Which character on the show has the best leadership ability?
Of the current characters I'd have to give it to Dany but in terms of past seasons I thought Tywin was a good leader as well.
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Surprised to see so many people say Dany.
I'd say Ned, as long as he was in the North of course. Pretty much everyone in his kingdom loved and respected him because he and his ancestors worked for it, but they also knew he wasn't a pushover. Even years after his death they still mourn him.
Jon's another skilled leader who got screwed over by the writers this season by having him (and Sansa) appear incompetent so Davos could have something to do. He's good at commanding respect and comes across as an honorable and trustworthy man, which the Northerners probably appreciate.
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and his people follow him.
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Who other than Lyanna follows Davos? And why didn't he bring them to the battle?
Craze_boi, it's clear at this point that people aren't even trying to be objective.
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All the soldiers and henchmen and bureaucrats who get ordered around by the Hand
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Where are those people exactly?
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The numerous soldiers in both Stannis' and Jon's army.
The former were mercenaries who abandoned them. The latter followed Jon.
The Black Watch guys with Davos defending Jon's body.
And started to before he got there. Because they were marked for death as his friends.
Davos has a quiet, not showy, but real leadership capacity.
Despite my disappointment this season I was fangirling Davos while you were still in the maple leafs your parents used for diapers. But that doesn't mean Craze_boi is asking for what we wish to be true. He is asking for actual truth. And nothing you describe has been shown in show (although certainly in books).
In the show he is depicted as the ultimate follower.
You are undermining the integrity of this thread and frankly should be eliminated from the running for first place.
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Stannis didn't have a court nor was he a real king. I don't deny real Hands do that. But Davos has never been Hand to a real king before.
He's not Jon's Hand.
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In my heart I know that leaders lead. And Davos can't even confront a witch on his own.
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hell of a better possible leader,
Not denying that. But he has not reached his potential, at all.
Although Tywin was a great leader. He ended the war without pointless slaughter of his men in battle. His actions regarding Dorne stuff were beyond stupid though.
I wanted to respond to your other post!! Lol!
I knew you knew I was joking but I don't want other people to think I'm a bitch and then lose first prize of this thread out of spite.
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Tyrion by far
My name is Darth Jar Jar. Master of the Drunken Force technique. All of you will be my slaves.
Personally, though I think Tyrion does have leadership potential, I think he undermines himself with his arrogance and his impulsive decisions/actions.
One thing that struck me when I was rewatching the show last month was how much Tyrion dooms himself in Kings Landing with his own behavior. He has a tendency to not only antagonize but also humiliate people because they hurt his feelings or because he dislikes them. And to be fair to them, a lot of these people are awful and it is cathartic when he lashes out at them (both for him and the viewer), but it just comes back to bite him when he actually needs friends and allies.
"Pirates could happen to anyone."
He has a tendency to not only antagonize but also humiliate people because they hurt his feelings or because he dislikes them.
Instantly thought of his 2 or 3 interactions with Theon.
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Exactly!
He still hasn't learned. I also think he let his own arrogant belief that "he knows things" dictate policy in Meereen instead of listening to the people who had lived in the city and were more familiar with the political situation and culture.
That being said, I am glad he calls Dany out when she gets murderous urges. That's why I think Tyrion makes a good advisor--provided he's not the only trusted advisor--but he shouldn't be left in charge, in my opinion.
"Pirates could happen to anyone."
Tyrion is the vengeful underdog. He is often dismissive first because he expects the aggression before it comes and he always expects it.
I lost all sympathy for him when he accused a whole city for a trial which at most his father, his sister or his former lover were manipulating.
It makes him the last type of person I want to see in charge of anything.
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That scene at his trial really bothered me too.
Rewatching the series was really eyes opening in regard to Tyrion. He'd never been a favorite of mine, but I usually did like and sympathize with him.
On the second viewing, though, I picked up much more on his bad traits, and it really did affect my opinion of him. I don't hate him, per se, but I'm a lot less sympathetic.
In addition to that trial scene, I was particularly bothered by how rude and dismissive he was to underlings. Sure, he's funny, but it was still really dickish on his part. There were a couple of scenes where he was needlessly antagonist toward the Hound without provocation and even Bronn had this look on his face like "is this really necessary? "
"Pirates could happen to anyone."
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Cheruth. She objectively gave you the only objective answer.
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I'm campaigning for the OP to accept your victory!
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This thread has no prizes I'm afraid though it has been interesting to read other people's opinions. Personally I still adhere to my own initial viewpoint. Of the current characters I'd take Dany but from the history of the entire show I'd go with Tywin.
I think the weaknesses with Lysa's case have already been pointed out by Leo and others. Stannis meanwhile was never able to muster a great deal of support to his cause and resorted to hiring mercenaries who he then alienated by burning his own daughter in front of them. Ned was probably a good leader, or at least competent, though we never got to see much of it - one potential indicator is that he reconquered the Iron Islands for Robert but the show gives barely any detail on this.
Dany I rate mostly from her actions in season 3 where she conquers the cities. She was also able to give good speeches to the Unsullied and Dothraki to get them to follow her. I admit she isn't perfect though and has made mistakes.
Tywin seemed to do a good job of getting people on the small council to follow him and the other Lannisters seemed to largely back him without dissent. And while I admit any conclusion based on those points alone is at least part speculative it does seem to suggest his leadership capability was at least competent.
Cheruth. She objectively gave you the only objective answer.She praised a ruler. The subject is about leadership. They're different things.
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We've not seen enough of the supposedly great leaders like Yara, Euron, the "new Khal," etc. to pass judgement about their aptitude for leadership.
Jaime's lack of ambition + ball and chain (Cersei) have been a constraint on his leadership ability his whole life. When he needs to, however, he can lead much like his father. I see him being forced into exploiting his leadership ability during S7 and 8.
Jon and Dany are not talented leaders, but they are effective leaders. Both of them are accomplished leaders based on their respective achievements in the show; their *luck*/divine intervention played major roles in their successes. But the fact remains that they have the "ability" to lead people into various successful military encounters. And, if you adjust their ages down to what GRRM had them at in the books it can be chalked up to them "learning" life and how to lead.
Sansa deserves mention. So does LF, who has systematically maneuvered himself into the position to mobilize the Vale's military to further his aims. Sansa's aims are unclear as of yet, and I want to see more of what she can do and the impact she can make with respect to how well she can lead before stating she has relatively great leadership ability.
Cersei is commanding and ruthless. Her coldness and the dynamic b/w Jaime and her will probably not end well.
I'd say Jaime and Tyrion both possess untapped leadership potential that will shine through soon. They don't need to be "kings" to lead, just as a manager isn't the same as a leader, so Tyrion acting as advisor to Dany could showcase superb leadership potential. Jon will grow into his presumed role as "king," question is will his luck be paired with leadership skill, or will he just continue to have the gods protect him?
Also, Debaku is the best leader.
Please discuss.