I can do this all day too. Except of course, I actually state things and back up my points. Unlike you.
I'm sorry... All I could imagine after that comment was you snapping your fingers in a Z formation. Oh no you didn't girlfreeenn'!!
But wow, you're pretty full of it. Was the film scary? Even if it was with your stance there's no way in hell you'd admit it. Try admitting that. :P I on the other hand have the balls to say I was genuinely scared in that bedroom scene. It was one of those scary moments where you knew it was coming but just had to brace yourself. Similar to a roller coaster ride, when you slowly scale up awaiting the moment you get plunged down. There is nothing wrong with a horror movie using that method, and the way it was used in that scene was
very arguably successful. But even if you truly weren't scared, it's ok. That's just your taste in fear man, and I'm not saying it's wrong to not find this scary. To each his own. The type of fear I felt in this movie was one I haven't felt since I was a kid, and I watch a lot of horror movies.
Lazy writing producing a getting-character-up-to-speed scene does not make the movie bad, I'm sorry. It destroys any chance of this movie being called a masterpiece, yes, but that's all. I really don't know why that one scene makes you hate everything else, but okay.
My gripe about you is not that you hate this movie, but because you feel self-important enough to come on this board and say thus movie is bad like it is a fact. When
in fact it is just your opinion. Running around calling people mentally challenged for stating their own thoughts is pathetic.
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Sweet_and_Lowdown77
13 years ago
1stly... you're the one who said, "you could do this all day."
So your z snap girlfriend comment should be resevered for yourself.
2ndly... where did I say it was bad? I said it wasn't good.
If you bothered to read, there was more than just the one scene that makes this film not good. This particular post is discussing this one scene (again, read, comprehend - it will help you in life).
The bedroom scene was NOT scary. You clearly see the monster go under the sheet 1st. Hence, you know it's coming. It makes it less suspenseful. All you get is a cheap jump instead of a scare.
The gardner had an "accident"? He's near death by tripping repeatedly over lawn tools, which stabbed him several dozen times over and over again?
That alone makes the film weak.
You came to the movie and made fun of my critique without offering an opinion. That makes you self-important. I put my thoughts down, you didn't even bother, simply saying, "You're wrong, next. I can do this all day."
If you actually paid attention to the post topic... I disagreed with the OP. The scene we're talking about is not a plot hole. It's just a lazy scene. A movie is presented to the audience. The main character usually is the one guiding us through the film. We learn as they learn. the scene in question catches the lead character up on things we already know.
That's lazy. We as audience members are bored b/c we're hearing stuff we know. The scene exists b/c the filmmakers needed to get Katie Holmes up to speed on things so they could set up the ending.
Look at your own posts and then yourself... you're the hypocrite, self-important pathetic stooge.
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Black_PuddleT5
13 years ago
I wasn't even talking to you when I said "I could do this all day" I was talking to cleverqbin. I said that because someone said "There is so much wrong with that post"
At which point he said "Actually no there isn't."
And I said "Actually there is. I can do this all day." Meaning I can go back and forth with "No. Yes. No. Yes. No. Yes." because it's easy.
And right now even, you think were getting more in depth about the subject but we're just adding complexity to the oh-so-mature argument of "you're stupid. No you are. No you are. No you."
Saying it wasn't good is like saying it was bad. I mean come on are we really arguing about that? It's common freaking sense. I mean you say "the movie wasn't good. the movie was weak. The movie isn't bad." WHAT!?!? Can you explain yourself for this lack of consistency please?? Or can you at least understand why I might think you hate the film?
I already explained why the bedroom scene was very acceptable...As much as I hate repeating myself, I will say again that just because you know something is coming doesn't make it not scary. If that's the case for you, then good for you. But for many others, knowing something is going to happen can actually make it even scarier. If you cannot understand why that is, then there is no helping this argument and we should just agree to disagree.
I do very much agree that at least the police should have been involved after the gardener accident, but that is just another thing that could have happened off screen. Either way, it barely made me mad. :/ Mainly because as you said, we learn as the main character learns. I can't remember for sure, but wasn't Sally sent to bed right after that little accident? Therefore she wouldn't have seen the police come in. But that's all just a theory anyway. Hopefully it's a deleted scene or something.
Once again, I never made fun of your critique. I was just defending someone who I was agreeing with. I barely read your post, and I wasn't talking to you.. Forum battles, dude. :P Fight immaturity with immaturity. You calling people mentally challenged tells me how seriously I should take your opinion.
And the whole "was the library scene strong or weak" is 100% an opinionated debate! Because I can honestly say I was very intrigued during that whole scene, and it totally strengthened the creepy aspect of seeing Sally's identical drawing later on. I got chills. Now you can say that's because I haven't watched enough movies or something, but that's a whole separate argument. And a stupid argument at that.
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MrCharles
13 years ago
DonkeyKong wins; this film is weak and his posts speak to that issue quite clearly. Yes, it's all opinion but he was at least backing his opinions up with sound reasoning, whereas you mostly talked about how the film made you feel. Methinks you are easily impressed... that must be nice.
I can go back and forth with "No. Yes. No. Yes. No. Yes." because it's easy.
...but, why? Why do somethings so asinine and pointless? Seriously, I'm honestly curious why someone would have arguments of zero substance "all day" simply because it's easy. Enlighten me.
"Specificity?"
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Black_PuddleT5
13 years ago
It was a joke. I'm just saying we can go back and forth for days with these short "asinine and pointless" comments, but they will just lead nowhere. Read between the lines?
And now are we going to start arguing over what makes a critic correct? What next, how the earth was created? The connection between those two debates is that it is something we can debate about for days and NEVER reach an outcome. "Pointless," don't you think?
So let's just try to cut to it. Do I think this movie was a masterpiece? No. Would I even call it good? Probably. But there are many aspects of it that deserve to be defended, like the bedsheets scene.
You should also know that I'm comparing it to other modern horror films, which, as of recently, are not scary and have no essence. This movie tried a bit harder and took itself more seriously by not relying much on gore, cheap loud scare tactics, or nudity. That fact alone is proof that this movie, as a modern say horror film, is not weak.
But then again, I should just say it's weak so I don't have to keep going around in circles with you people..
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Sweet_and_Lowdown77
13 years ago
I think the A.D.D generation enjoy cheap jump moments. That's what the bedroom scene is. If there was a noise, that she goes under the sheet to investigate and you didn't know if it was real or just her imagination, then suspense builds and when the creature appears it's a genuine scare moment.
With us seeing the monster go under the sheet, we know she's going to find the monster - there wasn't even a mis-direction - so you know the jump is coming. It's just a matter of when. All the suspense is taken out of the moment.
That's why that scene is weak. You know the monster is there. And it's a monster smaller than her doll.
And why do the monsters wait until the film's climax to try to take her? They had numerous chances throughout the film including when she unlocks the grate and peers inside the basement hole. From the opening scene of the film, we're shown that the creatures have the ability to drag a man (3 times her weight) into the hole and down with them. So why did they not just take her then? Or the several other times they were alone with her?
I am not comparing this to any other films. I'm judging this film and this film alone.
All the choices I felt the filmmakers made were weak. Was it well-acted? Sure. Well shot? Yes. Good score? yes... that's why I didn't say it was "bad"... it was simply not good. It was vanilla, bland, but I reserve the comment "bad" for TRANSFORMERS 2, GI JOE, THE WOLFMAN... bad films that made no sense. This film made sense, it was just weak.
Understand?
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Black_PuddleT5
13 years ago
To me a cheap scare moment is when loud music bursts yous ears and the camera goes crazy but nothing is really happening. (Perfect example is in Boogeyman when the main character goes into the closet) But you still get startled becuase of the abrupt noise. Another thing is, keep in mind that we still didn't know what the creatures really looked like until that scene. This was like their grand unveiling. But I'm not repeating myself a 3rd time about why that scene deserves credit.
But about the other point, I guess the reason I personally didn't care about why the fairies hadn't tried to take her sooner was because I ironically know a lot about fairies, (I'm an art major, and had to study them for certain projects) one thing being that they are extremely playful and non-consistent/adolescent beings. They'll do things that don't make any sense, but in the end will do whatever it takes to get their way. Basically they were playing with their food. Remember how one of them pretended to be her toy bear?
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