I was a little confused. When Bobby was driving before he C.S'd, he saw thes gay guys running out of a club together. Since David didn't answer the phone earlier, were we to think that it was him cheating on Bobby?
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Oh okay so I wasn't the only one that thought that one guy was David. Thank you. :)
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- If you didn't like it there you don't have to go back.
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It sure looks that way.
I feel so bad for Bobby, his story will be remembered.
Wish I could of been there that night to help stop him. I'm sure we all feel that way. Well, the good people anyway.
It looked like David, but it's never acknowledged again, and you'd think we'd see David being guilty over it, so I'm wondering if Bobby merely saw a happy gay couple outside the club and felt like he'd never be as happy as they were. Or maybe he thought it was David and it wasn't.
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I think thats the best way to think about it. obviously some directors want you to find the "hidden" facts but since nothing else eluded to the idea that David cheated on him, I think its safe to think he didnt, and especially Bobbys reaction, he didnt display any shock or hurt other than what he was already feeling. so I think you are right in thinking it was him seeing a happy couple and feeling he will never have that.
shareI am almost sure it was David, I will have to watch that part again
shareOriginally I thought he was just sad to see other people being so happy and he felt he could never be as happy as them.
However, I just replayed the scene like 6 times on my DVD player, and I think it actually is David. I mean it's from a side angle, but 3 additional things make me think it might be him:
1) Bobby is trying to get a hold of David from work and can't.
2) Next scene, Bobby is driving around (maybe trying to find David?) and spots two guys (one looks an awful lot like David) skipping happily out of the bar together and Bobby then begins to cry.
3) Bobby then goes back to work, turns in his key card, and kills himself.
We know that the two people who's love meant the most to Bobby was David's and his moms. His mom had already stopped loving him (or so he felt) and it's possible that when he saw David with another guy, he felt that it meant that David also stopped loving him and that was the straw that broke the camels back.
I don't think the films creators would have focused in on David though because the consequence for being unfaithful shouldn't be suicide. Any two people in a relationship have to discuss it with each other and decide if they will have a polyamorous relationship, or a monogamous relationship.
Most people I've known in monogamous relationships feel that love and sex can't be separated, so if someone has sex with someone else, then they're taking your love from you and giving it to that other person so they feel betrayed.
Where as most people I've known in polyamorous relationships (and we're talking everyone from strait married swingers, to gay couples who go to sex parties) seem to be able to separate love and sex from each other (love is "companionship and intimacy", while sex is "fun physical stimulation"), so your partner having sex with someone else is no direct threat to loosing the love you two share.
If David did stray, and that betrayal was enough for Bobby to kill himself over it, then I think we can assume they were in a monogamous relationship and Bobby therefore felt he lost David's love. Someone as emotionally fragile as Bobby was might not have been able to cope with that. But either way, focusing in on it in the film would have been moot because the real problem was Bobby's lack of love for himself which was the direct result of his upbringing.
Is it just me or did anyone else think Bobby was exaggerating? Or maybe just being too pessimistic?
David could've just come out of the club with a friend. Maybe the guy looked like David. He never got to talk to David and find out! He should have at least found out the facts!
David cared about him. If he didn't, he wouldn't have gone to the funeral...
Not necessarily, MOST people go to funeral to say their goodbyes or support the devastated. But, I think many go for their own ease (perhaps unintentionally). The ability to have closure (especially if there is guilt) is very healing and some never get that. So if you have the chance, why not do have it?
I do feel he was "weak" but as dylan1669 said, he was emotionally fragile as a direct result from his upbringing and his family's values. He had just dealt with "too much" in a very small period of time. I've gone through all the things Bobby went through and I coped with it very well though it was a very difficult and crushing experience. I was fortunate to have a support from friends and brothers and sisters. Had it been otherwise, who knows if i'd bee writing anything here. We just never know. I'd have to watch the movie again, but I don't think Bobby had many supporters (his friend and his boyfriend i think were the only ones).
Not necessarily, MOST people go to funeral to say their goodbyes or support the devastated. But, I think many go for their own ease (perhaps unintentionally). The ability to have closure (especially if there is guilt) is very healing and some never get that. So if you have the chance, why not do have it?
I'm sure David didn't cheat because he took Bobby to see his parents. David walks out of the bar with a friend, but Bobby thinks it's his lover and feels further abandonned. Doubt, fear and uncertainty get the best of him.
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