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Not a satisfying flick, plain bland and boring to say the least


I bought this film on DVD a few days ago because IGN touted it out as the best anime of 2007. Now, I'm not a fan of what people describe as 'anime' - I thought Ghost in the Shell was barely above average, I thought Spirited Away was incredibly overrated but there are some animation movies from Japan that have managed to make an impression on me. Like Whisper of the Heart, which has remained as my most favourite movie of all time since I first experienced its greatness.

I wasn't really expecting much from Paprika because I knew it was going to suck to matter how hard I tried to like it. 'Anime' these days is all about reenacting old cliches and archetypes in an even worse manner than anything, and I knew this film was just going to do that all over again. But I did have a bit of faith that somehow, by some miracle, it might just turn my preemptive judgments false.

Oh, how mistaken I was!

Paprika is exactly what I expected it to be. Pure Japanese fluff that praises itself to be high-art but does nothing artistic in its stale attempts whatsoever. To everyone defending this movie to be a piece of art: please learn the difference between actual art and colourful drawings, and this is more of the latter. Everything drawn by hand doesn't classify as art. Hardly, in fact. Art is something that serves a deeper purpose than its superficial self shows. One could argue that I have yet to discover that 'deeper purpose' of this film, but I doubt I'd ever find it. It's just what it is - meaningless entertainment.

Shallow characters, predictable save-the-word-from-evil sort-of storyline, art-style and animation were barely above average, there's no proper plot, no structure, no focus, it just drags on and on with nothing in its sight and then ends without any real climax. Yes, I understand this is supposed to be a 'surreal' film, but I wonder if the director even knows what a surreal film is. The first and foremost rule of a surreal (or semi-surreal film, for that matter) is that it should never try and explain itself, and Paprika just tries too hard there to properly work.

I would be cool with it if it were just mindless entertainment - I enjoy that as well. But Paprika doesn't want to be that either. It doesn't know where to go or what to be so it takes desperate jabs in-between and fails.

There's also zero focus within the story. Is this the story about Atsuko, who's trying to find the missing DC Minis? Is this the story about the detective, who's trying to find out about his past? Is this the story about Tokita, who's constantly trying to find himself? One movie needs one story, not ten. If this was a movie about Atsuko, she needs to be in this movie at all times - or if she's not seen, we need to know the scene is somehow connected to her.

Same with any other character, because by throwing so many stories at us at once, you're literally screaming "We don't know how to make the story strong! So, we'll just add more sub-plots and subplots to those sub-plots to add intricate depth to the story." And the truth is, it doesn't bring any depth at all. If anything, it makes me dislike this film more and more.

At the end of the day, I'd say Paprika is a film below average. It tries too hard to be like Miyazaki, to bring the mystique of his films into this, but in the end, it just feels like a cheap rip-off.

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You bought the DVD expecting it to suck. Already hating the genre of "Anime", and disliking any and all movies similar to this. What were you expecting, I mean my god, of course your going to hate it. This movie isn't for everyone, but if you knew you were going to hate it why the bleep did you buy it, or even watch it.

And as far as surrealist should never explain itself, Surrealist art does whatever the bleep it wants to, if a director can find a wall to break he is going to tear it down. There is no denying this is a surrealist film, in the vein of twin peaks, which means it has a plot and the surrealism makes sense and can be explained. I mean you can't set the guidline "okay analupean dog is the epitomy of surrealism, therefore all films of a surrealist nature must be like this". That defies the very point of surrealism.

And just because it has multiple plot lines and the characters have multiple goals does not mean the story has zero focous. I mean god man, why did you even watch it.

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You bought the DVD expecting it to suck. Already hating the genre of "Anime", and disliking any and all movies similar to this. What were you expecting, I mean my god, of course your going to hate it. This movie isn't for everyone, but if you knew you were going to hate it why the bleep did you buy it, or even watch it.


I already gave my reasons. IGN put it on #1 as the best anime of 2007 right after Death Note. I had to see what film could it be that had overshadowed Death Note, one series I'm quite fond of.

And I clearly stated I do not hate the entire genre. I just dislike most of it.

And as far as surrealist should never explain itself, Surrealist art does whatever the bleep it wants to, if a director can find a wall to break he is going to tear it down. There is no denying this is a surrealist film, in the vein of twin peaks, which means it has a plot and the surrealism makes sense and can be explained. I mean you can't set the guidline "okay analupean dog is the epitomy of surrealism, therefore all films of a surrealist nature must be like this". That defies the very point of surrealism.


True, but does this film really bring out the feeling of absolute confusion and phantasmagoria that it's supposed to? No.

Ergo, it fails.

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Note: i should not have called Anime a genre, it's japanese animation, not a genre, my fault.

was it supposed to bring a "feeling of absolute confusion and phantasmagoria"? (good use of phantasmagoria by the way). As far as I am concerned it did not fail in being a surrealist film because it was an arguable point. It definatley has surrealist imagery, but it is arguable as to wether or not it is a surrealist film. Of course that's the thing, if it's not surrealist then it's not, therefore if it is not surrealist it did not fail in being surrealist because it was an irrelevent question anyways. It was what it was, there should be no guidlines it had to follow, i mean bloody hell, what would film be without a little experimentation. It was a conceivable (possibly) surrealist film. Accept it and stop trying to genre it. I mean i don't have a problem with you not liking it, i just don't like the way your arguing for not liking it, if that makes anysense. I'm not conveying myself as well as i want to right now.

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Experimentation is one thing, not knowing what you're trying to experiment with is another. See, Paprika, while trying to break conventions, does nothing but follow conventions themselves!

You have a typical mystery story at first, then it escalates into major chaos and all the 'normal people' are affected by it (ever occurred to you that Chiba never turns into one from the 'furniture' in the parade, when apparently she's the one that's easily affected as told in the beginning?), then the super-hero protagonist drops in and kills the huge enemy and saves the entire world from danger. Sound familiar?

That's my argument for not liking it. Cookie-cutter story that's been done a million times before.

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Thanks for the recommendation! I'm interested in seeing that as well if it is indeed more "serious" as you say. I never had anything against the director himself. I judge movies for what they are, not by the person who made them, so I'm open minded towards his other work (although, unfortunately I haven't seen anything else by Satoshi Kon so far).

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Just a little thought for you though it obviously can't be proven.

It is possible that the film was about the "bad guys" beating the "good guys", they created the technology (though it was for a positive cause) whereas the chairman was trying to stop the technology distroying dreams, basically I think there was an anti-technology theme going on and Paprika was the "bad" person.

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Dude, you should take more drugs and just enjoy the beauty of the film

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Stop marketing yourself on here, its a site for opinions not advertising. The worst part is your opinion sucks, on top of being pretentious. Go away.

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How could anyone not like Spirited Away? But that's off-topic.

Your criteria seem a little puzzling. I also think that Whisper of the Heart is better than Paprika but that's a bit like saying Da Vinci is better than Michelangelo. You could dismiss Whisper as just another Boy Meets Girl story. After all no genuinely new stories have been written in the last ten thousand years, and most stories are Boy Meets Girl.

Other stories have confrontations between a protagonist and an alter-ego, but how many have resolved it like Paprika does?

Love triangles are ancient but this one is seriously unexpected.

How many stories have you seen with evil trees?

Other stories have virtual reality as themes but how many are as joyful as Paprika?

Anyway, originality is not the measure of merit. But I don't know of lots of other films that are simultaneously weird and well-done and optimistic. Kon seems to stand somewhere between Miyazaki and Alfred Hitchcock.

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Stop marketing yourself on here, its a site for opinions not advertising. The worst part is your opinion sucks, on top of being pretentious. Go away.


Honestly, do you hear yourself?

How could anyone not like Spirited Away? But that's off-topic.

I do like Spirited Away. In fact, I like it a lot. I just don't think it's the best animation movie ever made.


Other stories have confrontations between a protagonist and an alter-ego, but how many have resolved it like Paprika does?

Love triangles are ancient but this one is seriously unexpected.

How many stories have you seen with evil trees?

Other stories have virtual reality as themes but how many are as joyful as Paprika?

Anyway, originality is not the measure of merit. But I don't know of lots of other films that are simultaneously weird and well-done and optimistic. Kon seems to stand somewhere between Miyazaki and Alfred Hitchcock.


Well, that's your opinion of it I suppose. But perhaps you need to start watching more movies if you think Paprika is the first one to be 'weird and optimistic'.

I just didn't like Paprika. I don't know why, just everything seemed to not work in my eyes.

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I can understand what you're trying to say OP, but I have to disagree I'm afraid. ^_^ Yes, it did use plenty of conventions we're used to - dreams, love triangles, secret power-abusing bad guys, virtual reality ... but I don't know, there was just something about it that made me think of it as individual, creative film in it's own right.

I think, because of the lack of confusing cliffhanger and presence of a more traditional 'happy' ending, that it seems different to most of your average 'mind-trip' films (anime or not). And the exploration of the self, demonstrated by the clashing personalities of Paprika and her more reality focused opposite, seems more artistic to me than some so-called art these days =/

Anyway, overall I thought the best thing about it was that it questioned so much, and yet still was a sort of 'feel good' movie, unlike most films which go into philosophical questioning and controversial thought, which just leave you confused and depressed.

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i have to admit deathnote was indeed a good anime, but not all of it, only the first part when L was the main enemy of Yagami. after that it sucked bigtime!


and paprika it's a nice movie i rated it 10. and i think it's some good anime. ohh and the story it' about all of them, paprika, the detective all of them make one big "happy dream" :D


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OP: "I just didn't like Paprika. I don't know why, just everything seemed to not work in my eyes."

Your entire original post could have been boiled down into those few words and it would have lost nothing at all.

This belongs under the reviews, not on a discussion forum.

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lol that is so true but it was a good read to kill time i guess.

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Does the OP like shows with dream themes like inception? If he doesn't, that probably means he doesn't like this genre of shows. Whether it is best Anime 2007 or whatever won't help matters any.

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I know, but then I would of been called a troll and told to go away, and I do not like that.

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That was possibly the most vilified and ill-informed flaming of a film I've seen in a while. Okay, you've kept me up with your post, so I might as well respond:

Firstly: your claim that this film attempts to be Miyazaki-like and fails is a terribly mis-informed perception of "anime". Now, watch what I'm about to do; it's a special little technique called backing up what you say. I COULD just say "I dunno, your opinion just sucks" or "gtfo troll!!1!" but I will treat you like a normal human being and express my opinion and basis thereof while waiting for yours. Sorry for the tangent. >.<
Anyways, what I was about to say was that while Miyazaki is the most mainstream animated director from japan ["Anime" is not a genre, no matter what Blockbuster tells you. "Disney" isn't one either. That's like saying "German Films" or "French Films" are genres. Seriously. It's all in the nationality. Sorry for my second tangent. I do that at 12:41 at night.] and in my opinion rightfully so, I will be the first to say his films are the culmination of anime cliches. The Moe character designs with large, expressive eyes and slightly disproportionate bodies, the fact that all his films follow the same format of finding inner strength [and except for three and a half films (Princess Mononoke, Porco Rosso, Lupin the III and "Howl" in Howl's Moving Castle), female inner strength], the flying, even the humor; all are beautifully done, but quite frankly, are within the parameters of "anime" you yourself seem to despise, OP. Satoshi Kon, the director of Paprika, is a fan of Miyazaki. In the way that Picasso was a fan of Matisse. They are both auters and both have their own styles. Satoshi Kon just so happens to despise the standards Miyazaki adheres to. It doesn't mean they won't appear in his work; for Christ's sake, there are only 7 types of stories to begin with. THey figured that out in ancient Greece! The whole point of Kon's work, though, is his attempts to abandon the restraints of the set form. Just look at the animation. It is fanciful, yes, and "Miyazaki-like", but only in the fact that it is so well done and so damn pretty. Kon pursues some of the most realistic forms in animation I've seen in modern times. For example, the characters in Kon's films ACTUALLY LOOK ASIAN. Let me restate this to let the gravity of this technique sink in: usually, in animation from Japan, ESPECIALLY the Moe style, the cliche of a character's general design principle overshadows any individuality that can be injected into the concept. Hence, approximately a septillion shows that have cute bug eyed female characters that all look the same.
The reason Kon does this is because he aims to make animation observe serious and human issues. Yes, this film follows multiple story lines. I'm sorry if that made your brain hurt. But seriously, this film was ABOUT the confusion people face in their dreams. No *beep*.ing *beep* the movie will be confusing. That doen't mean the cop and Atsuko have no connection; it actually shows specifically how their problems are related to each other and how Paprika unifies the characters in their realization that they must stop lying to themselves and being repressed. Sorry, but I have to stop now. The point is, if you like Death Note, which I think at least tries what Kon does, check out "Paranoia Agent". a mini-series that Kon did. Thanks. :)

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You're a simpleton. Life will disappoint you continually because you won't be able to understand it's beauty and horror.

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LOL, I'm guessing that was aimed at the OP, right Ohio? ^^

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the plot is not the only thing to judge in Kon's works.

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of course not; his technical skills are to be considered as well.

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You're a simpleton. Life will disappoint you continually because you won't be able to understand it's beauty and horror.


Riiiiight...

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maybe if you would have seen satoshi's earlier movies you'd understand him and the fact that you disliked other anime films proofs to be you just don't take any anime seriously. so my question is have you seen any other asian movies of any kind even bollywood? becasue the asian mindset and art is way different that anyting in the west. and really frolm what you say about this film i'd say you really misunderstood it completely. like when you say it was trying to be like miyazaki, what of miyazaki was this trying to be like they are very different directors with sompletely different visions. I'm also really confused what you saw in whisper of the heart that you didn't see in this or the other films? Because you are really just saying to me if it is asian then you don't like it. whisper fo the heart is the most western thing gibli has ever made.

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so my question is have you seen any other asian movies of any kind even bollywood?


I've grown up watching Indian films, I have literally seen over a hundred of them. I've been watching Chinese movies since childhood, and have (for a few years) been watching Korean, Japanese, Taiwanese, and Thai films as well.

So, yes, I have seen many Asian films.

becasue the asian mindset and art is way different that anyting in the west. and really frolm what you say about this film i'd say you really misunderstood it completely. like when you say it was trying to be like miyazaki, what of miyazaki was this trying to be like they are very different directors with sompletely different visions.


Perhaps I did misunderstand it, but only because I couldn't get into it enough to understand it too well. From what I saw, it was just some random scenes loosely stringed together - sure, the scenes were captivating, but they didn't connect the plot as well as I'd think so. Everything was just too...random.

I'm also really confused what you saw in whisper of the heart that you didn't see in this or the other films? Because you are really just saying to me if it is asian then you don't like it. whisper fo the heart is the most western thing gibli has ever made.


Mind you, I'm Asian myself, so foreign to me wouldn't be the Asian cinema but the Western one.

Whisper is a very personal film to me, hence why I like it. It's like the most accurate reflection of my former childhood innocence I've ever come across. That, and almost everything in it is flawless - from the art-style to the quirky acoustic soundtrack, it just strikes the right chord with me.


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You're not a fan of anime but you talk about "anime these days" as if you're intimately familiar with the subject.

Different strokes and all that, but your criticism is simply so absurd and way off the mark that it can't be taken seriously. It's painfully obvious that you don't understand cinema at all, and thus you should not be talking about it. Leave this stuff to people who have a clue.

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I wish I had watched this movie a year ago so that when I jumped on imdb this would have been a fresh topic...

OP, if you are still out there, if I list a few of the themes and conflicts present in this movie will you admit that it contains "something that serves a deeper purpose than its superficial self shows"?

Ok here it goes:
(Anyone else who thinks that the movie contained any "deep" ideas I missed please add to the list!)

1. Adult Sensibility Vs. Childhood Imagination
2. Technology can make nature more beautiful or exploit it.
3. The isolated nature of the mind's existance.

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Wow, people still post here!

Oh man it's been long since I last saw the film lol so I don't remember everything. But from what I can recall I think you might be reading too much into the film.

To me, Paprika gave the impression that the director wanted to create something completely bullocks with no head or feet, and just went with it. Which is perhaps even true. More often than not, a lot of the 'genius' out there is accidental. So the three points you raised - I don't think they were intentional at all. Maybe if they seem that way to you, that's great because now you have more of a reason to like the film. But I don't think so, I don't feel that way, and therefore, I still think the film is really overrated.

I don't have a problem with people liking the film, I just have a problem when people try to prove it as this cinematic genius in animation... because it's not. Far from it even. There's no real genius behind the lines if no one gave it a second thought - it's just the director doing some completely random things which look and sound deep, but when you look into them there's no real depth there. Not for me, at least.

To give a completely offbeat example: it's like comparing a world renounced, classic novel...with random scribbles on a paper. Sure, they seem fresh and original and different, but there's no meaning behind them and they can't be understood, therefore they can't be called genius.

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Can you back that up with a quote or something? Because I have a really hard time believing that Kon just basically just sh@t pretty colors and called it a movie.

Also to your scribbles on paper comment, clearly your unfamiliar with post-modernism...

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Not really something he can back up with a quote. The movie would be his quote.

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I don't know, but maybe part of your problem with Paprika is just that you were expecting too much. I don't think Kon thought he was going to change the world with this. I doubt that he goes around claiming it's the greatest work of art ever created, or anything like that. It's just anime, but it's certainly more creative and original than about 90% of the cyber-trash crap that gets churned out every year. Let's at least admit that much.

Also, you say 'this has been done before' and that is apparently a big turn-off for you. OK, but as someone else said, isn't Whisper of the Heart a boy-meets-girl story? That certainly has been done before, too. The fact that Paprika has a protagonist, a villain, and a conflict in which good triumphs hardly seems like a valid criticism. I mean, why not just criticize it for having characters and dialogue, and say 'that's been done before'?

Yes, there are a lot of SF cliches out there, and Paprika uses a few of them. But visually this is a pretty original work. The story is not earth-shattering, but I think it's pretty outstanding just for the visuals.

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Heh...yeah we still post!

I just saw the movie for the first time myself the other day and...I'm inclined to agree more with you than anyone else on the film. A few years ago I started getting really into "anime" after a term paper I did in college...Grave of the Fireflies was the first that really showed me that there was more to that animation style than just...I don't know what, but there was something I didn't like about it before. Since then, I've slowly been working my way through the ones I hear are really good...and it was finally Paprika's turn. But I just didn't like it. I couldn't get interested in it. I don't blame the animation, because the animation was great. it was just the way it was pieced together...the way the characters talked...and the way it seemed to be trolling the ocean...slowly. Was there a message in there? Maybe...maybe not. I couldn't tell. it's not that things weren't making sense, it's that there was nothing encouraging me to pay more attention. And before anyone starts jumping on saying I just can't handle "slow" movies, you can hold off. There are plenty of movies I've seen an enjoyed that unfold in a slow, graceful manner. This just wasn't one of them. It doesn't bother me at all when people say they like it, I mean - good! Great! I just didn't, and I can totally understand why others might not.

I applaud you, OP, for being honest in your post by telling us how you feel about the genre in general, or maybe not so generally. That shouldn't be a disqualifying point. You shouldn't have to be an "expert" in anime to enjoy one of its films. You shouldn't have to love all the others. Outisders looking in are just another form of critic, and a movie should be able to appeal regardless of its typecast genre. I'm not a particular fan of horror films...but there are some horror films that I like, and I actively view other horror films in the hopes of finding more that I like. Same thing, right?


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OK, a few things about Paprika that have not been brought up so far.

First of all, it was based on a novel. Rather than being "just the director doing some completely random things which look and sound deep", the writer/director (yes Virginia someone writes the movie before the director starts directing) was trying to recreate in animation something which had been conceived for the printed page.

Second of all, I'm not sure you understand what surrealism is. Surrealism is an artistic movement that was created in the early 20th century which was largely focused on realising Freudian psychoanalysis in artistic form. It was also intended as a revolutionary act, in the political sense; it partly grew out of Dadaism, which was based on the idea that the only sane response to WWI was insanity (or more precisely irrationality). Paprika is quite bizarre in some senses, but it is not surrealism.

Third, I know you've said that you like to judge a movie on its own merits and not by its creator, but as a movie Paprika is very much a development of the obsessions of writer/director Satoshi Kon, who saw something in the original novel that sparked off his own ideas. If you watch his earlier work (not so much Tokyo Godfathers, but very much Perfect Blue and Millennium Actress as well as parts of his series Paranoia Agent) you will notice that Paprika is in many ways a refinement of concepts and ideas he has been working out for years. Sometimes it can be more rewarding to view an artwork (or entertainment if you insist) as part of the creator's larger oeuvre.

Anyway, at the end of the day I really do think that you didn't "get" Paprika. I went into it with some idea of the writer/director's previous work, and the movie made perfect sense to me. In no way did it seem like "just some random scenes loosely stringed together" - it all seemed to be clearly working and moving in the same direction.

I would be very interested to hear what sorts of movies you do consider to have depth. Partly just because I like movie recommendations. :-)

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i have to say, the fact that you admit to not fully understanding this movie and movies like spirited away, shows that you're really unqualified to even post an opinion on it. it's also based off of a book, so really, this is one directors interpretation of what he's read [which was whole-heartedly praised by the author himself]. if "anime" or japanese animation in general was not your cup of tea to begin with, then why bother continuing to seek it out? everyone is right, your opinions are baseless. you cannot possibly form a proper opinion on anything without fully understanding it. if you're too dense to understand a complex plot and too "refined" to appreciate an excess of visual effects, then stop pretentiously writing reviews on sh.t you know nothing about. writing well doesn't make you smart. all of your opinions are so generic, i can barely tell if you were actually watching the movie.

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The theme that I picked up was the need to keep the world of dreams and reality in balance. They nurture each other and need each other. Everything that we manufacture in the world or make of ourselves began as a dream. Chiba was too mechanistic in her approach to therapy. She suppressed her feelings for the man she loved and treated Paprika like a puppet. The Chairman went to the opposite extreme, becoming swallowed up by his dreams and trying to destroy reality.

There is also a gender duality. The villains try to use force and coercion and enact male fantasies of power. Chiba and her team mostly respond in kind using technology. Victory comes when Konakawa is able to reconcile with his childhood dreams and when Chiba is able to reconcile with Paprika. By unifying reality and dreams in an effective and wise manner they both become whole people.

The Chairman colossus is full of domineering fantasies of destruction, immortality and domination. The Chiba\Paprika colossus accepts mortality, the power of the feminine, the power of childhood and serenely dissolves when she achieves her purpose.

Another obvious theme (but less interesting to me) is that it is a variation on the old meditation: "Am I a philosopher dreaming of being a butterfly, or a butterfly dreaming of being a man?"

Paprika herself is a manifestation of the sheer joy of letting your imagination run free. Her joyfulness is a big part of her ability to be an effective healer.

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I watched 30 minutes and knew i would regret if i watched the rest.

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I couldn't leave, I was surrounded by people I knew in my local arts community and it would have been viewed as an insult... so I suffered through it... correction, actually I fell asleep a couple of times out of sheer boredom, and from my own personal inability to listen to constant screeching soundtracks, they irritate me and I escape through sleep. I probably slept 3x5-10 minutes in the middle section, when awaken, it felt like the exact same *beep* on screen than in the first 20 minutes. Nothing progresses. Catastrophe, solution, end. That's not progression of storyline. Maybe it's just a boring book? :(

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