Comweb30:
Rushing the gunman would have been SUICIDE. You CANNOT expect from civilian boys just out of school, unarmed and untrained, to ATTACK A RIFLE-TOTING MANIAC HEAD-ON.
It is stupid to compare the situation to WWII (I'm talking to you, "Pilatunes"). In a war, you are ARMED and TRAINED to kill the enemy. An UNARMED soldier (e.g. out of ammo or without his weapon) is not expected to STORM AN ARMED ENEMY WHO IS HOLDING HIM AT GUNPOINT. In this situation, most soldiers would RUN AWAY or SURRENDER, so that they would LIVE TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY.
To inject a little common sense into the discussion: the semi-automatic Mini-14 Ruger used by Lepin fires a .223 (5,56mm, the NATO Assault Rifle caliber) slug as fast as you can pull the trigger.
Lepine's rifle was equipped with a 30 ROUNDS MAGASINE (see coroner report http://www.diarmani.com/Montreal_Coroners_Report.pdf) - which basically meant 30 people dead or incapacitated before he even had to change the magasine. And he had another 30 round magasine and also a 5 round magasine at hand.
With this kind of weapon in his hands, rushing Lupin would probably have resulted in MANY MORE casualties than the 14 that eventually happened. So even if the students DIDN'T have an INSTINCT OF SELF-PRESERVATION AT ALL, and were willing to SACRIFICE THEIR LIVES UNQUESTIONABLY, there is serious doubt whether the amount of casualties would have been less and not MORE.
Finally, you're BLATANTLY IGNORING THE FACT THAT LUPIN SHOT FOUR MEN along with the women. Most likely, these men were TRYING TO STOP Lupin, otherwise he had no reason to shoot them (his mania was directed at women only). Which means there were at least four heroes who tried to attack an armed killer while themselves being unarmed.
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So, first of all, LEARN THE FACTS before coming up with unrealistic claims.
Second of all, RESPECT THE VICTIMS. By denigrating the behaviour of the students, you demonstrate the lack of respect towards them as victims of the attack, and you also smear the memory of those four men who were shot by Lepin.
Third, DON'T THINK TOO HIGHLY OF YOURSELF. Personally, I am certain that in a similar situation you would have crapped your pants. Your aggressive, ignorant and disrespectful posts demonstrate a LACK OF CHARACTER. Usually, such bluster is used to cover up INNER WEAKNESS. You are weak, but afraid to admit it to yourself, so you try to hide it behind bluster and braggadoccio, putting down other people to make yourself look better. Life pulls down all masks, though, so pray you don't ever find yourself in such a situation, because then your true colors will show, and you will be ashamed.
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Pilatunes
13 years ago
It's you who should learn the facts. He shot the helpless women in the classroom. The men he killed he shot randomly after he left the classroom. There is no evidence whatsovever to suggest that they were trying to overcome him in anyway.
WRT to his weapon, I am quite familiar with it. It is a comparitively long weapon, which means that at close proximity he'd have had great trouble bring the muzzle to bear in close quarters. Note that the men in the class walked by him in quite close proximity when exiting the class.
'You are weak, but afraid to admit it to yourself, so you try to hide it behind bluster and braggadoccio'
Pretty predictable response really. Fortunately, I know myself better than you and know that you are wrong. There are people with courage. The prof at Virginia Tech who died blocking the door, preventing the gunman from entering his class.
I can only assume from your reaction that you are one of the cowards that went squealing or are just a french guy who knows how embarassing the whole thing is.
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carlphillips408
13 years ago
it is customary for the male to jump in & take control of the situation only when it suits the females fancy.in disastrous times such as this,it is important that the male keeps safe anything & anybody that would effect the outcome of the situation...mainly himself.
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angloo
13 years ago
Ridiculous post intended to anger and shame men. Guess what? I would use the flee instinct (yes, INSTINCT) to save myself and try to get help in that situation. So would the vast majority of humanity. Only those trained in armed combat might---MIGHT---take a rush at the gunman, and not if his weapon were so powerful that it would be a suicide mission.
Not to mention the fact that these were students, possibly friends, but not family or lovers, so the idea of sacrificing oneself to save someone not close to you seems to have eluded the misandrist OP.
As for the gun nut who suggested the men all be armed...yeah, that never ends badly.
Save yourself, then try to save others. Otherwise you may not get to do either. That is not cowardice. It's human nature.
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shadow_boxin
12 years ago
It's amazing how many white knights openly state that men should die for women as if society hasn't adopted that whole "equality" thing yet.
Would you like to cite a study that explains how men are less vulnerable to bullets compared to women to support your idiotic argument?
Why didn't the women rush the gunman? There were 9 of them after all.
And on a less serious note: 50+ guys and 9 women... yea, sounds like an engineering class, lol.
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