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Well this Jane surely isn't plain


Jane was meant to be plain and they cast this gorgeous elf-like actress??
God, if the people in charge of the movie saw her as plain, they have what I'd call impossibly high standards. Even without any makeup it's obvious she's beautiful.

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I've heard people describe Mia Wasikowska in this role, and others, as plain looking, even ugly - maybe they associate beauty with makeup and a certain packaged generic model-type look. I agree with you that she is beautiful in Jane Eyre, despite the severe look - I also think there's the case for inner beauty that captures some and is possibly invisible to others. Many have also said that Michael Fassbender is too handsome. In both cases, I'll accept their physical attractiveness because they're both really wonderful, talented actors. Were Joan Fontaine and Orson Welles unattractive? NO. Is Timothy Dalton difficult to look at? Me thinks not. But I appreciate your point of view - beauty, as they say, is in the eye of the beholder, apparently you have 20/20 vision.

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I'm glad to see serious answers in this thread :)
I would say even if I understand that fact from the point of view of the audience, it's a shame we never have ugly or just plain heroines. I consider myself ugly to plain and would have liked to physically identify with an heroine, if you see what I mean.
Moreover, if a film is truly good and the actors are talented, is beauty required to keep the audience's attention?
Anyway the subject of beauty in cinema is quite an interesting one.
By the way do you ever wonder how much the beauty of an actor/actress is influencing your opinion on his/her ability to act?
(I'm sorry if I don't elaborate my answer, sleep is catching up on me.)

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Anyway the subject of beauty in cinema is quite an interesting one


I agree.

There are lots of things that go into keeping an audience's attention - different actors do it in different ways, and different audiences respond in different ways - some actors are considered beautiful and some may be considered homely, either way their appearance does have an effect on the audience, as does their style of acting and their inner being, which is also being projected. Was Humphrey Bogart or James Cagney handsome, or Jack Nicholson, at least in a conventional sense? Ernest Borgnine was a very fine actor and got lots of work because of his ability combined with his appearance. Samantha Morten played Jane Eyre in an earlier film, she could be considered plain, I suppose - she's a very fine actor and has a variety of impressive performances in her filmography. There are, of course, many "beautiful" actors and actresses who have established themselves as stars but aren't necessarily thought of as having great acting ability. It's definitely rougher on women, throughout the history of film - WAY, WAY rougher, which is a reflection on our society's attitudes.

If someone isn't conventionally beautiful they often are seen as character actors rather than leads, and they get supporting roles, but often the most interesting parts and the best actors are character actors. It's much easier for a male to be a star/character actor without being necessarily handsome, like Dustin Hoffman in his prime. At the same time, it's more difficult for a woman to be both, WAY more difficult, and if her career is founded only on her beauty and not at least equally her acting ability, this makes getting older and changing the nature of her roles very difficult, the beauty thing becomes a trap, a limitation.

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I hate to be superficial but its unlikely that any film would be received as well if the main cast were truly plain and ugly. Especially in a movie like this, you have to be emotionally attached to the characters and the first step to achieving that is physical attraction.

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Well, no one want to see ugly people in the TV.
I can only assume that they cast someone that we as audience are supposed to feel for and perceive as beautiful, just like they all realize that she is/always was.

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I don't think we're ever likely to see an ugly actress play Jane. Ain't gonna happen! They've all been attractive in their way. 

I remember an old thread discussing this subject (long since gone, I fear). The thought was that perhaps Bronte's use of the word "plain" just meant unadorned and "Quakerish". However, I found this passage in Elizabeth Gaskell's biography of Charlotte Bronte:

She once told her sisters that they were wrong - even morally wrong - in making their heroines beautiful as a matter of course. They replied that it was impossible to make a heroine interesting on any other terms. Her answer was, 'I will prove to you that you are wrong; I will show you a heroine as plain and as small as myself, who shall be as interesting as any of yours.' Hence Jane Eyre, said she in telling the anecdote....

So plain here is the antithesis of physical beauty.




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Of the pictures and paintings I've seen of Charlotte Bronte, I personally haven't seen any that I found all that unattractive. There are different standards of beauty during different periods, and I'm sure she saw herself that way and her mental attitude was one of not attempting to pretty herself up in order to gain societal approval - she felt strongly about that. Bronte was intelligent and defiant - especially for her era. Even today women are criticized if they don't fix themselves up to match the current concept of beauty. There definitely was an early feminist attitude in Jane Eyre.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WDirs9ETuNY/USB-X7wsiBI/AAAAAAAAATg/Vb7ruBXO I9k/s1600/CB+photo.jpg

An additional note:

If anyone would like to at least dress the part of Jane (any lady, I assume) get out your credit card now and check this out. Remember to pull back your hair and wash off your makeup.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mia-Wasikowska-Screen-Worn-Dress-from-Jane-Eyr e-hero-Period-Gown-Judi-Dench-/201273925979?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0& hash=item2edcdc615b&rmvSB=true

Mia Wasikowska at recent Madame Bovary red carpet appearance, looking at herself in the very same dress.

http://explore.bfi.org.uk/sites/explore.bfi.org.uk/files/image/2014101 2-lff-madame-bovary-red-carpet-1920X1080.jpg

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If anyone would like to at least dress the part of Jane (any lady, I assume) get out your credit card now and check this out. Remember to pull back your hair and wash off your makeup.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mia-Wasikowska-Screen-Worn-Dress-from-Jane-Eyr e-hero-Period-Gown-Judi-Dench-/201273925979?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0& hash=item2edcdc615b&rmvSB=true



At first, I thought it was just a replica of the dress, then I saw the price  I wonder why they chose to make it a "buy it now". They could probably sell it for a small fortune if they auctioned it off instead.


It should be pointed out that the dress does not correspond to the style of the 1930s in which the majority of this novel takes place, as this movie is set a decade later than the novel.

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Yeah, the last two "Jane Eyre's" I saw were Ruth Wilson and Charlotte Gainsbourg, who many find either beautiful or interesting-looking, but certain aren't ugly or plain-looking. Just be glad they didn't give the role to some talentless American "hottie" like Blake Lively.

Your complaint here is perfectly valid, but hardly one limited to THIS particular movie.

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Your complaint here is perfectly valid, but hardly one limited to THIS particular movie.


this 2:30 min video clip addresses this issue near the end.

Tour of Haddon Hall, Derbyshire, film location for Fukunaga's "Jane Eyre" - with Hall rep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMfQBLneLLY&feature=youtu.be

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To each his own. It's hard looking attractive with that hideous hairstyle, but I think the actress is average looking.

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I watched both the 1943 version and this one today. I have not read the book but saw a similar thread on that board about Joan Fontaine being too pretty to the role and not looking as plain as it is described in the novel. I totally agreed with that and was one of the things I looked out for in this one It worked much better in the scenes where she was called ugly.

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I watched a version of Jane Eyre starring two actresses. Anna Pacquin played the role as a cute as a button child. The adult role was with Charlotte Gainsbourg.

I thought to myself this is the first actress who wasn't classically pretty pretending to be plain by leaving makeup off. I like to see Charlotte act and think she is attractive in her own way though.



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After replying to a totally different comment of mine just a few minutes ago I checked your profile and noticed how similar our messageboard history is:D

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Wow, we have many interests in common. Yes, youtube has so much high quality educational content and random interesting documentaries lately.
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They have some fascinating analysis on recent hacks of the DNC, etc.

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Actually I thought she pulled off "plain" quite well.

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