Shame On Anyone That Pays To See This Trash

ok, trade again.

"The war is necessary."
This is your opinion and not a fact. There are many opinions which are similar to my own, formed by very educated men and women who may view "common sense" differently than you or I.

"Fighting back when someone tries to kill you is necessary..."
Did I miss something here, no Iraqi came onto our shores and hurt anyone. This ten links down the chain argument is getting kind of old. If you wanted to take Saddam, fine, shoot him in the head. End of story. One platoon in, one bullet fired, lots of lives spared. "Then they are going to kill civilians" Well, they are caught in more crossfires than they can count right now anyway.


"I think the fact that the government has anything AT ALL to say about marriage is ludicrous."
Agreed. Unfortunately this comes down to an economic issue that those in power want to stay the way it is.

"Then let's tell the government to quit meddling in business..."
There are a few monopolies in the old days that may prevent this from ever coming to light, but we can move toward it at least. If nothing else, get their money out of the pockets of the men and women on the Hill.

"Some of those people are guided by their faith in their religious convictions..."
I don't mean how someone may form their judgment on a given decision, I mean that nothing in government should be done in the name of any religion. The wall of separation is an appropriate measure to be taken in a nation that trumpets freedom in all things. This issue is especially touchy, but also one that tends to not directly injure anyone, at least as far as I know.

"Pressure from the Electorate might.."
And why not field champions under a new label. It wouldn't be the first time that the parties changed shape.

"Which powers?"
Phone tapping? Don't give me this "he is a wartime president like Lincoln and Roosevelt and needs to do it to secure the Union". He is not a wartime president because we are not at war. This is not to say that troops are not out there fighting a bloody battle, but war has never been declared.

"Who did that!!??"
Too many. And not just on these silly boards, where people don't have to save face after making a (I believe) unanimously (almost) conceived ludicrous comment. There are groups on campuses and workplaces across the country who will hold up signs acknowledging as much and even say it to your face. Stuff like that really ticks me off. And they do like to tell you that you are a bad person because of this belief.

"I resent the fact that someone (in high places in the current administration) had the gnads to demean the memories of those lost in Vietnam, and those still affected by it, by using the unfortunate situation upon those troops to bring guilt upon men and women who dissent from their point of view."
This is low-lying propaganda from the Bush administration since the war started to go bad. They like to draw this comparison to make people feel bad. If anything, we learned how big a mistake we made back then.

"When you start to understand the nature and history of the conflict currently underway..."
Sorry, i didn't realize I was a ill-informed, aggregated sixth grader here. Believe me I know how it has been there. And this is why i realize that what we are doing there now is very likely not going to put any of it to a stop. My family is not in danger because of Iraqis killing each other, so I do not feel inclined to lower myself into the conflict. Maybe it is a good thing that Americans are tired of conflict. Maybe not all Americans think like Cheney and want to test all of their new Pentagon toys on the most convenient target. Maybe there is an entire generation here that has been through this once already in a lifetime and don't want to be told that it is a weakness to want to avoid it yet again.
If they indeed "want every family in the country to pitch in" then I want to see those twin daughters step into the recruitment line before I do. Iraq was not threatening the world. Perhaps your vast education on the subject proves differently, but Saddam was no new Hitler. I do not believe the stakes were not as high for Americans as some may have made it appear.

Everything else I am in agreement on.

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