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Is todays war really this boring?


I have not served in the military but am interested in war series like Band of Brothers and like. I am from Sweden and was curious to this, especially when Alexander Skarsgård is main character. BUT, why is it sooooo boring all the time?? Nothing happens, they drive around in their Humwees and talk about killing, sex (lots of dirty talk), and how stupid the Iraqians are but nothing happens. The fighting scenes are badly done compared to BoB and sometimes they are acting stupid. When they got stuck on the bridge they could not figure out to push the vehicle themselves and where acting very clumsy. I stopped watching after that episode, what have I missed?

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It looks boring, but combat is a challenge to film and portray on screen.

(For "Blackhawk Down," they had to create a computer program to add in the effects of the bullets striking the surfaces around the actors all the time.)

And there is always things going on, work being done, with the military.

The times when you see characters talking are slightly fabricated. The Marines would have on-going conversations thru the day, or few days, where they talk about a particular subject. To simplify it, you have the conversation condensed into a coherent back-and-forth so the audience understands what the characters/Marines were thinking about at the time.

Real military, today, is not boring. It is active (hence why they have to eat a lot and drink a lot of water, and are so skinny).

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Håller med dig Fredrik, det var en väldigt tråkig serie baserat på en ännu tråkigare bok. Ska man försöka sig på dramaturgi bör man veta vad man gör.

Vet inte om jag orkar se mer själv.

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Get the *beep* out, please.

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You ask any soldier who's been in a real combat zone he'll tell you that war is friggin' boring. Its so boring that they invent the most ridiculous ways to pass the time. They get so intimate, having shared the normal BS that people do at the bar or in normal life, and well when you're in a combat zone, or pissing next to someone all the time or just in a humiliating boot camp together you stop being sensitized to being "polite".

People are really misinformed about war it seems. They think its supposed to be crazy terror and action all the time. They think its twisted that soldiers can laugh with death around them (you try to not laugh for a year when people die every day) and overall seem to think that its gotta be more pure or serious or something.

War is all hell. Thats the one rule. Everything else is just whatever you can get someone to admit when he rotates home. Soldiers live in utter boredom and then for the rest of their lives they'll remember, have nightmares, or obsess over possibly just a few moments, a few seconds, a split second where something happened, someone's face blew up or someone just died or he did something and he keeps thinking about it. Some things in particular stick, or sometimes its just a numbb shock, but its not like some crappy movie.

The best war movies challenge you by showing you the boredom. Ask a soldier. He won't say it was fun, he'll say it was boring. Then he was scared, then he was bored, and he killed some people which was kinda cool, then it was boring again, he almost died, got sent home. Now he can't sleep too well.

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Haven't been in military. Was in a war as a civilian four years. There is nothing boring about in eyes of a civilian. You as a human being are shredded to nothing. Only choice you have left is to decide if you walking on left or right side of street will see you live another day. In the end you make it by joking about death. You learn dark humor within a night.

Here is a great war movie...it will take you only 10 minutes to watch it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9qm-Vbhglc

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Well with respect being a civilian and being a soldier in most wars is often two entirely different things.

Civilians suffer far worse than the soldiers often enough. Soldiers don't have the terror of shielding their children while having no ability to truly protect them at hand. Soldiers often have the solace of fighting over there specially in an attempt to (in their minds) keep the war from reaching their kin.

Even so, as you say, everyone ultimately laughs in the face of death, not out of arrogance but because if you can't then you'll probably go mad eventually.

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You ask any soldier who's been in a real combat zone he'll tell you that war is friggin' boring. Its so boring that they invent the most ridiculous ways to pass the time. They get so intimate, having shared the normal BS that people do at the bar or in normal life, and well when you're in a combat zone, or pissing next to someone all the time or just in a humiliating boot camp together you stop being sensitized to being "polite".

People are really misinformed about war it seems. They think its supposed to be crazy terror and action all the time. They think its twisted that soldiers can laugh with death around them (you try to not laugh for a year when people die every day) and overall seem to think that its gotta be more pure or serious or something.

War is all hell. Thats the one rule. Everything else is just whatever you can get someone to admit when he rotates home. Soldiers live in utter boredom and then for the rest of their lives they'll remember, have nightmares, or obsess over possibly just a few moments, a few seconds, a split second where something happened, someone's face blew up or someone just died or he did something and he keeps thinking about it. Some things in particular stick, or sometimes its just a numbb shock, but its not like some crappy movie.

The best war movies challenge you by showing you the boredom. Ask a soldier. He won't say it was fun, he'll say it was boring. Then he was scared, then he was bored, and he killed some people which was kinda cool, then it was boring again, he almost died, got sent home. Now he can't sleep too well.


Your response is a typical cliche of what you think a veteran says about war.

Not everyone downrange sees "combat" or direct action; despite what you hear and see in: movies, TV, documentaries, interviews, news, etc. Not every veteran has post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

Everyone who's been downrange has their own: experiences, opinions and views. Individual experiences may vary.

"Toto, I've [got] a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore."

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Your response is a typical cliche of what you think a veteran says about war.


No its what actual veterans of combat (plural) have said to me, including a guy who was in the first battle of Fallujah in 2004, got a bronze star, saw some death, was bored a lot etc.


Everyone who's been downrange has their own: experiences, opinions and views. Individual experiences may vary.

Of course it varies, but ultimately its a very dull thing with nothing much happening punctuated by flares of meaningful context. Stuff happens that's memorable. If its an honest to goodness war experience then actual bullets or death or whatever happens and then it does become about details, smells, weird things that you thought about when something happened, whatever.

Its not heroic, its not archetypal, its human. Remember anything you know from your distant past and its some details you remember and a lot of blur. War is just details that are so incomprehensible to a normal civilized person that it makes no sense. Maybe they don't see combat but they remember this one time that something something. Yea most people don't see bullets and bodies but that's not really what this was about. Generation Kill wasn't about H&S Company.

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No its what actual veterans of combat (plural) have said to me, including a guy who was in the first battle of Fallujah in 2004, got a bronze star, saw some death, was bored a lot etc.


Cool story bro.

Of course it varies, but ultimately its a very dull thing with nothing much happening punctuated by flares of meaningful context. Stuff happens that's memorable. If its an honest to goodness war experience then actual bullets or death or whatever happens and then it does become about details, smells, weird things that you thought about when something happened, whatever.

Its not heroic, its not archetypal, its human. Remember anything you know from your distant past and its some details you remember and a lot of blur. War is just details that are so incomprehensible to a normal civilized person that it makes no sense. Maybe they don't see combat but they remember this one time that something something. Yea most people don't see bullets and bodies but that's not really what this was about. Generation Kill wasn't about H&S Company.


For someone who's never been boots on ground, you make a lot of assumptions.

"Toto, I've [got] a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore."

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No I base it on talking to actual veterans from multiple wars of all sorts from my grandfather who was in WW2 to guys who were in Iraq to guys who were in Vietnam and one guy who was in the IDF and one guy who was in Bosnia etc.

Some of its actually based on talking to veterans about Generation Kill and their impressions of its accuracy.

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No I base it on talking to actual veterans from multiple wars of all sorts from my grandfather who was in WW2 to guys who were in Iraq to guys who were in Vietnam and one guy who was in the IDF and one guy who was in Bosnia etc.

Some of its actually based on talking to veterans about Generation Kill and their impressions of its accuracy.


So talking to a handful of veterans makes you one, cool story.

"Toto, I've [got] a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore."

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No it doesn't and I never said it did.

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Stay in your lane civilian.

"Toto, I've [got] a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore."

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Today's wars aren't anything compared to what the Wars of the past were like, especially not like early modern warfare, for example World War II, Korea and the 6 Day War.

Wars today are based on intelligence, destroying a threat by cutting off its supplies, its reinforcments and the people's willingness to fight. Its also about politics, espcially in Afghanistan, its not about going gung-ho and killing the first thing that moves that isn't wearing a Coalition-force Uniform. We're trying to win over the local's trust, to cease their interest in wanting to fight against us and therefore diminishing what Al-Quaeda have to fight with.

It isn't an armoured war like Kursk, Kiev or those skirmishes across Western France, either. Tanks are so rarely used in Afghanistan, if they're lucky they'll pull five hours a month. Typically heading columns moving into new areas, or looking imposing at the gates of Kandahar.

This isn't war in a conventional sense. Its cloak and dagger, its about creating an image for the people there to follow. Its not the British and French facing off in lines hundreds long and dozens deep and meeting each other in the face on a field.

A truly conventional war with modern technology (picture games like Battlefield, but with thousands and much more coordinated, if that's where you've got the idea of what you think the war out there is like) would be catastrophic, that's when armoured warfare, major combined air assaults etc would take place. Today's tech is mostly designed for that kind of war, for Americans to kick the Ruskies in the balls as they crossed Europe and for Russia to smack them right in the face as they drop troops on American soil. Most of the vehicles out there have been designed within the last decade to protect soldiers in those situations, patrolling units with the threat of IEDs and small arms fire. They aren't expecting tanks to come rolling over the horizon, following a barrage of artillery.

Again, to sum up, its not a war of pitched, conventional means. Its quelling direct threats but trying as hard as possible to win over the hearts and minds of the locals so Al-Quaeda and any other organisations shrivel up and die.

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Had to respond because you commented most recently; but I think it is how they were used. Recon doesn't usually lumber around in Humvees do they. I think that was the point Colbert(Hitman) was making throughout and that Godfather couldn't seem to put a finger on. However, if they hadn't missed the bridge over the Euphrates, they might have gotten to do what they were training for initially, which still isn't recon's job (yet that's who they wanted to use; presumably due to their flexibility. I can't be sure because I've read neither book.

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Depends on how evenly matched the forces are. insurgent fighters are forced to fight like guerillas if they expect to do some damage against vastly superior forces.

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You got to keep in mind that this series basically follows the opening weeks of the Iraq War, which to a certain extent was a cake walk. It wasn't until Al-Qaeda showed up that the heavy fighting began. Watch something on The Triangle of Death or Fallujah.

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Join up, get deployed to a warzone and find out for yourself.

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Wars in all ages are about long periods of boredom which the soldiers fill with all sorts of stuff (dirty talk would be the first) and a few moments of sheer terror.

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Someone call Kirk Lazarus, this mans just went full retard

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