I submit that everyone here who feels that Ivy and li‘l Charles should still be together despite the truth about them would be absolutely disgusted if they met them as a happy couple, thought they were the nicest people ever, then found out the truth later.
Admit it.
And that's why they shouldn't be together. It's just plain gross.
They didn't know they were siblings. They didn't go into the relationship as brother and sister. You saw how pitiful Ivy's life was, especially after having cancer and losing her chance to have children. Charles was a decent person to her and a comfort when she needed it the most. They fell in love in the same way everyone does, unexpectedly.
Incest is a difficult matter. It isn't black and white. Had they grown up together as brother and sister and still decided to love each other, that is a completely different story.
Agreed!
Had they grown up together as brother and sister and still decided to love each other, that is a completely different story.Yes. And it's called "Game of Thrones"
They are over 18 & going to have no children, so I don't care. Is it weird? yep... but it's not my problem. I think Ivy and Little Charles were suited for each other.
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There are many people from around the world, regardless of their culture, custom and religion, who develop a relationship which the OP would consider 'gross' based on the western interpretation of incest.
Admittedly, I too, struggle to accept that a man or woman can or should have sexual relations with their own child but I struggle a whole lot less with that concept between cousins or brother and sister. Modern relations are very complicated.
we have seen throughout history that men have married their daughters, married their dead wife's sister or even developed relations with a step-child. As in the case I recall of Richard Field, friend of William Shakespeare, he benefitted by marrying the widow of his dead boss, nothing wrong with that it seems.
Draw a distinction perhaps between those indulging in 'gross' relations by having sexual relations and producing children and those who co-habit together, sleep together even but either do not have sexual relations or cannot fulfil the will of God to make a child because he is impotent or she is barren/infertile.
Ok, Ivy and Little Charles go off into the sunset and make their lives together in New York (City). Why on earth would they tell all and sundry about their horrid family and about the degree of their incestious relationship?
Extending that point further, if two people of the same sexual gender in certain countries can adopt children, then why not Ivy and Little Charles? Why should they be discriminated against?
Finally, I liked the song/melody Little Charles was singing to Ivy before he was interrupted. Did it have a conclusion? And what is the song in its entirety? The sweetest moment in the film for me without a doubt.
IS there anyone who thinks they should still be together?! That's all kinds of wrong!
"Your mother puts license plates in your underwear? How do you sit?!"
Thanks for inadvertently pointing out how we all should look at the story behind the story and not judge people based on incomplete information.
Like many if not most here, I see nothing wrong with them being together.
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I submit that everyone here who feels that Ivy and li‘l Charles should still be together despite the truth about them would be absolutely disgusted if they met them as a happy couple, thought they were the nicest people ever, then found out the truth later.
A happy, sweet couple who treats me with respect? What they do behind closed doors is their business, but even if I knew, it wouldn't bother me one bit.
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"And that is why they should notbe together"...
Well, actually, that is not really something new.
There was a story about those, what were they called... Ah the Niebelungen...
And there is that brand-new movie : crimson blood.
As for personal reaction I would say, that what the movie does not show or tell is one of the most interesting part.
Most of the offspring in that family were hostages in some way. Somehow, someway they might get back to where the best part of them are still locked in and get free.
What Ivy says to her sister against what the widowed sister, her own mother, says ?
A it does not make any difference
B she can't do it. She's good, but weak. She'll be back.
There is a common attitude in the two propositions : silence.
No one suggests anything about calling the Aikin house and requesting a meeting so all the thing get talked about. The dungeon (or the fort) is still strong all locked up.
Should Ivy kept the lid tightened over the truth to the man she says she loves, what kind of love that would be that he has not known all his life ?
The Father's character looks nice to him, but for crying out loud ! Comb your hair and blow your nose, at 37...
And on the other side of the ring, the mother. She yells but she is the one that could be given the sack by the oh, so soft talking husband. Her only support would be her son.
That is Charle' s (or Liberace ?) situation. He probably spends his life watching TV to find a way out.
And he probably is so afraid of mothers that the condition of his cousin is a blessing for him.
Maybe he and Ivy can make it in the future, but when he shall know about his parentage, he will have to face his mother and surrogate father. He could do that with an ally that opens to him and let him decides. Not with someone that hold him in a web of lies.
For there will be a lot of questions a lot of things to understand.
And, well, Ivy might come over it. She had his help when she she was in need of it. That is what spouses are for. Helping you live longer. Things changed for the two of them. Maybe they can get even better. Lovers are there to make your life more difficult... But interesting.
When Ivy burst out at the two others that they are monsters, she sounds a bit like Peter Pan discovering that people do ... things that he does not like. Hopefully she and junior shall be spared what follows in the story of Sir Barrie.
The"truth" about Ivy and junior is that they have been abused most of their lives by people who did not give a fig about them and it is about time that stops.
Manelle
"to tax and to please, no more to love and to be wise, is not given to men"