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girls like nora dont date guys like nick


super hot and super cool chicks just dont date plain awkward types, even if they both love sufjan stevens

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Except that Nora isn't even remotely close to "hot," let alone "super hot."

On the other hand, it IS true that girls like Tris, who are super hot, don't date guys like Nick.

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A) Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I find her incredibly attractive.
B) Stating that 'girls who look like____ never date guys that look like____' is incredibly naive, ignorant and a broad generalization all around. If you want to say "Girls like her dont date guys like me" you may, but that's your choice, though it is highly self defeatist . People that stay together will usually tell you they love their significant for them and how they treat them, not how they were on their first date.

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Why would she date nick, no reason to. She's hot and would get hit on all the time, by people alot better than Cera

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Sounds to me like someone is still trying to get over that time in high school when they could have asked out the cute girl, and maybe fallen in love, and maybe had a completely different life full of good things and happiness. But instead he decided she would never be interested in a guy like him and thus maintains that world view as he sits in his basement, crying about what might have been.

Girls don't all think one way. Neither do guys. Some girls like the nerdy, average guys. Some hot girls like the nerdy, average guys. And some guys dig the unpopular, kind of dorky girls. No one person is exactly the same as another person.

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what? tris looks like a 12 year old boy. nora is hotter than the sun.

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Actually girls can like people like Nick. People all have different taste.

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I don't think he settled. When Tris was dancing for him and he was remembering Norah, it was like Norah's relationship with Caroline, they're just the sidekick in their quests for attention. Nick and Norah were equals.

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Unless the super hot chick doesn't know that she is super hot. Of course, being regular guy with super hot chick who doesn't know that she's super hot comes with it's own issues.

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For starters, I think Norah doesn't realize how beautiful she is, she's not the prototype uberconfident, I'm-so-cool-and-hot-no-guy-is-worthy type, like Triss is. She was with a guy that treated her like crap. Nick made her realize she could be with someone who is good to her, despite the fact that he was kinda geeky.

I was the girl who went dancing every weekend, social butterfly, liked suave, jock types and never really hung out with "nerdy-types". Then I met my boyfriend who is a roleplaying, lord of the rings loving, medieval fencing goofy guy who made me see myself through his eyes, and I can't imagine my life without him. He wasn't who I thought I would love, but he is who I want to spend the rest of my life with. The geekiness is actually a part of him that makes me love him even more.

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That's one of the most beautiful things I've ever read.

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chocobopie: For starters, I think Norah doesn't realize how beautiful she is, she's not the prototype uberconfident, I'm-so-cool-and-hot-no-guy-is-worthy type, like Triss is. She was with a guy that treated her like crap.
I agree, she doesn't realize how beautiful she is. Part of that comes from her being the daughter of the owner of a famous recording studio. That status gets her into clubs without waiting in line. Nick asked her about it and she sidestepped the question. The question "Is he hitting on me because of who my dad is?" goes through her mind probably every time a guy hits on her.

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Along with Nora not realizing how "beautiful" she is, she really was just seeing herself with someone who was going to love her and respect her for who she is. She found someone who she had common interests with and she didn't have to worry about trying to impress him.

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The cold hard reality is that people don't "fall in love" with one another these days based on how they're treated or how much of a beautiful soul a person may have. It's about 3 things for women (in no particular order): money, status, looks. It's about 2 things for men (again in no particular order) looks and sex. I hear girls all the time talking about how they just want a guy that calls them beautiful instead of hot, that will hold her hand in public, that will kiss her when she's sad and blah blah blah... but the truth is that any guy that would actually do those things is either just doing that stuff until he's sure he can get her to have sex with him on a regular basis or he's that guy about which girls say things like "oh he's just too nice for me" or "he's too good of a friend for me to like 'that way'". Ultimately, people only fall in love these days if they're actors in a movie who aren't allowed to re-write the script.

Pretty girls who date loser-ish guys are doing so for one of several reasons: they want to control him, they have self-esteem issues, he's got money, they're making someone else jealous etc... love and how he treats her are absolutely non-factors...

Successful attractive men who date girls who aren't of "trophy status" do so for one of several reasons: she's got money, he's settling because he's scared of being alone, she's good in bed, he's making someone jealous etc... again, love and how he's treated are a non-issue...

Now i'm sure i'm gonna hear from all kinds of people who are the exception to all of these things. I'm sure there's some girl that's gonna tell me she just loves her man because he's so good to her and makes her feel pretty blah blah blah... trust me, it'll wear off.

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@ jdubhua, I couldn't have said it better myself. "Love" doesn't exist, plain and simple. And, while it's fvcked up and I'd be the first to admit that, it's also dead true.

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Wow, you guys are so cynical. While I agree that some of what you say is true, it's not always the case. I guess it depends on where you live or who you associate with. I guess I'm lucky, because I did find it. And with a girl who is out my league (based on what you guys are saying) and we've lasted quite a while. Good luck to you guys.

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not cynical, just realistic. i used to be in great shape and i was good-looking back in college, and I had no trouble getting dates. But i've recently gained a lot of weight and i now have the body of kevin james. As a result I can't even get a phone number anymore. Back then I could make girls laugh, I was always being told how sweet and cute i was. Now the same things that used to win all those complements don't do jack squat. the conclusion i've come to is that women, for the most part, are every bit as shallow as men but they just won't admit it. All those girls back then used to always talk about how they really liked my personality most of all and that's why they wanted to spend time with me and i really believed them. I worked really hard to not turn into a jerk because i liked having a good reputation with the girls at my school. but now I have the exact same "wonderful personality" and it doesn't get me anywhere. Sense of humor=useless as well. As a result, i am firmly convinced that my personality had nothing to do with it when I was doing well with the ladies. It was all about how i looked, otherwise i'd be doing just as well now that i'm overweight. So as a result I am having to work my ass off (literally) to get back in shape so I can get a date and not spend my free time watching lame crap like Nick and Norah and playing on the IMDB boards.

I've been on both sides of this: i was good looking back then and now i'm a fatty. The attractive me did well with women, the fat me, though i have the same personality, is not doing well at all with women. Conclusion, women date for looks first, status/money second, security third, fear of being alone fourth... love is really not on the list, it's just something women use to convince themselves that they're really not shallow or desperate.

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jdubhua, do you think maybe your own self-esteem went down the toilet and girls can see that? And that's why you can't get a nice girl? Or maybe the girls you used to date were superficial and you are still going after superficial girls? I feel sorry if you think that love doesn't exist or that people confuse love with having someone make you feel better about yourself. Because that is NOT what love is about.

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People who say that love, particularly adolescent love, is not based on superficiality are out of their minds. In the specific case of this couple, who we are lead to believe there is as instant attraction between (even if it takes the whole movie for the two of them to realize it) - it's not like these two grew up next door to each other and knew each for a long time - the situation leads to superficiality being the initial connecting force - and, yes, even music taste is a very superficial reason to be attracted to someone.

It's funny, because to say that love is superficial sounds ignorant to those who believe they are enlightened and believe otherwise, but much like anything else, the more truly enlightened you become, the more it comes full circle and you realize life really is as simple as you thought it was when you were young and stupid, only now you understand why.

We all come together for superficial reasons - in good situations, we stay together for deeper ones, unless it's based on feelings of obligation, dependency, or fear, but most of us would never allow ourselves to be cognizant of those true reasons and would likely rationalize them away.


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I will definitely agree that what initially draws us to someone is liking how they look. Certainly. I mean, what can you know about someone that you see across the room other than what they look like and if that interests you or not? But to say "true love doesn't exist" because you haven't experienced it is like saying "snow doesn't exist" because you live in an African desert. There are plenty of people in meaningful loving relationships based on respect, trust, and yes, attraction, and there are plenty of people who have to shovel their driveways in the winter.

I do have to disagree that the kind of music you like is a superficial thing to have in common. Our values and proclivities determine our tastes, and the books, music, and movies you like DO say something about your personality. About your depth, your intelligence, your beliefs, and plenty more.

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Thing is, a person doesn't have to be the hottest person on Earth for you to be attracted to them. It's a combination of factors.

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Sounds like you're reaching out of your league. If you're overweight or unattractive, you should pursue overweight or unattractive girls. If physical beauty in your partner is so important to you, then you should work harder to match that standard yourself. Also, you sound extremely bitter. Being rejected is no fun, but don't let it turn you into a pessimistic, cynical man, hiding behind the label of "realistic". It's not very realistic at all to hold sweeping generalizations as truth. Everyone is not shallow. Many people (women AND men) are, especially around my age and under (24), but not all. You're going for the wrong type, if that's the only kind of woman that you encounter.

Get yourself back in shape, work on not taking rejection so personally, and get out there and find someone that you're compatible with. Or keep holding onto your paper shield of cynicism, and see where it takes you. Either way, I wish you good luck!

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You really, really don't sound like you have a great personality. You sound very off-putting, in fact.

Look, appearance is certainly going to be a factor in these things. Everybody has different tastes, but with few exceptions, we all respond physically to whatever we personally find "attractive." There's no way around that. But that's not the same thing as saying there's some uniform set of criteria for attraction, or that looks are the sole (or even primary) criterion. There are shallow people out there who rely solely on looks or money as sources of attraction. But when you have a planet with 7.5 billion unique personalities, you can hardly avoid finding some people of that sort, just as you can hardly avoid finding people who are gay or into weird fetishes or prefer short people or have little interest in sex or get turned on by philosophical discourses or...well, you get the point. In your case, you've chosen to extrapolate your personal failings onto society at large, and it's terribly unattractive...at least to me and to people I know.

I'll be the first to admit that, being considered a reasonably but not extraordinarily attractive person has occasionally made things easier for me. I've never been actually rich, just comfortable, so that's a non-factor. But intelligence, confidence, and gregariousness are the traits that do the real work. Being able to hold my own in the looks department ultimately has had very little effect on my overall lifestyle, and will have less and less effect as I get older and less conventionally (i.e. youthfully) attractive. If you don't think your attitude is a major source of your inability to attract people, you're doomed to repeat the cycle of futility indefinitely. This isn't an attack, simply an observation you might benefit from heeding.

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The cold hard reality is that people don't "fall in love" with one another these days based on how they're treated or how much of a beautiful soul a person may have.


What a crock of total sht.

On another note any guy in their right mind should kill for a girl like Norah to fall for them. Tris was as smart as a toaster and as shallow as a teaspoon of water.

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Guy's in a band. Adds +1 to his rating.

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Norah isn't super hot. I found it refreshing to have a plain looking girl in a mainstream film.

She wasn't particularly cool either. She dressed like a dork and was equally awkward what with all her lame jokes and cheesy lines.

Nick was pretty cool really. His band had a pretty big crowd and people recognised him from his band. He also wasn't very awkward in this film.

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They made a very believable couple imo. Nora wasn't unattractive, but somewhat of a butterface. Actually most girls were a little rough looking in this movie. Cera's Nick had the same sorta-cute-but-not-really-thing going on. They also had good chemistry.

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Yeah exactly, she's cool, hot, beautiful and he's really lame and awkward type(like you said).

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Are woman still coming out with this bull about personality?

Do they think men don't have eyes in their heads? Wherever I have been the good looking, attractive, rich, man with status get the girl not the ugly unattractive poor ones.

Occasionally a female might watch a film like this and does the ugly to sqwaurk about personality, but thats rare.


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