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Why are the two chinese men gay?


Their sexual orientation and relationship didn't seem to serve any purpose to the story whatsoever, and their storyline was never even resolved. It seems like Iñarritu threw in this "subplot" just for shock value or dramatic filler.

This kind of sums up Iñarritu's work for me: pretentious and forcefully depressing. Can he do anything other that put his characters through a gauntlet of the worst situations and events he can come up with? I don't mean to say he's not good at what he does, but he does nothing else. You'd think that after Arriaga left he'd go and explore some other territory.

I know people will hate me for this. He's the lesser member of the three Amigos in my opinion.

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I think it serves a purpose.

I see this movie as dealing with contrasts. Bardem is a good man and a horrible man. His wife is a good mother and a horrible mother (makes sense that she is bi-polar too). The Chinese men are also opposites. One is gay while the other has a family. One is good while the other is horrible (though the good one becomes bad ~ showing MORE CONTRAST). There are tons of opposites in this movie which I think is one of the themes.

Contrasts are what makes us/life biutiful.


Just my $.02



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so why was the brother sleeping with uxbal's wife?

why did uxbal went to see the old lady?

why did the african guy sold drugs?

why did the the cop took bribe?

the chinese couple was a perfect symbolism. ying and yang. the younger guy was a typical gay bi...ch who whines about everything, exploits the poor ones and tries to manipulate the older guy who was a little more humane. the old one was the hypocrite while having a conservative eastern family life , sinning and enjoiyng different paths of sex. ( if he was seeing another gay guy around his ages it would be at least a bit more honest)

so they showed us another fault sides of people. just likes uxbals dilemma of being illegal but goodwilled at the same time.

sorry for my bad english.

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I was coming in here to ask the same bloody question! It was almost distracting having those characters gay. And I say this as a gay person who would like to see more portrayals of textured gay characters in film. It really made NO sense. And that boyfriend in particular was a cardboard cutout of an evil character.

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I think the reason everyone is bewildered about the relevance of the gay characters' subplot is because it was all explained by one short, wordless scene that was very easy to miss, coming as it did at the tail end of a long, slow, melancholy film.

You really had to be paying attention when the bloodied body of the younger Chinese guy was shown in bed as the older Chinese guy left the room. It was such a quiet, subdued scene that it probably didn't even register with a lot of viewers, whose attention may have wandered after two-plus hours of this cheerless film. And even if they did notice the body, it wasn't obvious that it was the younger Chinese guy (we couldn't see the face) or that the older Chinese guy was the killer.

But once you put it all together, the reason for them being gay becomes clear. The early scene in the bathroom where the older guy passionately kissed the younger guy established that the older guy loved the younger guy, so it had to have been heartbreakingly difficult for him to kill the younger guy when that man's betrayal threatened the older guy's family. This is relevant because it ties into the speech by the cop, who told Uxbal that you should never underestimate what a man can do when he has children to protect.

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ITA! It served it's like them being bi/gay was thrown in there just because.

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I believe that showing the initial homosexual encounter between the Chinese men allowed the viewer additional insight into their relationship from that point forward. From then on, we knew that they were not just business partners, but they had an emotional connection which could explain many of the choices they made in their business and otherwise. The older man's 'love' for the younger man seemed to influence his decisions in his business, and ultimately his decision to murder the younger man in order to protect his family.

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Sounds good but all of that is you writing the story. After their sexuality is introduced, there is NOTHING in the screenplay that connects that with any of the business decisions made... no dialogue or anything. The film fails here.

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///It seems like Iñarritu threw in this "subplot" just for shock value or dramatic filler. /// This kind of sums up Iñarritu's work for me: pretentious and forcefully depressing./////


I completely agree with you. Lots of overused "dark" clichees (hand-held camera work including), one after another. More than that, the dialogues were very poorly written. I can't help thinking that everybody can do such a job. Just put the camera into one's living room, record everything that's going on and screen it without editing.

As the result, with all that noise and dreariness, the movie lacks a genuine energy.

IMHO...


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Why does their have to be a "reason?" Some people are gay, just like some people are chinese... Do you need a reason for that too?

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Yet here's a reason: it's a sort of "filling" designated to fix somewhat a huge void that this movie is, and forcibly keep the attention of a tired viewer.

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One can have a sardonic explanation for the purpose of the two Chinese men and attribute it to a deficiency in the narrative structure/flow of the movie, and implicitly castigate the film's creators' for such a flaw, but that's not how I saw the relationship. In fact, I saw it has having a strong correspondence to the themes and relationships of other characters. Briefly, consider this. Why is there such an age discrepancy between the two men? Why is one of the few times we see them together when the young man 'invades' the family dinner of the older man? Well, to me it seemed evident, although I can't prove it, so you consider my view complete nonsense or having merit. Either way, it doesn't concern me much. Simply put, this 'relationship' depicts the problematic nature of the father/son relationships that pervade the motivations and emotions of most all the characters. The older Chinese man has a bifurcated allegiance: one to his own 'real family'; the other to the 'gay lover'; there's a third, also, which is his dominion over the illegals that he finds work for, albeit, it's not exactly the solution to their problems. The entire film has as its fulcrum the examination of what it means to be an adult, authority figure, father (and mother). Just think about nearly every relationship in the film: the two brothers and their father; the deported African that must leave his child; the cop that is supposed to be the 'protector' of society. I won't go on, but this is what 21st century life has bequeathed to us--a world where no one knows how to perform his/her role in the family, society, work, community.

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