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Am I the only person who likes this show???


Why does everyone hate this show, what did you expect?? A show that is 12 minutes every week isn't going to be absolutely amazing, but it is exactly what they said it would be: Like nothing else you've ever seen, and that is exactly what it is.

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Yes. You are the only person who likes this show.

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i laughed maybe 2 or 3 times during the whole 15 minute pilot. not horrible, but pretty damn close.

"A little bit of pain never hurt anybody." - Soap

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Did we all watch the same show? I just watched the first episode on Adult Swim.com and it was hilarious! I can't believe people who like Wonder Showzen don't like this show. I loved it.

I take my coffee like I take my women... strong... black... and proud.

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I totally agree, SalameDCZ.

And finally, I sometimes mistake signatures as a part of a post.

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I for one loved the show, the clever wordplay and ridiculous ego of the main character kept me laughing. The people who complain about the 'bad' graphics are stupid, because the style of the show is obviously supposed to look like that. When I first saw the show I didnt know it was by the makers of wonder showzen but it reminded me of wonder showzen, I think the way the hillbillies talk gave it away (chompsky-honk especially, I think chauncey said that one originally)

Anyone who doesn't like this show obviously doesn't "Get it" and can't click in with the humor. I HATE "12 oz mouse" because that show is LITERALLY directionless and has no music or anything to make it interesting, and its nothing like Xavier. I was reading some comments today where someone compared Xavier to 12 oz mouse.. you can't do that, they are completely different shows

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As far as I'm concerned, this show is two for two. I like it!

Beggers can't be choosers. Well, they can-but then they're just being a$$wholes.

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I like this show... It has similarities to Wonder Showzen's style of humour.

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It's hard to tell if the show was well written or psychedelically written, but either way this is funny on a level that most people don't agree with. I'm a fan of all sorts of comedy, and I must say that as far as random, stupid, "what the *beep* kinda of humor goes...this is the best there is, with a hint of genius.

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I correct myself:

After buying the DVD and watching it both *beep* up AND sober, I realize that there are different reactions.

When you're *beep* up (sadly I can't get stoned for job reasons, so I just get drunk)...well, naturally, this show totally screws with your mind. It sucks you into a surreal world that you can't break away from. You are so confounded by the visuals that you go braindead. Depending on the episode you watch, it can be a good or bad trip (my friends serve as examples of that)

When you're sober, you have to actually pay attention to wtf is going on. Much of the humor is based on fast paced, subtle notions and innuendos that are funny ONLY if you can catch them. Because of the speedy and discombobulated nature of the show, one might take awhile to catch a lot of these references.


So, while it appears to be targeted for stoners, and may seem like a mindless and random show, it is a random show with a well thought-out style of humor and peppered throughout the series in an intelligent manner (if that makes any sense).

However, I still have yet to figure out wtf is happening in season 2...

five midgets
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covered in thousand island dressing
is that love?

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I for one loved the show, the clever wordplay and ridiculous ego of the main character kept me laughing. The people who complain about the 'bad' graphics are stupid, because the style of the show is obviously supposed to look like that. When I first saw the show I didnt know it was by the makers of wonder showzen but it reminded me of wonder showzen, I think the way the hillbillies talk gave it away (chompsky-honk especially, I think chauncey said that one originally)

Anyone who doesn't like this show obviously doesn't "Get it" and can't click in with the humor. I HATE "12 oz mouse" because that show is LITERALLY directionless and has no music or anything to make it interesting, and its nothing like Xavier. I was reading some comments today where someone compared Xavier to 12 oz mouse.. you can't do that, they are completely different shows
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Yes, love this show aswell, and 12oz mouse is better.
It's alright you don't 'get it'.
'Has no music' are you high? The intro song by 9 Pound Hammer is great.
I now have all there music.

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I loved 12oz mouse. I watched it every time it was on and laughed the entire time. It is like that show got you high/drunk just watching it. It was so messed up.

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So I take it you find anything 3D amazing?

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yea dude, this show is pure nonsense in the best way possible. it ruled because its was so bizarre.

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It's pure nonsense with an over use of that echo effect. BRILLIANT.

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Sorry a long ass post follows.....This show is pure,unadulterated faux-existential bullsh!t from as far as what i can tell. If you liked the show,more power to you,I'm not gonna try to insult anyone about their personal taste because mine can get rather eclectic at times. Here's why i personally "hate" the show. IMO this show is the typical elitist garbage that [AS]airs periodically. Like say,ANY of the cheap Tim and Eric crap they religiously subscribe to,Saul,Garth,etc.in the stupid"so bad,it's good"genre.. I'll explain...Elitist MAIN motivation in life is to show how much better they are than,and "above" the rest of society they are,to show how different they are from the norm. Here's where AS comes in: They audition shows for potential airing,they make a list of the shows that they actually DO find funny and interesting..THEN there's the OTHER list,the trash list of shows that they DON'T find funny or interesting,and are in fact so abhorrently bad they can't believe ANYONE would air it.

The reason they do this,if you might be wondering..it's simply as sort of an inside joke/social experiment...put the dumbest *beep* that they could find,on tv...and the elitist predictably come running,proclaiming how they just"get it"so that they wont have to elaborate on what they like,as well as dislike about the show. As if the rest of the world are just simple morons who can't "think outside the box"..they're so damn enthralled with their own reflection that they don't realize they're staring into a puddle of piss.This is how ATHF got it's start,and it's subsequent adoption into mainstream as the new"it"thing.

[AS]then they find themselves a time slot to air it,then on it goes..they don't even hide what they're doing,because if you look closely at it,the shows are almost ALWAYS 15mins(or less) a piece,throwing the 30min show rhythm off,they usually sandwich it between two shows that get good ratings so that you're in effect treated to a nice bullsh!t sandwich",you could turn away,but you don't know how long the crap is gonna take to run it's course,and you might miss the beginning of the the show you want to watch. For this reason alone i'm starting to hate AS programming,and starting to be a little more selective about what i'll tune into over there. If i had a Tivo i'd probably never actually watch it,just the shows i tune in for,it's THAT damn ridiculous over there.

On another note,i actually LIKE the Squidbillies,and actually "get it",and here's why:I've actually known people who talk like,think like,and carry themselves(to a much lesser extent)as the main character,needless to say Early Cuyler is the embodiment of the "redneck"mentality,persona and culture that some Southerners are actually proud of. To sum all of this up... Xavier,will enjoy a nice long tenure on AS,because [AS] is sorta like the buddy whose ass you have to end up kicking because he doesn't understand the concept(s) of tact,and comedic timing(ex. he tries to pants you,or some other prank while your chatting with a broad),but then again,that's probably just the a$$hole that can't take a joke,and doesn't "get it" in me talking.

"The next time you hear grown folks talkin' muthaf_ckas betta shut the f_ck up"-Twista/Pretty Tony

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This is kind of a one mans trash is another mans treasure argument. AS relies on the success of it's "indie" counter culture appeal to stay on air. Just by watching it, you're generally making a statement; look at me, I'm against it!... which is why they have the stupid bump- WE ARE AGAINST IT WITH YOU. If AS administrators and such actually do go about picking crap they specifically think is not funny they would not still be in business today. Business, especially ones that are struggling to be independent, rarely chooses a niche market within a niche market to cater to; there just aren't that many consumers. The *beep* sandwhich" is their way to promote shows that some of the more mainstream viewers may like but haven't seen yet. Remember AS before family guy? It was all stuff that most people thought wasn't funny (i.e. Home Movies, etc.), and anime. Since family guy, we've gotten such jewels as Venture Bros, Robot Chicken (which is decent and totally caters to FG audiences), ATHF. morel orel, lucy, squidbillies, and other commercial and 'cultural' successes, some of which are, honestly, aimed at the drug abuse population.

Maybe to me, Squidbillies is utter *beep* and a worthless critique of the south. Maybe its hilarious because I live in a town full of hicks. Personally, I subscribe more to the first; but if you like it, fine. I'm a philosophy student. Xavier is the embodiment of the "trying to be philosophical to sound smart, yet misguided moron" mentality; the majority of which populate my courses. Just as squidbillies will enjoy a nice tenure on AS, I hope Xavier does too; it critiques that whole "elitist" culture you hate on, since a lot of them fit in to the Xavier category.

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when this show gets more of an audience, there will be alot of people saying how the folk who don't find it funny 'just don't get it'. that really gets to me. the same thing happens with any show that is on the surreal side. you do get many elitist idiots on the scene when a show like this comes out. they want to prove how 'far out' their tastes are.

there isn't really much to get with this show in my opinion. you're either gonna love it or hate it. it's weird, it's surreal, it's got some nice wordplay, but it doesn't take a genius to follow what's going on. some of it is just random strange nonsense which some people wont find funny (and i don't particularly blame them) but that doesn't mean it's complex.

if you're farmiliar with PFFR, the creators, you'll know that they seem to just like making stuff that THEY find funny, which is totally respectable in a way as they're making the show they want no matter what anyone thinks of it, but also frustrating at times because they end up alienating people who would otherwise like their work. but they don't care. I am a fan of theirs so i am giving this show a chance. the first episode was fairly dissapointing, but i think the second showed alot more potential and i genuinely laughed out loud quite a bit.

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Loved the pilot.. haven't had a chance to watch episode 2 yet, but I will. My friends and I huddled around a laptop to watch this, after we heard the Wonder Showzen guys made this show.. and yep.. it was f'd up and we loved every minute of it.

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I understand your reasoning Dacheatah,and your points are also helped by the fact that you say that you are a philosophy student and are no doubt surrounded by the same type of people that the show critiques. So basically what you're saying is,this show is the same as the Squidbilies,except aimed at the pretentious wannabe-transcendent culture that's prevalent in your surroundings,therefore you,and others in similar situations will find it amusing,I get it.

I'm pretty adept at adjusting my thinking to new points of view,as well as other people's thought processes,to me that is what makes life interesting..variety. I guess what irritates me most about this show,and some shows generally more than others is when the thought process goes off course,and is sporadic and makes too much of an effort to be more than the format it's conveyed in,will allow. An example of what i'm saying is if you went to see a symphony,and the show's director decided to incorporate interpretive dance into the performance,then all of a sudden an opera singer came out and started to sing,all of this to blatantly try and convey a new experience to the viewer,or as Xavier would say"flip your lid".

As for the Family Guy thing,I "got it" and have been since it initially aired,but most wouldn't,esp the South Park audience who likes their satirical comedy a little more rough-hewn,straightforward(preachy). Seth McFarlane has a very interesting thought process,which is,in some ways similar to mine.recently in the "100th episode"special,this was slightly revealed..wherein he did surveys of a bunch of people who said they hated FG,etc..but the people who "got it" noticed the biggest thing was,the demographic they surveyed,would by no means typify the average FG viewer,being that they were usually older,and had varying levels of education,backgrounds,etc that were not generally cohesive to deep,or simple"Level 2" thinking about anything past what they see,taking in what they saw on the show as a literal interpretation of an idea.

[AS] has/d some good shows,i've watched them since they began airing back in the day,but i noticed a very subtle,and gradual change in programming,etc as the B&W bumps started becoming more prominent between shows,and the "look at me,my username is on TV saying something wacky" Youtube kiddies made their way into the forums over there. I do give them credit for the Anime boom they started in recent years here in the states,because before them,no one was showing it with the exception of particular shows,aimed at children because it USED to be that Adults couldn't admit to watching "cartoons" because people would think them crazy or overly childish.

I understood Dave Chappelle's comedy,and his "method to the madness"approach,as well as why he wouldn't come back...I also understand "The Boondocks",as they are attempting to convey the same message,but are trying from another angle in the hopes that the people who NEED it,will"get it".

Seeing as this show,as you say,somewhat parodies the"elitist"..I may re-evaluate it,so that i'm not like the guys from the show who,when Xavier comes into town,immediately finding a reason to dislike him,and consequently beat his ass.



"The next time you hear grown folks talkin' muthaf_ckas betta shut the f_ck up"-Twista/Pretty Tony

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WHOA, goose-step off, swim-Nazi. You just insulted every [as] watcher out there with your bloated pile of Kampf.

Xavier isn't hard to get at all. It's a Quixotic faux-existentialist quasi-hero with quick repartee. This show is packed asses to elbows and ear to ear with massive diuretic gutloads of wet bloated sweet comedic dialogue. What's not to love? The fact that it looks like it was slapped together by DeVry graduate as a demo reel is part of the seemingly-unpolished charm of the show, not a sign of any lack of effort. There are artistic details where they are due and mandated by plot, so I know the creators of this show take their work seriously (while laughing their asses off, I'm sure).

For that matter, 12 Oz Mouse is brilliant as a new-age version of Theater of the Absurd, and a tribute to dream-state artists (i.e. David Lynch). The fact that it looks like it was drawn by a 12 year old is the keychain dangling in front of you. Stop batting at it and pay attention to what's going on in the f u ç king show, or don't watch! Over the long haul, while being almost entirely surrealist, this show does evoke Lynchian horror as a noir plotline unfolds... and unfolds and infolds and explodes. If you view it even the least bit casually, or non-sequentially, it must not be as enjoyable. So this show can't possibly draw an "elite" audience unless they have stuck around from the beginning as FANS - this is an entirely removed category from those who trawl for the latest nouveau-riche art trends. For more on how you destroy your viewing experience by dismissing the good shows on [as], see Perfect Hair Forever.

Furthermore, if for no other reason (and there are many more) Saul of the Mole Men is funny as a parody of Land of the Lost and Ray Harryhausen epics. Nuff said. This show is clearly more amazing than your lack of patience and understanding is immense.

T&EASGJ and TGTtM will never not be funny. Heidecker and Wareheim are improv kings, and emperors of discomforting situations, postures, motions, pronunciations, and food. You may now bow before them.

In conclusion, my post was shorter than yours, and I got in everything I wanted to say. I have defended all these shows without saying "you just don't get it and giving you no details to back it up. You lose, 50-Leuf.

So as soon as you're done masturbating to Seth Green's grating and unmutable voice and limp-dicked comedy routine, [as] has more amazing shows ready for you all the time. If you see this tonight, turn on the tube and watch Darkplace. Enjoy, or face the alternative - admitting you only watch [as] for Inuyasha (or Bleach)... or your mom neglected to send you straight to bed after Naruto. Does she draw your whiskers on for you EVERY Halloween? Gross.

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So from all the eloquently written fodder i just read...what you're saying is these show(s) you mentioned are MEANT for you,in other words? I guess the irony in that,is the fact that you actually see that as a compliment. As I said before,I was there from the start of [AS] so if i really don't want to see valuable time slot that COULD be used to show something worthwhile,wasted on garbage,and that makes me a"Swim-Nazi" then "Heil,ihr Führer!".
I "get" the show(s)the thing is...i STILL don't like it..it's overly wrought out,and pretentious,but then again...by your reasoning...that's the way it SUPPOSED to be right?..that's the"art"of it..yeah,well i guess some see sh!t,others see fertilizer.."eye of the beholder"and all of that. Some of Seth Green's comedy bits are funny,some aren't,i'm not some mindless robot that just finds EVERYTHING he does hilarious,because the person doing the writing is"known for their talent" so merely by association,EVERYTHING they do thereafter HAS to be good. Yeah,I like Anime,maybe not what you listed(besides the Jp version of Bleach),but i find SOME of it entertaining,not ALL of it. So in conclusion,i promise not to masturbate to Seth Green,if you promise to stop handing out free rimjobs and blowjo's to the WonderShowzen guys,and the Tim and Eric team..they(incl.Seth Green) get enough of that from the[AS]programming coordinators.
P.S. The Naruto thing though..that was oddly specific..and,to answer your question, no..we DON'T have that in common,if that was what you were trying to ask/signify.

"The next time you hear grown folks talkin' muthaf_ckas betta shut the f_ck up"-Twista/Pretty Tony

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Frank Zappa once said something to the effect that "The typical rock fan is not smart enough to know when he is being dumped on." He could just have easily been talking about the typical Adult Swim fan.

I used to be really active in movie boards (not this one), but I just gave up, because so many people call some bit of absolute crap "genius", then defend it with the cop-out: "You don't get it." And nobody invokes the "get it" defense as often as AS fans. I don't care if people enjoy Tim & Eric, or Xavier, but please, lay off the "genius" label.

These people like to think they "get it", and that they're part of some inside-joke with AS, but they don't realize that the AS folks are playing them for drooling chumps. If the whole 'Saved by the Bell' thing didn't make fans wake up, then what will? So now we have Xavier, and fans proclaim it's genius, bend over, and say: "Thank you sir, may I have another?"

I'm really starting to hate AS too. For years, I used to watch the whole block, and even the shows I didn't really like weren't that bad. Now they're getting to a point where the shows aren't just unwatchable, they're unbearable to the point that I scramble for the remote.

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"Zwooven"..my friend..you have restored my faith in humanity,and hope for the future,lmao..but seriously,it's refreshing to see that someone else REALLY "get's it"..the "Saved by the Bell"fiasco,as well as the "Pee Wee's Playhouse" thing..I thought people would have gotten the point by now too,they ARE the punchline,to the [AS] crews jokes..but then again,these are probably the same people who are providing them with fodder for the "funny" bumps,wherein they are ridiculed,and humiliated,and made to look like fools..all on national TV...but..LOOK!...my username made it on TV!../sarcasm..yeah now everyone knows they're just one of the legion of [AS]'s whores,they periodically pimp out to Burger King,Scion,or whoever else wants to pay them money,to get a few "parties"between shows.

"The next time you hear grown folks talkin' muthaf_ckas betta shut the f_ck up"-Twista/Pretty Tony

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I don't get it?

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AS does not have anywhere near the budget to put on entire programming blocks as part of a giant Andy Kaufman-esque practical joke that is funny only to its' executives. Though, my lord, I wish they did!

Here is my explanation of why I love Xavier taken from my review for www.collider.com. (Sorry for the repost from elsewhere on this board, but I doubt that the poster I'm responding to would ever open that thread.)

When you were a kid did you ever have crazy, bizarre nightmares filled with images right of Salvador Dali’s psycho-analysis sessions? Well, if you didn’t, now you can pretend you did thanks to Xavier Renegade Angel.

Xavier Renegade Angel is an intensely surreal (even by Adult Swim standards) show from Wonder Showzen creators, PFFR. It’s about a freakish man beast who is covered in fur, has 6 nipples, backwards knees, a third eye where his penis should be, a snake for a hand, an eagles beak, and Heterochromia, who wanders America trying to find spiritual fulfillment and the identity of the man who killed his parents. Unfortunately for Xavier and everyone with whom he comes into contact, he has no spiritual insight whatsoever, and remains totally oblivious to the fact that he was the one who killed his parents, even though their ghosts tell him so repeatedly. He most often ruins the lives of those he is trying to help while failing to grasp even the most basic truths about the world around him. At the end of each episode Xavier knows even less about the world than he did at the beginning.

I could write 1000 words on how Xavier employs Brechtian narrative elements and uses alienation to allow the viewer to perceive reality with disinterested contemplation. Or how it acts as a reader for the work of Jean Baudrillard. Or how it brilliantly remixes elements of Foucault, Judith Butler, Hegel, Marx, Kant, Nietzsche, Douglas Adams, Vonnegut, Gogol, Voltaire, Ginsberg, Beckett, T.S. Eliot, E. E. Cummings, and David Foster Wallace with an art style that is heavily influenced by the proto-Dada work of the Die Bruke and Blue Rider movements of the Weimar Republic. But it’s one of those things where if you don’t already know, I probably couldn’t tell you.

Xavier is not a show for everyone, or even most anyone. It is vile, obnoxious, mean-spirited, confusing, and really ugly to look at thanks to CGI graphics made by a company that usually does economy class video game cut scenes. However, if you can see beyond the aggressively alienating exterior of the show you will discover a razor sharp Juvenilian satire of American Bourgeois values that makes salient points about the hypocrisy of mainstream and subculture ranging from hippies and environmentalists to neo-cons and fundamentalists.

The wonderful thing about Xavier is how high brow/low brow it is. The program goes well out of its way to ask complex, soul searching questions about the nature of reality and humanity’s inability to perceive truth, but then asks these questions using the most base and puerile dick and fart jokes imaginable. During the best episodes of season 2 there are some 40 jokes a minute thanks to its triple and quadruple-entendre dialogue. And though the creators designed the show to look as unappealing as possible, underneath the hideous character design there is actually some really inventive and boundary pushing use of the camera going on.

Upon a first viewing, most will notice the sparse, clipped dialogue featuring words seemingly arbitrarily echoing into infinity, but after seeing a few episodes it becomes clear that this is a stylistic choice. Every time the vocals abruptly cut it signals the viewer to some type of wordplay within the sentence. Clips and phrases like “Take that! Taste the pain!” repeat in all 20 episodes in different contexts, sometimes dropped in in the middle of other words. It’s really mind-bending stuff. Meanwhile, the echoing effect is most often used to recall a reference to a previous episode or else to highlight a piece of new age jargon that the show is mocking.

At first glance Xavier seems like a show with less plot than Family Guy, every two minutes or so there is a bizarre plot twist that seems to come from nowhere and lead nowhere. One of the best episodes begins with Xavier trying to sell road kill to a restaurant and ends with a prostitute aura (who provides aural sex to the point of soul-jaculation) causing the end of the world with a spiritually transmitted disease. Along the way the episode also touches on huffing glue (as well as snorting tacs and shooting staples), bestiality, cannibalism, and camels that open up to reveal machine guns. It’s pretty abstract and incredibly weird, but upon second and third repeat each episode begins to come together. Instead of seeming random, the show’s intricacies come into view, with each successive turn clearly foreshadowed and generally motivated by larger thematic elements. The show employs nonstandard narrative structure and deeply couched post-modern plotting that can be difficult to decipher, but is very rewarding if you’re willing to put in the effort.

Basically, if you love An Andalusian Dog, Beyond Good and Evil and Freddy Got Fingered all in equal measure, then Xavier Renegade Angel is for you.

DVD

Disappointingly, the DVD transfer is not HD nor anamorphic. A lot of the episodes look more blurry than they should and there is an obnoxious letterbox effect, though I am not entirely sure that wasn’t part of the point. The audio is very crisp, but the picture leaves something to be desired.

As with the Wonder Showzen DVD sets, there are plenty of absurd special features that are sure to tickle the funny bone of those already on Xavier’s wave length while infuriating all others to no end.

In addition to the twenty episodes of the first two seasons, there are four commentary tracks (all recorded by fans of the show who had no hand in producing it), as well as a selection of fan-made Xavier shorts that were compiled into the episode “Damnesia You” and an intensely surreal music video.

Additionally, the creators added four different commentary tracks. Two of the tracks are filled with the same type pseudo-intellectual hogwash namedropping found in my review. Long, pretentious monologues about the deeper meaning of the show and how it relates to Plato’s Symposium and Locke’s Second Treatises on Man, or whatever. The other two are just incomprehensible gibberish designed to annoy you into turning them off. While I might have liked some real commentary, these tracks are a pretty brilliant meta-joke. The show runners create a program that is difficult to understand and then makes fun of you for trying to read meaning in it.

Most of the fan-made episodes are damn near un-watchable in their original form. However, a few of them show some real talent and skill. If you’re a hardcore fan, or made one of these shorts, this is a pretty cool feature, but I found myself struggling to make it through most of these.

The best special feature by far is the Xaviercize music video which starts out as a parody of 80s work out tapes before devolving into a Salvia trip. I’m not totally sure that this feature is safe for those susceptible to seizures, but it is like nothing I have ever seen before, and I really appreciate that.

CONCLUSION:

Xavier is a show that rewards a second viewing more than most. In fact, I would wager that you haven’t really seen an episode of Xavier until you’ve watched it four or five times. I still find myself catching new jokes in these episodes, and I’ve seen most of my favorites over ten times each. The rewatch factor adds a great value to this DVD set that is absent in most others.

I adore Xavier Renegade Angel. It is easily my favorite thing on television right now and it might be my favorite animated show of all time. Part of this is because I love wordplay and lowbrow humor, part of it is because I’m a pretentious jerk who loves postmodernism and considers Alejandro Jodorowsky to be one of the greatest filmmakers of all time. It will just annoy most audiences, but if like challenging, transgressive comedy, I cannot recommend this show highly enough.

The Show: 9.8/10
DVD: 7/10





,Said the Shotgun to the Head--
Saul Williams

www.myspace.com/ohhorrorofhorrors

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If you click for a breakdown of the votes, you'll see that as of right now an equal number of people have voted it a 10 and a 1, which I think says a lot.

I've only managed to see the 2nd episode because I live in Amsterdam but it's just as intelligent as Wonder Showzen whilst potentially being funnier. I think Wonder Showzen will remain their masterpiece compared to this, but I'm so glad they've managed to do something that lives up to the name.

The people who say it sucks just aren't seeing the depth - doesn't make them stupid, just not in the right mindframe to understand it.

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What depth?
The writers just get stoned and write random existential crap.

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A: It's not existentialism, really. And when it is existential, it's usually making FUN of existentialists.
B: You could not possibly write the words-within-words jokes of this show on just some weed. (moust-ache-ache-ache-ste the pain!)
C: see my review. The show makes many overt references to many philosophers, philosophies, and art movements.

,Said the Shotgun to the Head--
Saul Williams

www.myspace.com/ohhorrorofhorrors

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This show just completely flew under my radar. I had no idea what it was, and missed the first episode. Caught the second episode this past sunday, and immediately wanted to hate it. I mean, I REALLY wanted to hate it. By the time the pizza delivery guy's "ghost" was delivering the gang their breadsticks, I was hooked. I didn't want it to end!

Only after seeing the pffr logo during the credits did it all suddenly make sense.

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Salame said it best. Well met.

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glad im not alone in loving this show. i was like dumbfounded for the first 5 minutes of the pilot before i could get a grip on it.

it is reminds me a GREAT deal of liquid television.

the echoing words of dialog that would normally be important in any other show or movie is hillarious...

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This show is an utter piece of crap, and I have reason to believe any one who just "likes" it may be a dangerous sociopathic rapist. Absolute garbage

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This show is an utter piece of crap, and I have reason to believe any one who just "likes" it may be a dangerous sociopathic rapist. Absolute garbage


...I don't like rap.

Beggers can't be choosers. Well, they can-but then they're just being a$$wholes.

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