. So, how to react to that?
Christian is not a psychopath. He simply does not follow the turn-your-other-cheek-approach the other characters do. He's more of a massive retaliation, or at the very least, an eye for an eye guy.
The whole movie is about which standpoint to take.

And yet another post of mine wasted on a thriteen year-old troll.

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I dont really get your argument (original poster),

I dont think Christian is violent because his mother died he is generally, he actions aren't nihilistic in the slightest. He simply responds to acts of injustice which was what the director has suggested the film is about.

Look throughout the film

Marianne hurt by Anton's indiscretions
Christian hurt by losing his mother
Children scared by the aggression of Lars to Anton
Elias being bullied
Warlords violence toward woman

All of these perceived injustices produce a consequence be it poetic or otherwise.

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I certainly didn't think my little review would get four pages of responses. Apparently I hit a nerve. There's nothing to get. If you enjoyed the movie, that's great. I'm not knocking people who found it beautiful and poetic. If it comes across that way, my apologies. I just had problems with it. I happen to love Terrence Malick's films and would waste a lot of time arguing with people who didn't. You love what you love and hate what you hate.

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And I find it surprising that a person who loves Mallick finds so many objections to Bier's movie(s)...

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