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Why did God let Hitler survive all the assassination attempts?


Ok, I'm just curious to discuss this in terms of religion. So, if Hitler is pure evil, it would make sense for a greater entity to put a stop to it, right? So, why was Hitler so lucky as to survive all 15 assassination attempts? So that he can eventually put a gun to his head and kill himself? Please share your thoughts.

P.S. I am just discussing this as openly as possible. Please do not feel offended in any way.

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Because there is no god, of course. No one has seen him yet...

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Free Will

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God and all religion is a joke but...

if a god existed and allowed all these then what can i say Islam fanatics you see what they do kidnap people and chop off their heads, we must imply that gods are "bad" and they exist only for people to be mislead (opium of the masses). See what happened with Jim Jones in Guyana, theres no good thing in religion only rumored "miracles" and "stories".

By the way ancient greek gods made more sense as symbolical figures (god of war, god of philosophy, god of etc) and these people 2000 and so years ago worshiped the values these gods represnted not the actual gods as "supreme beings"


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Actually no, God is an entity that has lived in my walk-in closet since 2004 and he has told me personally that he doesn't even know who Hitler is. I always joke with him that he should come out of the closet and read up on his history.

"How long was I in the army? Five foot eleven." - Spike Milligan

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That was extremely unfunny.

"Bullets! My only weakness... how did you know?"

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You didn't find it funny? I'm devastated, but somehow I'll find the strength to go on...



"A lot of people say to me...... get out of my garden" - Stewart Lee

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Well, "you could always become a writer for the show "Friends""!

"Bullets! My only weakness... how did you know?"

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Amusing, you should write jokes for "Dane Cook".

"A lot of people say to me...... get out of my garden" - Stewart Lee

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I already did. I wrote all his hilarious Oprah jokes...
Next summer I start working with Chris Tucker.

"Bullets! My only weakness... how did you know?"

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Glad you're keeping busy, but you forgot to mention your extensive work with Pauly Shore. Truly memorable.

"A lot of people say to me...... get out of my garden" - Stewart Lee

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Oh, my god...if you will excuse the expression. There may or may not be a god. I do believe in some kind of Force, but I have yet to find a god in which I can believe. From what I read, Hitler believed HE was on god's side. He had been terribly abused as a child (read Alice Miller) and his grandfather was jewish. I think he was mentally ill (look up borderline personality disorder) yet charming and convincing as they so often are. Borderlines make great salesmen, and they usually see things in black and white. Sophiechandra, sometimes it is just luck. Then again, maybe there are lessons to be learned about tolerance.
It seems to me that all of religion is a hoax, but if you need it, OK...just don't try to force it onto others. There is really no way to debate religion with the intellect. It is totally emotional.

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Interesting question, but I have an issue with portraying Hitler as "pure" evil. Hitler was just a man, and as a man he died. He was a clever man who was able to manipulate individuals to further his causes/beliefs. Nothing more, nothing less. If he was "pure" evil then I would think he could not be destroyed. The universe needs balance and if there is good, then there should be bad. An equilibrium will always be attained.
I'm not trying to say there is a God or not a God. I don't know and the only way any of us will know is upon our death bed.
As for the May 21 date, that really sucks as its 8 days before my birthday. The October 21 date isn't so bad, thats 4 days before my anniversary....guess I don't need to get the better half anything - other than salvation ;)

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In my personal opinion, God does not interfere with the affairs of humans because my personal belief is that God have dominion of the planet Earth to humans, therefore they can do whatever they want on it. They are not forced to comply with God's rules, but can choose to do so.

It also fits with the concept of free will. If someone wants to commit evil, God will not prevent them from committing it because do do that would be a violation of free will; that every being has the right to live as they choose to.

So Hitler being evil, along with everyone else who was ever evil, is OUR problem, not God's. It's happening on our planet with our people, so it is our responsibility to take care of the situation, because God won't hold our hands and babysit us on the planet that he gave us dominion over.

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That actually makes sense.

You and I were made for this
I was made to taste your kiss
We were made to never fall away

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This question can of course NOT be completely answered, since there are simply things we are NOT to know...A simplistic comment however, since its an interesting topic, is that God is Sovereign. This is precisely the reason we CANNOT answer this question.

The answer as posed by some that God gives men free will, so Hitler chose to be bad and to do this is a far simpler version and does not suffice. Since God knows all that will ever happen and has created and planned the world events to reveal his own glory, Hitler was destined to be an antichrist against the Jews in the particular time period and circumstances.

Other people ask this type of question because they find it hard to fathom that God would allow for this type of atrocity to happen...but Satan brought the Evil into the world...Not God. God detests evil, but the bible says he uses what Satan intended for Evil for good. Furthermore, what justifies, or WHY were so many innocent people killed? If we look in John 9:1-18 for the story of Jesus healing a blind man, his disciples ask Jesus what sin or evil had caused the man to suffer blindness from birth, Jesus answers that his circumstances had nothing to do with wrong he had done particularly, but that his blindness had been given to him at birth for the VERY PURPOSE of Healing..Jesus says he was blind so that Jesus could come along and heal him and display God's Glory. So this illustration shows that God plans things, Good and bad to happen to people sometime without tangible or simple reasons only to show his sovereignty. As it was mentioned in an earlier post, Hitler's rise and actions line up biblically as well; so God is sovereign who "allowed" Hitler to survive to finish the purpose he had...What would have happened if he had survived? God's timing is perfect, and not always for us to understand.

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God doesn't exist and Jesus is simply Palestinian MYTHOLOGY.

Just watch. The MYTHICAL Jesus will never appear eventhough it was promised he would. Christianity is dying off in the west and even Christians have admitted that.

You knew the fairy tale wouldn't last.

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Hitler was "pure evil"? What does that mean? He wasn't a man who chose to do terrible things? God, I think, had little, if anything, to do with Hitler's actions. Human beings allowed the atrocities to occur, not God.

Moreover, one has to wonder at the overly complex plots to assassinate Hitler. Why not simply shoot him? In all of Germany, was there no one willing to make such a sacrifice?

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Hitler was "pure evil"? What does that mean?


It means he was a man with no good in him. One only needs common sense to come to that conclusion.

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So is "pure evil" not a human being? Am I to understand that Hitler was something other than human? An alien perhaps?

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Of course he was human. But he was an evil person. How difficult is it to grasp this? Come on now.

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I suggest you read the original post. You're missing the point.

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I meant if there was a God or even fate or whatever you want to call it. The main reason for letting the beast live would be so he could screw up the rest of ww2 for the Nazi's by doing silly things like invading Russia.
Hitler was screwing Germany's war effort up faster than anyone else ever could have.His policy of "keinen Rückzug"-"Keine Kapitulation" (no retreat - no surrender) (EVER) ,got more Germans killed and captured than any other person as Fuhrer ever would have...Hitler actually shortened the war by micro-managing the whole bloody thing himself..Adolf Hitler was the best ally the UK ,US and Russia had in WW2...If the Wehrmacht and SS generals were allowed the freedom of the allied generals ,the European war would have been a hell of a lot harder and longer than it was because most of the good generals (and there was some abs. brilliant tactitions on the German side) were shot or sacked for not bringing Hitler what he wanted..

You Just Brought A Gun To A Bomb Fight, Officer!!!

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Some within his staff called him "carpet eater", after seeing him fly into a rage so intense that it left him on the floor gripping the carpet with his teeth and fists.True story...and Patton called him "that paper-hanging son of a bitch!" all the time, after Hitler's habit of going over wall maps with his staff on all the news reels.

You Just Brought A Gun To A Bomb Fight, Officer!!!

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Actually, Patton referred to Hitler as a "paper-hanging son of a bitch" due to the not-conclusively-proven, but oft-repeated claim that Hitler had worked hanging wallpaper prior to his rise to power. Cardinal George Mundelein had specifically (and quite famously) pegged Hitler as "an Austrian paper-hanger" in a 1937 speech to the Chicago Archdiocese.

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Hitler was "pure evil"? What does that mean?
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It means he was a man with no good in him. One only needs common sense to come to that conclusion.


Proof?



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If OP meant Jahve the answer is simple. Hitler and Jahve are kindred spirits. (Hint - read the Old Testament)

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so i just talked to god and she told me that OP is a *beep* moron. god is truth.

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