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I want to be a vegetarian now. Can you help me with problems I've faced?


Hi, thanks for checking this out! Now, I just watched this video in health class. I'm terribly disgusted by it and I would like to try vegetarianism. A few things you should know: I am in eighth grade. I have a cousin and a friend who are vegetarians (but it won't last with my friend, it probably will with my cousin though). I have not seen the last 15 minutes of this movie (we will be finishing it tomorrow...I *think* I hope we'll finish it).

I pretty much love meat once I see it. I love my mom's roast beef and barbeque chicken. I love the burgers from McDonalds and nuggets from Wendy's. I LOVE bacon...but the movie has completely scarred me. My health teacher said something today that will always stick with me: "When you eat a nugget, a chicken gave its life for that." Mr. Herr wasn't trying to make us vegetarians; he just wanted to show us where our food comes from.

So my questions are...
1) Any tips how to resist meat? When I see it, I don't remember the video, but after I'm done eating, I really want to puke. So can someone teach me a trick to make it look disgusting all the time?

2) My mom is okay with it, but my dad didn't believe me when I told him. Can someone tell me how to prove to him that I'm truly disgusted be meat?

3) As much as I hate to say this, this could be a phase for me. If it is, I want to get out of the phase now, so do you have anything to tell me on why vegetarianism can be bad or can you tell me something that wouldn't make me feel bad about eating meat?

4) Is everything in this video true? Was there something that was exaggerated? They made the businesses seem like evil people who only cared about money, but I don't believe that's how it really is.

5) Is there any foods that are 100% free of the chemicals they showed in the video? I can't remember the name, but they fed it to the animals to get more meat. Is there a way to tell if that stuff is in the food you are buying?

Well thank you for checking this out and helping with my questions. I do like this video, even though it grossed me out.

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Taybar-- if you have a yard with a few spare sq.m in it, grow your own vegetables. And fruit too. It's that easy. Got a bit of spare time? Even easier! Talk your ma into paying HALF the supermarket price for your produce. Everyone wins, except oil companies who don't get your dollars for going to the shops so often; and the agri-giants, whose cold-stored horrors stay longer in a chill; and the chemical monsters whose poisons aren't used to grow YOUR food.
A packet of seeds is incredibly good value: typically 99c or $1.59 here. It's not impossible to turn $1 of seeds into $150 of produce, at market prices. Even if your mum pays you $75, You've earned it; and she's saved nearly as much herself. And most crops will leave you with enough seeds for the following year's planting. AND be better for y'all. And YOU see what goes into them as they grow.
Make the good people win taybar; cut out the nasties and all the middlemen from your diet.
Happy gardening!

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Hey Taybar :o) I had similar concerns to you when i was 8 years old and decided (quite adamantly) to be vegetarian. I'm now 27 and according to my doctor (and pathology tests) I am in perfect health. Like anyone, you should just eat well and you'll be totes fine, and maybe even better off. That said, if you do decide that vegetarianism is not for you, please don't feel guilty for eating meat - it doesn't help you or the animal. You're never too young to have principles and live by them, so good on you for being a thoughtful member of the human race - you rock!

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Why thank you!

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Like the others here, I just wanted to congratulate you on your choice, but most importantly, your desire to get more information--all too rare, but a great thing! I'm 28 and have been vegetarian (and oftentimes vegan) for about 6 years and have never looked back. I can't really help you with the cravings because I've never liked meat much anyway. But if I were starting for the first time, here's how I would sort things out all the conflicting opinions and information that you'll get:

-Decide how much you care about a) killing animals, b) animals being raised in terrible living conditions, c) eating foods with high levels of chemicals and pesticides, d) eating genetically modified foods.

-If you are morally against killing animals, what you have to do is mostly self-explanatory, but there are things I never knew about, like how egg farms need to kill all the male chicks because they have no use for them- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_culling

-If you are against the unethical treatment of animals, you can still eat meat from animals who are raised using humane practices (I've never tried this, so I don't know how easy it is to get this information, but I have friends who do it). Believe it or not, the chick farm that was filmed in Food Inc. was one of the more ethically sound ones, a cage free farm. Most chickens are raised in cages where they cannot even spread their wings (and if you eat vegetarian brands like Morningstar that have eggs in their products, the eggs come from the farms using cages).

-Vegetarianism for ethical reasons about animal health is separate from the debate about organic foods (many vegetarian soy-based foods aren't anywhere close to organic). I'm not an authority on these issues though- Food Inc. taught me a lot!

-Beware of what's on the internet! That one post that talked about the dangers of soy with those links is very misleading. Like any other food, there are probably positive and negative effects that can go with eating too much soy, but it's not any worse for you (and probably not much better for you as the whole 'wonder food' marketing states) than other vegetables. It does provide the necessary protein though for going vegetarian. Studies called 'meta-analyses' that summarize large amounts of research can really give you better information than websites of individuals or organizations with axes to grind, and even these will only tell you the research on a particular food for a particular health concern. If you look at the research overall, and not just one or two specific studies, there is no evidence that soy is dangerous for you (although it stinks that Monsanto is such a terrible company!)

-Also, forget what people say about a 'lunatic fringe'. My advice is to listen to the people who aren't angry :) I've met the sweetest vegans who do have "extreme" beliefs but are nonjudgmental, and at the same time, some very judgmental carnivores. Even though beliefs are important, and there may be a right and wrong to some issues, it's very important to respect others with different viewpoints.

Anyway, that's my two cents (or eight cents...sorry for the length). Good luck on your dietary path!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJotVmkRf4E

That sums it up nicely.

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Very well put Taybar. Best of luck with your vegetarianism but you've got to understand that all animals die, including us. You should probably be more concerned about how they live and how they die than whether or not they die. We are after all animals but if you feel that you want to be vegetarian then go for it.

That fall, in my philosophy class, we talked about land and how if we have 2 acres of land, for example, maybe only a certain number of cows could live on that land and produce enough meat and milk for a small number of people. However, if we took that same land and planted crops like lettuce, corn, broccoli, carrots, etc., we could feed many more people.



I've got to disagree with that. It's a very simplistic arguement that assumes all land is available for crops. It isn't due to rainfall levels, land quality and topography and whether a plough can go through it. For example I have a bit to do with a farm that has cattle on it. It gets enough rain for crops but it has loads of grapefruit sized rocks in the subsoil that would destroy a plow/seeder. So it's great land for cattle but not so good for crops.

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>>I want to be a vegetarian now. Can you help me with problems I've faced?<<



For starters, it sounds like you need to learn how to think for yourself, and not base your life decisions on what obvious agitprop or what your Animal Rights nutbar teacher tells you to think.

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Stop trolling! The OP obviously wants to change and has asked people because it makes far more sense to ask a person (who may already be a vegetarian) than to believe random websites. Are you a square who evidently believes the tripe that humans are meant to eat meat and nothing can change?

On a happier note, being vegetarian is tough in the beginning! The best advice I could give to you is to experiment with flavours and textures, vegetable lasagne, curry etc taste really good and mushrooms can be quite meaty in texture.

If that fails, there's always beans on toast!

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>>I want to be a vegetarian now. Can you help me with problems I've faced?<<

To the OP I can only relate my experience, it's a pretty good plan if you wanted to become vegetarian because I didn't want to, I used to eat meat in every meal and until 6 months ago I thought vegetarians were the biggest, stupidest, childish sissies in the world. I thought it was an inferior diet, lacking the qualities of a complete diet.

Then someone dear to me directed me to a book called, "The China Study", written by a leading Professor of Nutritional Biochemistry at Cornell University, T. Colin Campbell.

While reading it, I noted that the amounts of meat he was noting to cause disease was a typical percentage of the meat that I would eat. I'd never previously even thought about what percentage of my meal was meat. I was just finishing this book when they started advertising the sandwich with chicken breasts instead of buns, smothered in cheese, at the same time you see headlines all over about how all our health problems are growing, and it just clicked for me that the information this book was portraying was probable, or likely. He also points out the amount of money the meat, egg, and dairy industries pump out in advertising and the special interest groups they form to flat out steamroll any report, individual, or group publishing material to the contrary of what they'd have you believe.

From that book I looked up Caldwell Esselstyn, a top surgeon from the Cleveland Clinic, a top person at a top establishment in the field of cardiology. He worked completely independant of Campbell, and found that instead of life altering procedures, which didn't treat the root of the problem, he was able to reverse heart disease in patients by diet alone with less cost, safely, and with more success. Sadly the Cleveland Clinic had no interest in his program because their money comes from performing procedures. Another man, John McDougall has the same results reversing heart disease (top killer today) with a low fat, whole food, vegan diet.

From there I watched a movie called "Earthlings", which left me not wanting to support the companies that profit from factory farming, if nothing else. They spend so much money marketing their different products trying to make you think the meat you're buying is from a small farm like the ones you see along the road in the country. The fact is, even if the label has a small farm pictured, it's likely owned, or supplied by one of the few mega farms. We therefore justify "good" meat, from local organic farms, but unless the price is double, you're just buying into one of the "fake" small farms. They put so much effort into masking the true source of the product. There is "free range" beef that is chained to a wheel and just walks all day in a circle like a chain gang.

From there I watched videos of Esselstyn where he discusses his findings which are all over the internet. He and Campbell have a joint movie coming out called, "Forks over knives" about how what you eat with your fork can prevent getting cut open with knives for surgery.

Watching "The future of food" makes you think about what you buy as well.

I fish, I grew up on a farm, I'd eat meat if I was visiting a relative on a farm that grew it, but I no longer buy meat/egg/dairy at the store and havent had any in months.

Your body stockpiles around 3 years worth of B vitamins, if you don't eat meat for a solid 3+ years you can consider taking a supplement. Other than that drawing as many colors into your meals the better, red, green, yellow, orange, purple, as well as nuts, grains and fresh fruit.

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"I was just finishing this book when they started advertising the sandwich with chicken breasts instead of buns, smothered in cheese, at the same time you see headlines all over about how all our health problems are growing, and it just clicked for me that the information this book was portraying was probable, or likely."

As opposed to the highly refined sugars in white bread? Why do you wonder where our health problems are coming from? People do not eat a shred similarly to how they were meant to eat. Heavy cooking, modification, processing, pesticides, antibiotics, pasteurization, does that ring any bells or is it just the steak we've evolved to eat doing us in? Do a search on the benefits of raw milk. What they are meant to eat, does not solely consist of vegetables. Animals do not evolve to eat something that will harm them. That may be why our heavily processed diets are causing us to drop out and gain genetics predisposing some to extreme obesity and other health problems, yet not our original, raw, omnivorous diets. In effect, the China study is filled with logical fallacies and doesn't constitute as actual science. I would rather stick to stone cold first-grade logic.

"From there I watched a movie called "Earthlings", which left me not wanting to support the companies that profit from factory farming, if nothing else."

I think it's noteworthy that you aren't harming these industries when you choose to stop supporting them. They simply do not view you as a consumer they should care about, and no animals are released on your behalf. When you support buying your meats from alternative farming, then you are in their radar.

BUGS

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Hello!

Read Animal Liberation.
Watch the movie Earthlings.
There are vegan/vegetarian social networks where you can discuss and ask for support like volentia.com.
Don't give in to your cravings, listen to your heart and use your empathy.

Good luck :)

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1. It's hard to resist something that tastes good. I just try to remember the bad stuff related to it. After a while, at least for me, it gets easier and after a while, you just see the bad in it and don't even think about the taste. It can't be all about the taste. Think about the cute animal it came from.

2. Talk to your dad about the antibiotics, hormones and other cancer causing things that are put into it. It is disgusting. It's healthier not to eat it. Your dad wants a healthy daughter, right?

3. If you're planning on it being a phase, then it will be. Why not commit to it for a certain amount of time to see what you think.

4. Most corporations are all about profit, then second or third come people, animals, etc. There are ethical corporations out there but they are few.

5. If you go organic, it at least minimizes the bad stuff. It's expensive, but at least you know you're not ingesting a bunch of chemicals.

It's supposed to gross you out.

~If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian. ~Paul McCartney.~

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once you get off meat you wont even miss it, especially these days when companies like Gardein and Mornignstar make faux meat products

depending where you live look into visitng a place called Farm Sanctuary. there is one in central NY and one in central CA. actually connecting with the animals in living form, for example giving a belly rub to a pig while it snorts for joy, is a powerful and moving experience. if those places are too far just look them up on youtube. you will see how sentient these beings are. you can also go the other way and see footage of how the animals are killed and processed. besides how bad it is for the animals, it is bad for people. i'm guessing you dont smoke, drink, or do drugs. why? besides legal reasons it is bad for your health. meat and dairy kills many people, it just does it slower. and besides bad health via consumption, there are many workers in the factory farming process, some legal some not, who are exploited, almost abused

if i could go back to 8th grade i would eat vegan, and get into yoga and meditation. those 3 things combined will give you an incredibly healthy physical and mental life. yoga and meditation are broad subjects, there are are many forms, just like there are many cars, music, etc... do some research and see what type you believe would be beneficial to you

the best vegan argument i ever saw was 'best speech you will ever hear Gary Yourofsky'. if you type that into youtube search and watch his speech and q&a, it should answer all of your questions and concerns. oh, and there are trailers for a film called "Vegucated" on YT. watch the trailers, especially the 'old preliminary' one, and i bet you'll want to see the movie. same with trailers for "Got the facts on Milk", "Forks Over Knives", and "Processed People"

best of luck

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Consider eating less but better meat. Cut out the fast food meat, the deli food meat, the canned meat (ie soups, ect). Eat vegetarian Monday thru Saturday and then treat yourself to a nice organic steak at the end of the week. If everyone did this about 90% of our food related problems would go away. On top of that, you'd enjoy your steak a lot more then you ever have.

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