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Penry-Jones' Wentworth


It's strange, but I don't think Rupert Penry Jones is handsome at all. He looks too cold. Some people don't like P95 because the actors are not very atractive and they look too old. I personally love that version. Ciaran Hinds may not be a good-looking man, but his performance melted me. I believe him, you know?

In short, what I wanted to say is that one of the (many, many) reasons I don't like this version is poor Penry-Jones' looks.

Does anyone think like me? Is it his acting, or am I that shallow?


Annie, from Argentina

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Rupert Penry-Jones is not my type either. When I saw a picture of him before I watched this adaptation, I thought: "Oh no!" If I had only seen pictures of Capt. Wentworth and not the performances, I would have opted for Ciarán Hinds.

But Rupert Penry-Jones convinced me in the role. I don't think he came across as cold at all, he had such a warm and tender voice. There is a sadness about him in the beginning that convinced me that his heart is indeed broken. And he comes across as more refined than Ciarán Hinds. There are a few scenes where Hinds (who IMO isn't unattractive at all as Capt. Wentworth) reminds me of a rather unrefined man. Hinds' portrayal somehow lacks sensitivity. I find it hard to believe him that he is an educated man who is interested in arts and music. But that's how the character is supposed to be according to the book.

For these reasons IMO Penry-Jones is a more believable Capt. Wentworth. But I'm fine with Ciarán Hinds as well. I have other objections against the two adaptations than the male leads.

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I found him to be quite stirring, suitable in this role - "magnificent" is a word that comes to mind (tho' perhaps a bit 'too much'). On satellite I can set up to a week ahead, and have all the showings programmed to come on - despite the fact that I ordered a copy through Amazon dot com and it came several days ago !
Sadly, probably won't see the other versions - scanned through the cast lists & saw the advertisements - and this version moves me too much to possibly dilute it with the others !

She has a bit of an "overbite" but it is endearing - and the mannerisms of the time portrayed by all very well - it is easy to dislike (hate) the selfish, self-centered ones - several I'd like to take and shake soundly !

KB in central Florida, USA

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I find him quite, quite handsome, too handsome for this role. But the problem with RPJ in this role is not his looks or even his acting abilities in general -- it's the script. He comes off as dull and gloomy. No humor, no charm. Someone had no clue who these characters are. Can you see this man in command of ship?

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You said it much better ^^. It's true, Wentworth is supposed to be charming... Everyvody loves him! And RPJ's looks weren't enough... at least for me.

I thought it was only because I don't like blonde men :P

Annie, from Argentina

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Well, I probably ought to watch it again to check this out, but as far as I am concerned I wasn't bewitched by the charm of Ciarán Hinds either.

As far as I remember, in both adaptations the male leads didn't have a lot of chances to prove their humor and charm. Yet, more than in the book where there is hardly any dialogue.

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It isn't just that he's supposed to be good looking. In fact, in the book he is more healthy-looking than Greek-god beautiful. The key to Wentworth's charm is that he's the life of the party: vivacious, humorous. His resentment of Anne only rarely cracks the surface, and even then it's gone in an instant. Wentworth at the beginning knows the fact that he's a catch and thinks that he's ready to be caught by some pretty young thing. Anne herself is convinced that he's moved on and that his primary feeling for her is disdain for her weakness of character, not pain at her rejection.

RPJ seemed to glower all the time, like some Mr.Darcy-clone. Wentworth and Darcy are two totally different characters. Although I think RPJ is physically handsome enough for anything (the OP and I disagree on that point), I hated this version in no small part because he completely lacked Frederick Wentworth's trademark charming personality. I don't know if it was an acting fail or a directing fail, but it ruined the film for me.

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Do you think one has to be charming to be in command of a ship?

I agree with you that it is easier to imagine Ciarán Hinds commanding a ship than Rupert Penry-Jones (who looks even younger than he is), but for me it is easier to imagine Rupert Penry-Jones reading books and loving music. Penry-Jones gives the impression of a refined man, whereas IMO Hinds comes across as a rather down-to-earth character.

Yet, Capt. Wentworth has to be highly educated and to be interested in literature, for the narrator tells us about Anne and him: there could have been no two hearts so open, no tastes so similar, no feelings so in unison, no countenances so beloved

And, after all, a down-to-earth character would hardly be so romantic as to be hopelessely in love with the same woman for more than eight years.

In Ciarán Hinds' case I found it hard to understand why he doesn't propose to Louisa Musgrove. He is exactly the kind of man who would be most happy to marry a Louisa Musgrove: a pretty young girl with a lively temper who laughs heartily about his Navy anecdotes. Why should he be looking for something more, for a bookish woman?

It is a pity that neither of the two screenplays gave Capt. Wentworth the chance to show this aspect of his personality, that he is an educated man who enjoys reading and who is able to have a conversation about subjects that could interest Anne:

"My idea of good company, Mr Elliot, is the company of clever, well-informed people, who have a great deal of conversation; that is what I call good company."

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I loved RPJ in this.

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So did I! Absolutely loved him!

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Me too!

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The character was meant to have a certain amount of coldness. He was not written to be light hearted, he was supposed to be a little bitter and jaded.

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He was only cold and bitter with Anne and her relatives who had convinced her to reject him. With everyone else, he was cheerful, unreserved and friendly--he's frequently described as such, and the Musgroves are quite taken with his friendly manner and good nature when they first meet him.

Come, we must press against the tide of naughtiness. Mind your step.

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So true.

From chapter 7, after Mary and Charles first meet Frederick:

There had been music, singing, talking, laughing, all that was most agreeable; charming manners in Captain Wentworth, no shyness or reserve;


And they never see any reason to think otherwise.

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I agree. He was cold to Anne and also overly nice to the Musgrove girls as an "in your face" to Anne. I just meant he was never written or meant to be a happy go lucky guy. No man that Austen wrote or cared about were. Every male character she wrote about with true feeling and respect had a certain amount of seriousness and reserve.

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I quoted the text in my post, and the Musgroves (Charles and Mary) said there was 'no shyness or reserve' in his personality.

No, he's not a sparkling personality, but he is not as reserved as, say, Darcy or Brandon. He's considerably more open than they are. He laughs and knows how to enjoy himself.






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Much less reserved indeed!


He was, at that time, a remarkably fine young man, with a great deal of intelligence, spirit, and brilliancy

He had been lucky in his profession; but spending freely, what had come freely, had realized nothing. But he was confident that he should soon be rich: full of life and ardour

Such confidence, powerful in its own warmth, and bewitching in the wit which often expressed it

His sanguine temper, and fearlessness of mind

charming manners [...], no shyness or reserve

the years which had destroyed her youth and bloom had only given him a more glowing, manly, open look, in no respect lessening his personal advantages. She had seen the same Frederick Wentworth.

she had shewn a feebleness of character in doing so, which his own decided, confident temper could not endure.

His bright proud eye spoke the conviction that he was nice

His profession qualified him, his disposition lead him, to talk

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I hear you Mary and I was not doubting your quote. I also don't think Charles and Mary would be considered the most observant or aware characters. JMO. I do really enjoy conversations like this with real Austen fans BTW. Clearly Anne also remembered him as fun and out going, my point was more about how he acted around her. I am no Austen so my writing is by no means going to be as well formed!

What I loved about Persuasion was how fully formed and complex Anne and Wentworth were.

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Anne and Frederick are my favorite Austen couple, so you won't get any argument from me!


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RPJ is not at all a bad-looking man, but he did, for me, lack a certain charisma which would have made his rather adolescent-faced captainship believable. This, combined with - as I found it - only a sporadic chemistry with Ms. Hawkins' Anne Elliot, rendered this particular version, not unpalatable, but really rather dull.

I did actually believe his declaration at the Cobb to his friend that his love had always, only been Anne, but I found little other occasion to find such love credible, particularly when he was in company with her. As I can believe the one and not the other, I do not blame the actor so much as the screenwriter, director and editor. I might even blame casting somewhat, as the lack of interpersonal tension is palpable when put up against that found in the self-projected ideal.

But in the end, the result is the same - RPJ makes quite a fine picture in this version, but not quite so much a character. I don't hate him; I don't even dislike him. I like him well enough, in fact, but I would not make him into the hero if Austen hadn't told me outright that he must be so.

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You can read what I thought about RPJ's Wentworth as well as the rest of the adaptation in my review, which I just finished today. I hated it even more than ever this time, sadly. http://marspeach.wordpress.com/2011/04/14/persuasion-2007-review/

Read my reviews at my blog- http://marspeach.wordpress.com

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Your review is dead on, Marspeach.

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I agree.

Ok, RPJ is less obviously robust looking, but he looked healthy and reasonably strong. I could imagine him working wonders with a quadrant and maps, and he'd keep reasonably calm in battle. You could rely on him through a storm. I could see him as a naval officer in the style of a Hornblower movie, for example, which is more about a battle of wits and applying the rulebook than battling pirates and smugglers, more CH version's department it would seem. And yes, it was more believable that Wentworth had other interests, books, music etc.

As for his supposed coldness, Anne remembers this confident, happy young chap, with an open mind and temper, but he is obviously more reserved now as an older and more mature person. He no longer clicks with a younger girl like Louisa - the scene at the Cobb shows how dangerous a relationship like that would be. He is also, as he freely admits later, angry and resentful with Anne, so tries to ignore her. He can't hide his actual kind and proactive nature though, such as when he arranges a ride for her etc. He is still thinking about her.

Sally Hawkins is theoretically good casting, but she does make her Anne a little gaspy and the costume departments perhaps don't quite succeed.

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Handsome or not, I dunno. Being a guy, that's not what I notice. But I like this version of Persuasion best, including RPJ as Capt W. It's the one I pull off the shelf most often. I like Amando R as Anne well enough, but don't enjoy watching Cirian Hinds. In the 71 version, Marshal is ok as Capt Wentworth, but I have trouble enjoying Ann Firbank as the overly reserved Anne.

my god its full of stars

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I've never seen the 1971 version so can't comment on that, but I loved RPJ as Wentworth. I can see why someone like Anne Elliot would fall for him. I can totally see him commanding a ship and leading in a battle. Perhaps he doesn't have the hardened look of someone who's been exposed to every weather-like CH, but on the other hand he's more believable as a man who likes books/music...
I like both RPJ and CH in the role, for different reasons, but I think I prefer RPJ overall: considering he had a worse script to work with, he did ok.


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I loved him in this, really captured the character for me. Although as a big fan of RPJ it's hardly surprising. Just watching it again for the first time in ages and it's as good as I remembered. I only wish it could have been a bit longer, maybe stretched out to a couple of episodes ..... But that's just me.

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Persuasion is a comparatively short novel but maybe they could have stretched that kiss out for another episode. Nah, never mind.

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