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Everyone's Missed The Point


I Can't believe that everyone's missed the point in this movie

She was dead, Liam Neeson wasn't a killer, he really could talk to the dead

He kept photo's of the corpses to remind himself of the people he'd helped, not the people he'd murdered.

The boy's mother was also obviously dead, remember when he told the boy that the first person he talked to, after they'd died, was his mother - he and the boy shared the same gift. The boy could also see the dead chick and even buried it.

The whole film was about him trying to help her accept her death

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She is not dead, obviously!

The chicken in the beginning was alive but the kid said that it wasn't. He didn't know why was he telling that, but Liam explained that afterwards on the cemetery with centence that Ann wasn't dead. She just dont have life in her anymore. Meaning: "She doesn't deserve to live anymore', by his criterias.

And I just want to say one more thing: The idea for the movie was pretty much ok, but scenario and the way how the movie was directed was very bad, to my opinion. Acting was also on quite low level, and when I sum all ot those stuff, this was very disappointed film for me.

Not exactly the same story, but I strongly recommend everyone to watch Rigor Mortis (2013) and see what good movie is really about when it is abuot life and dead.

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No, sorry, you missed the point. She was clearly alive. He never prepped her body for burial, he had to continually drug her to slow her metabolism, turn down the temperature in the room, showed her breath on a mirror twice (first time nervously wiping it away before she could see it...absolute 100% give away) and his clear nervousness when Paul approached Anna at her funeral. She was also breathing during her viewing as you could see her chest visibly rise and fall, prompting Deacon to close the casket in the middle of the service, which should be odd to everyone there. It was to Paul, that's why he leaned in close to Anna, but claimed she was so cold so Deacon wouldn't think he saw her movement.

Deacon absolutely was a serial killer. As evidenced by 1) the first funeral Anna attends where the deceased had open eyes and then opened his mouth and Anna noticed it and gasped. Deacon saw this. Also could have been motivation for Anna to be the next target. 2) The cabinet with all the photos and the brown bags with their possessions, these were his trophies. Anna's phone rings. He sees it and deliberately ignores it. Someone genuine would speak with the family, welcome their requests to see her and return her personal belongings. 3) There was an actually deceased victim that Anna watches him prepare for burial. He stitches the mouth closed and other formal necessary preps to an actually deceased person prior to burial. Clearly, none done to Anna. 4) Deacon's need to recruit an apprentice and then setting up the murder of Paul because he knew that Deacon held Anna and buried her alive, so his necessary death to tie up all loose ends.

The boy's mother's "death" was figurative and not literal. She was an absentee mother. She had no real interest in his life. After Paul, it is quite likely that they will set up his mother and make her believe she is dead too, and bury her alive..just like Deacon.

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I've read some comments, not all of them. Anyway, I belong to the "she's alive group".

Everything was basically already said.

Maybe I would also add this, I don't know if anyone mentioned it fully.

At the very end we see Jacko the apprentice and his Darth Lord sitting in a van, when the ambulance drives by. Darth Lord puts on some calm music. LOL. They were waiting for the ambulance to arrive at the place of the accident. This way Darth Lord and Jacko can be the first ones at the scene. He can then confirm death or not.

And at the time of Miss Ricci's accident, we see his van too. He's driving right behind her, honking. I'm assuming he was also the one who confirmed her death.

Besides, the guy was obviously disturbed. Would a sane person provoke someone to go dig up a body two seconds after the funeral? While that person was clearly drunk? If that's not an indication of an unstable mind at the end, I don't know what is. He shows his true face, right then and there, in that scene.

And by the way. He stores the possessions of his victims in the closet in his office. And the photos on the wall ... well, we know what serial killers want and need. Trophies. Rituals. Perfection in everything.

And finally - every flower had to be just perfect. Every loose little part of the flower had to go away.

But to end things on a different note, just since I don't think anyone has mentioned it.

He always knows the favorite flower of the deceased - how is that possible? ;)


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Oh yeh, I forgot another little detail.

Eliot claims he helps the deceased transition into the afterlife. Ironically, he has a fit with the "corpse" who gets a visit from the cop. He taunts the old man and is saying to him: "why won't you speak now?" or something along those lines. We see in one of the previous scenes he has sawn the old man's mouth shut. This, to me, was an indication that the old man was really mouthing him off and basically pissing him off. Eliot literaly shuts him up and then taunts him. He gets really angry at the old man. Really noble for someone who helps the dead with their transition. Ofcourse we don't see the man move or anything because he was given that drug because this happened right after the cop visited. He does the same thing to Anna right before her mother comes.

Unstable all the way.

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The only impression I got was that she was still alive, just as her boyfriend was at the end of the film. We see the funeral director lying in wait as boyfriend hits tree. He (it is strongly implied) injects him with the drug so he is pronounced dead. It left no doubt in my mind that she was alive.


Life can be arbitrary and comes without a warranty.

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I'm going with 'alive' too, although it makes the film weaker.

Because if she were alive, her lack of hunger/thirst is confusing. Also being naked in a cold place and not shivering. Plus when she smashes glass all over the floor, and not cutting herself. And if she is defecating 'off camera' then this would have confirmed her thoughts about alive/dead which she was confused about for lots of her time.

Also, his actions at various points make it clear that he thinks others can see her - the stolen keys being one good example.

So the whole 'psychopath' killer might be where the director aimed, but I think had it just been about the acceptance of death, and the impact death has on the living, it would have been a better movie.

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I'm sorry, but it seems to me YOU'VE missed the point.

"According to an interview with the director as shown on the film's DVD, Anna was alive, and there are many clues throughout that point to this. Just before Anna's accident, she is being tailgated by a white van that we later learn belongs to Deacon. About 60 minutes into the movie, Anna is in a room with Deacon with a mirror. She admits that she looks like a corpse, closes her eyes, and exhales. Her breath fogs up the mirror, which Deacon wipes away before she reopens her eyes. When Paul is at the police station, one of the cops mentions that a drug exists that could slow heartbeat to almost nothing and cause paralysis. When we see Deacon giving Anna an injection shortly after, the vial has the same name on it. Note that it is pointless to inject a corpse with anything because there is no blood flow and therefore no way to circulate a drug through the body. There is also the scene between Anna and Deacon where she sees her breath condensation on the handheld mirror and panics, screaming "You lied to me!" Deacon is in fact a psychopath, who takes it upon himself to decide who gets to live. The final clue is when Deacon puts Anna's picture on his wall, and we pan out to see all of the pictures. Some of the people have eyes open, other eyes closed. Wojtowicz-Vosloo says that those whose eyes were open were, like Anna, ones who were not really dead."

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oh wow, you are so clever.

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Liam Neeson's character could not see the dead, yes they played with that idea throughout the film as if that was true, but than the evidence we see throughout disputes this as not being fact:

1. There are two incidences in which we see her breath on the mirror, the first time Anna doesn't notice it and he looks worried than wipes it off. The 2nd time was right before he was able to drug her one last time and she even ask "Why'd you lie to me" and he replies "You were so close"

2. The cut on her head is healing, dead flesh does not continue to heal it actually does the opposite and decays because the cells in our bodies that helps heal are now dead.

3. The fact she actually causes damage and whatnot to the physical world. Now this can be argued as she can be a ghost being able to physically caused harm, but I don't think that is the case and with the boy seeing her in the window as a solid being this proves that point.

4. I think it is hinted at at the end that he may have caused the accident at the start as we see him waiting for for Paul's car and the kid ask "Is it done yet?"

5. The cop does mention there is a medicine that can be used to weaken your joints and slow your heart down to the point of no pulse. This is something we know he would know and we did see him using the stuff.

6. Finally at the funeral when Paul bends down to kiss Anna's lips and he holds Anna's hand that is legitimate worry in his eyes when he thinks Paul will notice she is alive.

My feeling is that he sees those who are not happy with their lives and decides to make them appreciate that life by making them think they are dead and keeping them around to ponder what their regrets are. Toward the end he holds the door open giving her a chance to rejoin the living world, now it is possible he knew she wouldn't and was giving himself a justification for what was going to happen.

I really liked the film, it did drag in some areas but overall it was a great film that is better when you pay attention. I didn't like that it ended the way it did, but its the age where everything has to end on a downer.

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I just watched this movie also and i think she was dead but the movie was meant to give us the idea that she could be alive

I didnt see most of the start of the movie but the ending is a dead giveaway that she was dead because of what she said and that her boyfriend was also dead (when we see him think he is alive it was the same with her)

I think the way the movie made it seem like she was alive was great for the people watching so we didnt know if she was alive or dead


I dont believe the thing about eyes being open or closed because he could take the picture without thinking of closing the eyes first or for other reasons (to make her look better in the picture etc) as a way to keep a good picture of her for her family/friends who knows

And i also seen the little boys picture at the end thus her being alive makes no sense because we know the boy is dead and he can see him/talk to him etc so he has to be a ghost/sprit/etc

Thus he can see dead people even if she was alive but that wouldnt make any sense

edit:also to everyone saying him turning the air down to make it seem like shes dead or whatever... i think this helps something to do with dead bodies as other movies do this also so its cold in the room the bodies are in

Not sure what it does but i dont think this means what everyone think it means

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