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Hollywood Hypocrisy at its Finest


Not only did Ben Affleck star in the movie, but around the time of the film's release he could be found criticizing CEO salaries. This from a man who reportedly makes around $15 million per film, surely around 200x what the makeup artists, key grips, janitors, etc. associated with his films make. It's truly confounding that very seldom is this pointed out to actors like Affleck, Clooney, Pitt and all the other uber-rich liberals in Hollywood. The response of most liberal friends of mine when I raise this question is "But these guys worked HARD to get where they are at, and it is their SUPREME TALENT along with that hard work that gets them to top to earn what they earn...." I always get a laugh out of this, since it shows no clue about the talent, hard work, and sacrifice it takes to become a top-earning CEO.

Hollywood hypocrisy knows no bounds.

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That's a good point. My liberal friends ALSO defend the high salaries of actors, and then turn-round and say that CEOs make too much money. If they were consistent, they would say it's wrong for BOTH ceos and actors to make millions a year. (Or else recognize that top jobs deserve top pay, regardless of the field.)

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Stop generalizing, I don't defend actors salaries and I'm liberal. I've only seen conservatives defend them.

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Agree, top CEOs, actors, athletes are in the single digit % and their salaries reflect their elite positions. But then there are the not so elite of those groups that seem to be doing alright as well. ;)

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A large percentage of the highly-paid actors' salaries goes into show business unions that support actors and everyone else associated with the movie business. That's magnanimity, not hypocrisy. Over-paid CEOs don't support anyone but their greedy selves.

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A large percentage of the highly-paid actors' salaries goes into show business unions


That's a load of crap. All SAG/AFTRA members pay the same dues no matter what their salaries. there are currently more than 120,000 members and less than 10% of them are making enough to pay the rent. Yet they still have to pay the same union dues as the A listers. How is that magnanimity?

SAG?AFTRA tells its members where they can work. It forbids them from taking non-union jobs even if doing so would help a struggling actor put food on the table. SAG/AFTRA, like all unions, doesn't give two *beep* about its members. It cares only about gaining and maintaining power.

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There are some differences. Ben Affleck has a product to sell: his abilities as an actor and the draw due to his name. For one project at a time he negotiates a selling price and sells that product. If his box office goes down or he has a bomb, what he can get can drop significantly. He is also one of a very small number of individuals who can command that type of salary in the acting profession.

On the other hand, CEOs set their own salary. They may negotiate their initial pay package, but from then on they can pay themselves whatever they want, regardless of their performance. Now, you may say that they have to get approval of a board of directors, but keep in mind that that board is composed of peers, usually people in the same position in other companies. They all think they are worth that much. They form a club of high earners supporting each other. Ben Affleck is negotiating with someone who is going to give him as little money as they can get him to agree to and he has to be worth $15 million to a producer for them to justify paying that. CEOs negotiate with either nobody at all or a board who often are just a rubber stamp.

I agree that many, maybe most, CEOs have gotten there through talent and hard work (but often not that much sacrifice) and they deserve high salaries. A few million a year is a very high salary. But, more than $100 million a year? Quite a few make that and often they are with companies not even doing that well.

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Late the to show, but Charles, you make some excellent points which will unfortunately not register with the "liberals bad/Hollywood is bad" nonsense being spewed by the OP and others.

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The only CEOs making $100 million a year are people in charge of hedge funds or are being paid with stocks/options that they will not be able to touch for years.

It is said that actors have a product to sell? So do CEOs. Imagine CEO X, he has a ton of experience in management, he is brilliant, he went to a great school. He is also a very hard worker, he has stayed with a company for decades, and now, he is being rewarded. He makes $2 million a year to manage the company.

Now, take CEO Y. The same company above decides not to go with CEO X. Why? Because all the hard work, and sacrifice, will not allow the company to take its next leap forward. So, what do they do? They go out and get CEO Y, who does all of the above, but also has international connections, domestic connections to other major CEOs, and their companies. Him being hired connects this company with other companies, politicians, and entirely new markets. The sacrifice the company makes? Paying the man $20 million. Like athletes and actors, he has a "product" to sell. His connections.

Look, I appreciate that wretched corruption exists. I also appreciate the disdain for CEOs who make tons when a ship is sinking, but businessmen, like anyone else, have a product and talent to sell.

Besides that, athletes are paid with tax dollars. When our taxes pay for an $800 million stadium, it absolves the "business" that profits from the team the responsibility to pay upwards of ten years worth of player salary. This means... WE pay their salary. And, personally, I find it offensive that people justify Michael Vick, a typical thug, making 20 million, and get all bent out of shape, and picket outside of a home, of a business mogul who makes the same.

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You obviously don't understand how a CEO's salary fluctuates in a given year. And you obviously don't understand that w/o an agent actor's like Affleck would be lost in the midst of other actors trying to be that 1% of entertainers. Agents negotiate the actor's salary, to passive incomes (residuals), to how they are credited in a given project. Also, Affleck's name isn't an opener ... his name alone did not garner this into breaking even. In fact, his name was never a crowd gatherer.

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A few people did point out that these actors probably came from normal background with working families so they know the value of it. Sure they are big time actors now making millions because they got their lucky break and sort of mocking us by pretending to be struggling corporate workers. Yes, A-list actors and pro athletes are paid too much but this can't be another case of comparing them to the normal everyday hard working folks. We already know the world is imbalance.

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So what you're saying is that if Hollywood makes a movie about the working class, it should hire poor, unknown actors. If Hollywood makes a movie about rich elites, then it's fine to use A-list stars. Otherwise, they're hypocrites.

Have I got that right?

The difference between CEOs and actors is that the CEOs run the company that determines the pay of all the people who work in it. A Hollywood star does not own a company of thousands of workers who rely on him/her and who set their salaries low, or fire them and hire cheaper actors so they can live in luxury. That's what the avg CEO does. The avg CEO of the top US companies makes 900x the average worker of the same company. The CEOs tell us it's "education and skills" that determine salary, when in fact they are offshoring jobs to China and India for cheaper labor, not skills. Also, I daresay many stars in Hollywood have great talent and provide a real entertainment service, that millions of Americans see and affects their culture. The value of corporate managers however, is questionable, since many of them hold their jobs as favors and sinecures, and often ruin companies or just layoff thousands and offshore to "make profit" for shareholders. I question the value of corporate managers more than A-list actors, since there are also so many more of them, and many of them have actually ruined our economy and done a lot of damage, while selling the idea that average Americans are lazy and unskilled, and that we must now compete with China in order to have worth. Meanwhile they rake in obscene salaries for basically doing very little except finding new ways to make more profit, or expand companies that are already doing fine without their "help".

So where's the real hypocrisy? Not in Hollywood.

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"The avg CEO of the top US companies makes 900x the average worker of the same company."

No they don't. All that data is based off of "Top 50 companies" or "Top 100 companies". The average CEO, according to Forbes, makes about 176k. That is considerably less than several medical and engineering specialties, to name a few.

I just went through my entire stock portfolio, 12 companies, and the highest paid CEO makes 73x the national average income.

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First of all, you're looking at the MEDIAN salary, not the average. The median is the middle of all salaries. There are lots of companies in the US, and many companies are struggling, meaning that many CEOs are not making anything. But even if you take the media, you're getting $176K base salary + all the perks such as stock options, etc. which is pretty good.

Now, if you take the AVERAGE of all CEO pay, then it's actually much higher, about $750K base salary:
http://www1.salary.com/Chief-Executive-Officer-salary.html

And that's without all the perks, stock options etc.

Now, you're right that the 900x figure must be from the top 50 companies as you say. But even if we take the S&P 500, the average CEO pay is 354 times that of the average worker:

http://money.cnn.com/2013/04/15/news/economy/ceo-pay-worker/index.html

So, we're both wrong. But I think the trend is clear: CEOs of companies that hire workers at minimum wage (like Walmart) and others make an obscene amount of money in comparison to their workers, to where it's really a slave economy, esp. when you consider the offshoring and outsourcing that has been happening in the US over the past few decades. The American dream is really just a dream for many and will stay that way.


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Looking at the average salary is an inept way to determine the how unequal a given household is compared to another. A better way to look PER CAPITA.

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More nonsense from DC177. If you READ my entire post, instead of skimming the first lines, then you'd see that I pointed out the flaws of looking at both average and median salary. Worse, you talk about "per capita"--per capita WHAT??
Are you saying we should add all the CEOs salaries together, and then divide it up by how many CEOs there are? Isn't that...an...AVERAGE?
A country's GDP divided by the population is the per-capita GDP, an AVERAGE, genius.

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I lifted this post from another site, but it sums up what I think is happening:

People don't understand what you're saying because they have the mindset of a serf. They've been indoctrinated so well to love the word 'capitalism' that to find any fault in capitalism invokes an almost religious/belief-like response. To them, to find fault in capitalism is to find fault in America.
Once upon a time, capitalism was in full swing, upward mobility was great and you could work your way from the bottom to the top. Now, capitalism is like ponzi-scheme. Show 1 person who made it and the masses have false hope that it can happen to them. They believe and believe and hope that if they work hard enough into the scheme that they'll be the lucky lotto winner and get their payoff and forget the piles of others just like them that it didn't work out for. When you tell them they're in a capitalism pipedream with a glass ceiling for all but a few, they don't look at the research, they lash out, like a ponzi-scheme victim.
You show them data regarding the reverse income distribution from the poor and middle class to the ultra-rich (.1%), how the Walton family won't give health care but has more wealth than the bottom 45% of America, how upward mobility is at its lowest levels since the great depression and how CEOs essentially have a separate system of negotiation that favors their rapid expansion of wage ( Interlocking Directorate ) and all they do is dig in deeper. Its like a faith. Capitalism has been perverted from rewarding hard work to rewarding greed.

I don't necessarily see any system as flawless, certainly not socialism, but I do like this quote:

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." - John Steinbeck

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I'm a Socialist. Capitalism isn't a negative itself, but what we typically see, the warped, corrupt, borderline-Fascist, "Capitalism" here in the USA, is not something I'm a fan of.

The only time you'll ever see me defend CEOs' exurbanite salary is when it was near exclusively their talent that led to fortune, or when someone is under the belief that somehow they are less deserving of millions than some guy throwing a ball being paid by our tax dollars, or an actor/musician with a "product to sell".

As for Socialism, like Capitalism, corruption is the reason it fails, not what is theorized otherwise. Socialism breeds an elitist class just like Capitalism. Every ruling, elitist, class has opposition... which leads to economic maneuvering to gain their own power.

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Brilliant post. And of course 99% of people are too empty headed to get it

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>>I'm a Socialist. As for Socialism, like Capitalism, corruption is the reason it fails, not what is theorized otherwise. Socialism breeds an elitist class just like Capitalism. Every ruling, elitist, class has opposition... which leads to economic maneuvering to gain their own power.

Dear G_d. You make pretty good points in the rest of your posts, but you're a socialist? I know capitalism isn't perfect, but I find those who are socialists tend to like the idea (the theory -- ironically) more than the actual results (again, ironic). Crony capitalism sucks, but capitalism in it of itself is the better economic system.

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I seriously doubt you know what "capitalism" means. You like most of america think it means free enterprise. It doesnt. In fact usually the opposite. Every successful nation on earth is socialist. Most are also capitalist. The MOST successful are socio-capitalist.. the united states included. Social security, insurance systems, welfare, medicaid, public highways etc etc. But someone told you to hate something once so you chant the mantra. Think.. dont follow the herd.

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>>Have I got that right?

No. The post didn't even touch on how casting should be done.

As for the rest of your post(s) ... you definitely drank the "People of America have been fooled that capitalism works while rejecting socialism" Kool-Aid. And John Steinbeck, though a great writer, isn't someone I would go to in order to discredit capitalism let alone how the actually economy works. Leave his inspirational quotes regarding socialism in the pages where it belongs.

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The post didn't touch on how the casting should be done? Tell me, then..how did Affleck get the part, if he was not cast? If you criticize an actor for taking a part, because his real life does not match the character he plays, this is a criticism against casting.

As for Kool-Aid, seems like you are one of those people who thinks economics is SOO complicated, that the average man should not weigh in on it, and you think you look smart by telling people that, while not explaining what you know (which is probably nothing). Let me tell you something, I took Micro and Macroeconomics in college, and after a certain point, it's a lot of theory that NOBODY can agree on. So it's not like a hard science where you need a PhD to speak intelligently about.
Much of it has to do with VALUES, and it is a POLITICAL issue as well.
I've seen so many of you "Business should be left to the experts" kind, you belong to a special class of kool-aid drinkers.

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Following your (flawed) logic, all actors are hypocrites.
If we were forbidden to preach or to hear preaching until we practiced, we would all be deaf and dumb.

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His logic isn't flawed - you just didn't "get" his post.

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Although I do not personally know what CEO's are like, I suspect that many or all of them feel they have created a means for their employees to survive ... I guess this would apply to those who started their businesses. However ... theoretically ... their talent and grit gets the job done of keeping a company afloat so it can continue to employee its talent. Also, during downturns, employees can be laid off but will be invited back often when things improve.

As far as Ben and athletes go, they are probably embodiments of one of the first rules of busienss: charge what the market will bear. Plus, don't forget, these guys often probably have to invest in full-time security people and a huge expense, mainly if female, for clothes, and just exhibiting the lifestyle expected of them. Can you imagine what Miley Cyrus's bodyguard expenses must be now?

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