Was Red John psychic?


Despite the fact that fake-psychic Patrick Jane claimed "there's no such thing as psychics" based on the fact that he himself was able to simulate psychic abilities through mentalism, we do get some clues that he was wrong, and that real psychics did exist in his world.

Kristina Frye did show some promise for being a real psychic; if she was a mentalist/cold reader, she was very poor at it.
In Byzantium there was a volunteer psychic who wanted to help solve a double murder case. I forget how that turned out.
As Red John was being strangled by Jane, he uttered, "I have psychic ab... (gurgle."

I am of the mind that there is no skeptic greater than a good faker, as was Jane, and as was Randall Zwinge (The Amazing Randi). They deny psychic claims not on evidence, but on their ability to outperform real psychics with tricks.

Real psychics don't work that way; they rely on the limits of their ability, and often they cannot perform the 'repeatable experiment' so demanded by science. Sometimes it's just an intermittent ability, one that shows itself unexpectedly then goes to rest until the next time.

And, on the other hand, some so-called psychics ARE fakers or self-deluded, and sometimes coincidence is mistaken for psychism.

Since most psychic occurrences are only backed up by anecdotal evidence, it's hard to prove.

Impossible is illogical.
Lack of evidence is not proof.
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Ed da kine Sun Rising Up

(but going down here at my place at moment, fire coming soon, brrrrrrrr ;-)

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Get to lotta 'stuff' you write about above, but later on all that

For now this One Thing ...


Who/what/where/how/why/etc are you basing your statement that McA was RJ ?

Was his hand around the throat of Mrs Jane and Daughter, he held knife/etc ?

AND ... how are you defining 'RJ' ?

etc etc etc ?


Yea, know this is a replow of same ground we've plowed more than once
But hope YOU 'see' what moi is pointing to, what I Am asking You Are about ?

(ty ty)

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Gabriel was the 'psychic' in byzantium.
Why can't they predict their demise?

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Grimlock ...

Thanks for bringing up Gabriel and Series Fin/End

Know Ed and I been working/talking/considering/deciphering/etc

Anything/Everything involved with any/all Reality/Metaphorical Allusions/etc

That connect/bridge/etc between Show/Psychics/etc and Real World Science/etc

... sorta follow/understand ? ... good, then please explain 'it' to moi ? (ty tyvm, wink)


What me do know, am still in process of re-do/re-watch/re-digest of Season 7/Fin/End

Should be done soon, least the 'watching', but digesting/etc ? ... yea, chew/burp/munch


AND ... and THIS is perhaps The BFD in all This/That

What is "Psychic" ? ... how is that defined in some Global Specific Sense/etc ?

And in a 'Way/Fashion' that even Dorothy could follow the Yellow Brick Bread Crumbs ?

... etc etc, on and on ... but hope you 'see/get' the Thing I Am pointing to ... The Question ?


Now ... me gotta lotta thoughts/sniffings/suspicions/etc ... all that chewing/digesting

But gets very complicated when Bridging between Show/Mentalist and Real World Science

The 'Show/Series Part' is One Thing ... that 'Other' is another, and here's one place to start ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parapsychology

... etc etc ... and remember, those Links link to more Links

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Ok, if excuse me for a while, get back to that ReWatch/ReView/Gesting and Digesting

And one of these Days/Posts/etc ... will go Big Time Prose, aka pass on the Poeticals

(yep, you been warned ;-)

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I think Red John really was psychic. There's no other way he could have stayed 10 steps ahead of Patrick Jane all of the time. Patrick was just too good to be had that easily, unless someone did possess a supernatural ability. With that said, I do not believe psychics exist in the real world. Check out someone named James Randi. He is a renowned skeptic who has debunked many "psychics."

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James Randi? The master of deception and trickery? That guy could debunk Jesus raising Lazarus.

While I admit that he has brought lucidity to some who were fooling themselves, and has exposed numerous charlatans (bless his soul - if he believes in one), there are also reports that:

1. People with reliable abilities failed in the presence of his negativity but were able to perform before and after their encounter with him.

2. Several participants have claimed that his restrictions upon them were so strict that they made it impossible to perform to his standards.

Frankly, I believe everyone has access to non-physical information, to one degree or another. That said, there are some who have more control over their paranormal abilities (for instance, Ingo Swann), but mostly psychic phenomenon follows its own rules - that's why it's called 'paranormal.'

I and people with whom I am acquainted have reported so-called "impossible" experiences, usually not under their own control and not at their volition: seeing the future through dreams which manifest in excruciating detail days later, communing with disembodied consciousnesses, performing deliberate psychokinesis, etc.

However, no researcher was present, so the debunkers just say, "it's only anecdotal." *beep*, most of our lives are anecdotal, that doesn't mean it didn't happen, only that there's no witness to corroborate our very real experience.

Show psychics, like Patrick Jane, are obviously 'cold readers and frauds,' while real psychics cannot perform with such regularity and dependability.

Psychic happens to you, you rarely happen to it, if you get my meaning.

Psychic phenomenon are real. It's just that people expect real psychics to perform like frauds, and that ain't gonna happen.

Red John must have been an exceptional psychic to pull off all he did - far beyond all the REAL psychics I have encountered. So, in story terms, yes, he was psychic, but far above the abilities of any psychic I have worked with.

I once worked with the Institute of Noetic Sciences, under Edgar D. Mitchell. I have seen successes and failures. I am no parapsychological expert, but "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe..."

Impossible is illogical.
Lack of evidence is not proof.
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If Red John were to be a psychic, the whole premise of the show would be invalid and it would be lazy writing ( more than usual) . Bruno himself said in an interview that the whole point of the series was to showcase how you can do all of he thing this so called psychics can do by just means of observation and logical thinking. Giving the villain the very same "superpower that the show puts " on trail" would be beyond idiotic.

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There is no logical explanation for how Red John knew about Jane's list because Jane was the only person who knew it even existed. The only way this could be explained is that Red John was really psychic. How else do you explain why Red John was able to stay 10 steps ahead of Jane all of the time? The premise of the show was not that psychics don't exist. It was Jane's opinion that psychics don't exist.

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Tiger-Tiger.
Red John stayed one step of Jane because he was well connected into the Task Force and Jane's investigation.

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Think about this. Jane's boss was one of Red John's agents. He probably saw every piece of paper Jane or the other Task Force members ever wrote on.

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