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Keri Russel wife lobotomized or WHAT?


I'm stunned that I've scoured this board quickly yet find nowhere does anyone address or question WHY the hell his wife isn't BEYOND livid her husband leaves her & their (recently pretty SICK)...young baby (to probably die...how she survived is mystery to me)... yes, he is a deserter, has chosen to rebel (isn't THAT also maybe a decision a Husband & wife make together?) so therefore, has his own life to worry about but NEVER ONCE do we see him think of his FAMILY.---much more, in a time of hostile, ugly war.

Talk about blowing MY mind.


No reflection, no concern!
NO instead, he worries more about HIS personal survival & that of total strangers (NOT that they weren't worth it but do they rise to the level of his FAMILY? Of course NOT...THERE, where he took a vow & has inherent responsibility to!).

She states...when finally catching up with he & his new lady! (DO forget RACE for one second for goodness sakes, in this area of the story, that's immaterial, people...he's f'ing MARRIED with a young child!!! WHY is that nothing here?)

But back to my sentence, Russel states (and we see as much) that not ONE but TWO of their houses were burned down (let's remember, due to his actions!!), then demurely adds she "has nowhere to go" as she looks downtrodden & like SHE'S bothersome! Says she shouldn't "be there"!!
HUH?
I wanted to shake her until she WOKE UP!!
Seems I'm alone there watching stunned because SHE not only should've been by his side all along (or risk to be discussed) but at this point, any NORMAL deserted-wife, should be kicking his ass ---------maybe shooting him in the head!! OK well I would if I caught up with ass#$#%-husband who RAN off but doesn't once take into account his wife & family predicament or stop for a second to think about their well-being. THAT is HIS sole responsibility, especially given this time-frame!

IF THAT makes him some "heroic" figure, well I disagree. An utterly HUGELY flawed one if the case can even be made. I don't care if we're suppose to focus on the larger picture.
But then worse, it's brushed over...like OH...I guess he's with her now, I'll just stay in the next room ...try not to be a nuisance & outta the way! Like she's GRATEFUL they will provide her & son shelter.

Are you KIDDING me?

So again...to repeat...did all these ppl have lobotomies? Seriously! I am NOT kidding, I wanted her to kick his selfish, cowardly & outlandishly adulterous ass!!

But NO mention of any of this at all because the "larger context" must be considered. NOPE..don't think so. She's sitting there knitting with the mistress her HUSBAND has had child with & all is right with her world?

Utterly ridiculous in an otherwise pretty good movie.
And before someone mentions this is "based on real story" and true to the narrative, I'd STILL like to respond by saying, well where's the indignation & response to all that here? Because of all other horrors we are subject to, that negates this? It does NOT.
It was totally missing, so all I could think (given she's pretty enough to get ANY guy in all the south & NORTH)... she must've been either moron or brain damaged!!

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He originally left her because the soldiers were looking for him, not her, as he was a deserter. I expected him to come get her after his group had established enough of a safe zone that they could all be together. It seriously glosses over why he does not reunite with his family.
He rescues several other families, but his wife endures having TWO farms burned down.

By the time she shows up late in the film, I'm more surprised that he lets her in at all. Just assuming that since he's the star of the movie, his faults are going to be smoothed out for Hollywood purposes.

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true, good points.
Was so stunned to learn the real story & how they had many more children than represented in the movie which heightens his irresponsibility enormously.
And yep. TWO farms burned down.
All I was sayin'.
thank you for input.

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I was confused at that point too. I had to think back and remember if she used to be his wife or not because of the strange tentative way she was acting. Then Newt looked at the boy and said do u know I'm your father? and the whole situation was very weird. I just assumed there were parts of the story I missed.

🐬 ma ink

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I agree that it's rather weird and glossed over. Especially weird since Keri Russell plays such a strong women in The Americans.

But this is probably rather historically accurate, not in the detail but in spirit. Married women were still regarded as "property" back then. They couldn't even vote!

yes, he is a deserter, has chosen to rebel (isn't THAT also maybe a decision a Husband & wife make together?)


So no, as crazy as it seems today, the husband had the official right to decide everything and the wife had to obey him. That's what the culture was back then.

So when he abandoned her she didn't have the upper hand in the argument. She came as a beggar. It's sad but makes it somewhat plausible.

Also marriage was regarded much more practical, not about love. Newt said before "am I not alone". And she talks about the horrible things they've seen on the road. That also puts things in perspective.

Passed by Congress June 4, 1919, and ratified on August 18, 1920, the 19th amendment granted women the right to vote. The 19th amendment guarantees all American women the right to vote.


Think about that, the USA is basically only a democracy for a 100 years. You can't regard a country democratic if women aren't allowed to vote.

PS: I'm just trying to offer a different perspective. It's an interesting post and question you pose, but you do come off a bit as a "sweet summer child" :)

Personally I don't see any moral problem with polygamy, if you can practically make it work - basically his ex wife and he are friends and work together. Jealousy is a luxury you couldn't afford back then. Today's notion of being "entitled" to being outraged that a marriage ends and claiming the right to start to hate your ex is somewhat silly imho. I see so many couples *beep* it up after they divorce, and THAT is really morally reprehensible especially if children are involved. You are obligated to love each other even just as friends and make it work.

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Good points.

Yes, I know the sad history of our Nation & how many persons (not just women) were treated incredibly poorly.

Though we stand as the greatest number, (given we're half the population. I think right now slightly more than males) so kinda staggering to consider the actual reality of that time historically.

If anything I think it does show how men are more violent, conflict-oriented & "entitled" just by nature if you look solely in context of our past.

Because if you remove (just for hypothetical case) their greater physical strength than our sex (yes, I know it's only in MOST cases, not all), they still would've led a revolution FAR earlier in history than the suffragettes---again, if we happened to be a matriarchal-centered country, dominating & ruling our society than the other way around. Which unfortunately-- if you ask me, given the state of our world--has been patriarchal since the dawn of times.

Which too, if you read up in detail about that (suffragettes), it's unquestionably harrowing what many of those women suffered through JUST to get our vote!! Opposition came from all of society in general...NOT just the males.
Now THAT'S frightful, to know most women didn't even stand tall with them to start (too afraid perhaps? And yep, I GET it!).

They had to have courage & conviction beyond belief & I dunno if many women today, put in their shoes THEN, could stand & fight with them for this "vote" right as they lost EVERYTHING in many cases, most of all their husbands, family & worse, children. Early pioneers had zero support, many killed & most traumatized. I don't believe persons believe that today, this is how it was, but any historian will tell you honestly.

So blathering on again in attempt to say I do understand but still ignites my fury. I sit here with immense gratitude for when I was born as I'd not have made it into adulthood had I forged into that world, to assimilate into another time. Just what I believe.
Then again, I know most would argue one would KNOW no different so likely to be fine (enough! Tougher!!). I just doubt that.

This wife was not "fine"!

From what we know of history, some females were lucky or unlucky back then, it was the hand you were drawn & just had to deal with it.
Maybe you hit the lottery & married a decent man, progressive in thought that treated wife with profound respect & as equal or maybe you got beat up daily or killed, with no options to change it.

And this wife clearly appeared utterly uninterested in any polygamist arrangement.

Which even today, in more than 95% of the cases is male-privileged, male-structured.

Put better, often THEIR idea & clearly to THEIR advantage where it's STILL patriarchal in structure, they call the shots & are the "boss" so to speak.

Statistically where this polygamy-arrangements exist (in many Mormon sects still today in Utah), they are ones with the many wives, you rarely see it otherwise (reversal of sexes) except in fiction movies & TV.

To me, it's outrageous mental abuse of the worst kind (these women often appear more Stepford wives than the actual movie & in those frightful Amish dresses, either are brainwashed OR brainless).
Forget the moral implications, I am not speaking to that (to be clear, personally, doesn't sit with me nor my beliefs but hey...I don't tell others what to do so long as no one's hurt. Where kids are involved & they
ARE, I find it unacceptable as they live what they learn) but again, that's simply factual polygamy as it's most often in practice today (around the globe NOT just here in US). Male-centric (yeah, what a surprise!)

You're spot on that it wasn't true democracy as half the population was not involved & playing any role. But that's how our forefathers set things up & truly, a reflection of its time (women being "property"! I can only imagine the horrors of navigating life then with NO options & having to survive whatever unjustly came your way with no fairness or equity being part of life, much less being factored in).

Agreed--Everyone absolutely feels "entitled" today, maybe the children growing up now the most diluted & worst offenders. Often through no fault of their own, I know.

And while I agree divorce is often unavoidable, it's also a complex issue.
People have no actual regard for marriage.

Then, there too, due to our sense of entitlement & lack of compromise (this ME or as I call it, the "selfie" society), little thought is given to the value of this institution. Or the "family"!

There's also a distinct lack of community (ppl looking out & caring for each other OUTSIDE just the family) that existed where I grew up;
character is spiraling FAST on the downfall---it's far more Darwinian & not advancement but stepping backward. And in my values, character is the only thing I care about (in a person & their value as a human being. It encompasses a wide area).

Sacrifice is almost a dirty word today (imagine putting someone BEFORE yourself & your OWN needs. You must be a total moron right? Well NO...the reality is that it makes one a decent person.
I can't envision anyone even THINKING to put themselves before their kids but surely today, even that I see. Not very rare either. (kinda wonder why some bother to have them! AT times I think it's due to it being expected & almost another"keeping up with the Joneses!")

Sorry for rant.
Honestly don't think I have my head in the sand & believe me, I DO write here entirely grateful I lived when I do but I also see many things being the downfall of man happening RIGHT now as we exchange missives.

People that DO put their kids last in divorce (as it often plays out) are simply part of this ME culture prevalent today; in their very actions (if NOT in words!) everyone SWEARS the world must revolve around them (how delusional & dangerous is that ideology?).
If they did NOT, there would be NO Facebook, twitter & all the rest that flourished, where they are the STAR of their own little "show" everyday.
One where the WORLD needs to go so far as to GREATLY care what they are eating for dinner (better LIKE that, I'm counting...lol)
Narcissistic some? no...not some. ALL. People were NOT drawn to such egocentric traits in past years maybe due to trying to SURVIVE. I dunno, but just wasn't like this.

My regret for not completing my rant earlier.
Maybe 1% had anything to do with topic at hand...so excuse the indulgence. As an older sociologist I have FAR too many opinions about LIFE today, as well as yesteryear. We all have our deep downsides, that is abundantly clear.

I know this, as I try to be keen observer daily:
Man doesn't even have much respect for each other anymore.
And sadly, without THAT, I fear it to be a bleak outlook.
The persons we once held up, aspired to be---our trusted examples to strive for & model after, have radically changed & been replaced by basket of deplorables (mostly horrible athletes & celebrities). And NO, not trying to be political here at ALL but so LOVED the expression as it fits largely part of today's population & nope....people fail to GET IT!!.






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@shoutingagain



Which too, if you read up in detail about that (suffragettes), it's unquestionably harrowing what many of those women suffered through JUST to get our vote!!



Good post,btw---covers a lot of good points.

Just finally saw the film SUFFRAGETTE,which is about the women's movement in Britain around World War I, and saw wheat they went through---getting beat up by the police, force-fed through a tube in jail when they tried to stage a hunger strike,all of that. Good film,though.

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Lol I left the tab with your reply open for 3 weeks. Only now getting to read and reply haha.

I'm not getting into this whole hornets nest of sexism and men's right movement today ;) I just found the depiction in the movie interesting from a historical point of view. It makes you think about it, and that makes it a good scene in the movie. Not even provocative.

And this wife clearly appeared utterly uninterested in any polygamist arrangement.


Yeah I agree there. It was rather a sidetrack. She appeared almost asexual and absolutely uninterested in "love" and similar nonsense. Or personal pride for that matter. She wasn't really "weak" but was her own person and didn't depend on his approval. If you do away with the sentimental and romantic notion of love, he treated his "ex" wife well.

Also don't forget what role religion played back then. They were many who you would consider religious fundamentalists today. It's tricky to judge hstorical people, I'd like to imagine I would have been a better person back then too but...

And ideology still plays a large role today, both on the "regressive left" and the "deplorables". I consider twitter as one of the great evils of our time because it limits discourse to 140 char brainfarts. Damn you now I'm back to today.

Our modern view on marriage is no less laced with ideology, with e.g. contempt for practical marriage for money or mail order brides, or staying together for the kids (the only reason why sex and romance was created by evolution). There are lots of value judgements and the scene is a rare counterpoint to that.

BTW you might enjoy the movie "No Men Beyond This Point" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2556936 which is a weird sci-fi fake documentary (males going extinct). As a male viewer, it's kind of a horror movie :P

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