I was wondering how often people were naked. Do you think a group of seventeen year olds could handle it? We're doing a paper for a lit class and came across this film while researching foreign films to watch. We really want to watch it, but aren't really interested if we have to see full frontal male nudity. Thanks for your help!
shareThere are several nude scenes in the film, one at the beginning on a naturist beach, a couple caught having sex, a woman and a man sharing a bath and a group of people sun bathing nude. Although both genders, adults and children are shown "Full Frontal" none of these scenes are gratuitous, sexualised or overly extended and entirely fit within the context of the film. In my opinion a group of 16 or 17 year olds could easily cope with that aspect.
What really disturbed me though was the view into the mindset of the group where violence becomes morally justified and self perpetuating with those responsible deriving a sense of self-actualisation from their actions. Which I'm sure is exactly as intended.
No offense, but I am slightly amused by the fact that obviously the most important thing in a movie where dozens of innocent and not so innocent people are getting killed in a pretty graphic way seems to be the concern of seeing male genitalia.
shareI know -- very typical of an American, if that indeed happens to be the case. Who cares how many people are shot -- "If there is any male nudity, it must be an outrage against humanity!" O.P. doesn't worry that the teenagers will be exposed to extreme violence, but nudity may be far too much for them to handle.
shareI dont have pants on when i write this. Oooga booga.
Seriously, this film isnt nearly as bad as Bruno for genetalia, but it is about as bad as Borat.
But get over it, its just genetalia. You are 17, and have probably already had sex in this day and age.
If you're 17 and the possibility of male nudity is putting you off watching a movie, then I'd say you're definitely not mature enough to deal with either the violence or political aspects of this film.
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in case you haven't noticed there are some serious ammunition factories operating full-time in Sherman Oaks, California
shareSo typically American.
shareSo typically American.
Now now play nice, Andy :)
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by htowninsomniac (Sat Jan 30 2010 22:09:04)
So typically American.
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I think this would be a more appropriate response"
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation." H. Spencer
I got a bit of culture shock too. After that first initial scene I thought "How in the hell did this ever make it past those censors?" In a time when the American goverment and it's bureaus are legislating a plethora of child protection laws, this film somehow slipped right by them. Surprisingly I saw this on American Cable TV and not a movie theatre. Anyhow that said, I'm not sure I'd want to be in HMYJNASxx's class that day when the FBI and/or police raid it and confiscate the tape and arrest everyone in the room under said child protction statutes. That would certainly be embarassing not to mention the inclusive consequences of then being classified as a sex offender. Ouch!!!
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If Jimmy cracked corn and no one cares, why is there a song about it?
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Thats a really good question, so how is this for an answer?.. because somebody was bound to notice that no one cared :)
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It IS typically american to get upset by nudity and feeling comfortable with horrific violence. where is the logic in that? Im swedish and we do have some sort of natural relation to nudity. Most people arent upset by nudity in Astrid Lindgrens pictures, or nudity at the beach. Its perfectly normal and we also have saunas where peole get to sweat together, men AND women, kids and adults. And there is nothing strange or wrong about that.
Why is nudity so dangerous when violence isnt?
You can feel how you feel about nudity, but what annoys me is when people point fingers and call Americans weird or whatever else they call us for feeling this way. I'm not gonna apologize for being uncomfortable seeing little kids naked.
If Jimmy cracked corn and no one cares, why is there a song about it?
Because illogical behavior is usually called out as such. Being freaked out by nudity but not by violence is totally hilarious to a big part of the world. And I will not apologize for ridiculing it.
shareIf Americans only understood Alice D. in Wonderland was about drugs...
I've been loving too much, caring too little -- TormentoR.
You assume much. Maybe the OP is from the UK, or a Swede with a decent command of English.
Personally I think the post is a put-on to get just this sort of thing started. Trolls know it's a classic and never fails.
I so totally agree. The heartfelt replies to the "question" really cracked me up. I almost bought it until the line about "male" nudity. Then I knew it was on.
shareAnd such a typically European response. How do you find the time to slight Americans between not bathing, not brushing your teeth, and beating each other into pulps at football matches?
shareAs opposed to "So typically European" which is to say if there are millions to be killed, let those in Europe move to the front of the line. From the Crusades to the second world war, to the slaughters in their colonies in Africa.
Yes..you darn Americans who don't want to see some man's penis. Now just shut up and go wipe out a few thousand lives.
OMG, naked people. Go hide in Nebraska. As a matter of fact, never crack a book.
sharei don't get how its "European" to run around butt naked or be more tolerant toward excessive nudity. as a student of history, its was Europeans who floated around the world overly dressed judging all the naked natives as animals and demons because they did not wear giant metal impractical suits. I don't mind nudity on screen if it has some sort of point to the movie or storyline because nudity is a real part of our existence that has a place in art. Bottom line is that Naked children in this movie is unneccesary.
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I respectfully disagree with you about the children. I used to be on those beaches as a child and a adult. The nudity of children means nothing in this film. It just shows how brutal it is for a mother to give up her own happy home and then her children for the "cause". She goes from "taking a vacation from revolution" on a beach, to later telling their terrorist trainers in Jordon, "can you put my children in a Palestinian refugee camp". The Palestinian terrorist answers "yes but you will never see them again".She say "OK". I found that seen to be much more upsetting than watching her children naked.
It proved how much of a nihilist she had become. What better way of showing a very long fall from Eden.
This film shows how very crazy/evil these folks were. I also think that having free sex was a way of being emotionally cut off from what used to be your lovers. Also it was a rebellion.
Spoiler Alert
Second part of the meeting with the terrorist at night while their friend listened in secret was woman #2 telling Arab terrorist that her lover is a Israel spy. Which was a complete lie. So one woman gives up her children like she was throwing away a cigarette butt, second woman throws away her longtime lover because he has become "counter Revolutionary". The Arabs even feel bad for the guy and get him out of the camp.
So I believe that is why the nude happy beach links into that late night Jordan meeting. It was showing how this woman could become so evil. Now that is shocking.
If you are worried about pedophiles watching a whole film to see 30 seconds of naked children. Sorry they could save their $20 and go look for free at their local library's free computers.
Not to sound weird but just once go to a nude beach. It will first impress you at how very un-sexy the people look. Only once have I even seen a attractive woman at a nude beach. But naked children playing in sand that beautiful. As long as they are down the beach, are quiet,and don't play around me getting sand in my food, it great.
The only thing that was shocking in this film is the frank depiction of violence. My cousin was murdered by Mohamed Atta on AA flight 11 on Sept 11, 2001 he was riding in coach. I always hate it when people state these people were "killed" on 9/11. You are killed if your car hits a truck, but if a group of men plan, and execute you. You are murdered.
This film very honestly shows people being MURDERED by terrorist. For that I am very grateful.
I am stiil waiting for morality police to come knocking at the door to confiscate our family photos and/or 8mm coverage of my childhood... LOL... deeming it some kind of pornographic paraphenalia. Somewhere is a filming of me butt naked running out of my house and down my block with a cowboy hat on. Is this to be considered a pornographic display or disturbing?
..Or was this just naked for the sake of just nakedness? :)
Yes, it certainly is culture shock from an American stand point but obscene I certainly didn't think so. Come on now! Be honest!!! there aren't naked pictures of little ole' YOU floating around someplace that was not only circulated and viewed by family & friends of family but distributed to them all as well?
If so did/does that display really hold any bearing or significance in your personal life? (Boy! I really hope I'm not speaking to somebody working in the adult industries in any capacity because these could just be a series of mute questions ...LOL :)
That is all that was meant to be seen as, part of the bigger picture. Now looking back on this it wasn't quite as disturbing as what was to follow. You know I really hadn't thought about my aforementioned experience until after the movie was over and I came into these discussion boards.
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"Somewhere is a filming of me butt naked running out of my house and down my block with a cowboy hat on."
I think such home movies exist of most of us Americans. But with the cowboy hat, now THAT is plumb crazy! You have me cracking up with that one.
I'll say one thing about Americans. At least we don't require our women to wear a head to toe body covering. That would really be prudish. Me, I kind of like a girl with a pair of shorts, tank top or t shirt, nothing too tight or revealing. But the most important thing is to have a nice smile and personality, and like to have fun. Like the song goes.... "dim the lights, you can guess the rest"
(sorry, I had use lyrics from a British band instead of American band)
Love's turned to lust and blood's turned to dust in my heart.
I was wondering how often people were naked. Do you think a group of seventeen year olds could handle it?
Well put.
Naked children are part of our existence and only minds that have been brainwashed by religious fanatics can even consider this an issue.
This whole film is so full of violence that the nudity is a minor addition. Yes we in the USA can't handle naked people in any which way...why because only Americans bring up the nudity issue. Surely the Europeans can't all be perverts and Americans are pure in mind...
What I found annoying however were the curse words in the subtitles when in reality the words used by the actors in German were much more subtle. Example:
in German "Quatsch" - subtitle version "Bull$hit" .
It's sad that the Commies were just over the border holding Germans hostage and these people were honoring the likes of Che.
I have to agree with the OP, there SHOULD have been graphic nudity. Public nudity when swimming or sunbathing is a recognized part of German family life.
It's only here in the U.S. that hysterical prudery questions the natural-ness of adult and child nudity.
And that is a recent development. Nudity during swimming was hardly questioned in the U.S. in the 1920's, 1930's, and 1940's, but is a recent (1950's to present) right-wing development similar to the right wing demonizing of gays (who had also been accepted and mostly ignored through the 1930-1940's).
It seems to me that the U.S. Christian churches and the evangelical right wing that infest them have a continuing interest in painting different parts of the American public as enemies. Examples are the blacks in 1960's and 1970's, the Jews in the 1920's thru the 1940's, the hippies in the 1970's, Latino immigrants in the 1990's thru the present, and now the gays.
An amusing side-note to American's hating of Latino immigrants is the popular heroic view of another group of unwashed illiterate migratory agricultural workers, the cowboys of the 1870's through the 1930's.
There seems to be a real NEED TO HATE associated with many of the attendees of the Christian religions as practiced in the U.S., and the churches have rushed to supply this need.
"Aysha can do anything." - Mr. Toad, in "Outsourced."
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I agree with you overall point, but this comparison:
"This whole film is so full of violence that the nudity is a minor addition."
is a poor analogy and not very logical, as the violence was faked for the camera and the nudity was not.
Don't worry, the RAF is willing to annihilate the US pedophiles. Think of it as a gift.
shareWhile Selish70 had a point regarding the one who began this thread ("HMYJNASxx") not necessarily being an American (since prudery is not exclusively a U.S. trait), let's face it; in all likelihood, American is probably exactly HMYJNASxx's nationality. But then when Selish70 wrote, "Personally I think the post is a put-on to get just this sort of thing started. Trolls know it's a classic and never fails", it gave me pause. What exactly is so unbelievable about a concern regarding cinematic nudity? The IMDb message boards are disappointingly full of them, unfortunately most no doubt coming from equally "moral" Americans.
And when AndrewRobertson wrote, "And such a typical insult... come up with something new for f^ck sake", in response to the criticism, "So typically American," why the outrage? We Americans have to face the music for our ridiculously sexually repressive ways (not that it's correct to automatically lump nudity in with sexuality, but that is the way most in the USA have been conditioned to think), to the point where sexuality permeates every corner of the media, from advertising to television shows. (Which is very ironic, but that is what happens when a subject is treated as mostly taboo and generally "evil.")
What a shame that any hint of nudity is digitally blocked out in practically all magazines and even cable TV shows (supposedly cable once carried the promise of being more liberated than regular broadcast television; we must be grateful for the few stations that don't abide by this principle, interestingly very often the expensive premium channels); the other day there was a marvelous documentary regarding the Sexual Revolution on, I believe, the cable station VH1, and the zeal with which the task to block out anything resembling the "naughty" parts was almost awe-inspiring. There was even footage of innocuous illustrations, or paintings, where women's breasts were clouded out. When the prudery and/or fear reaches this unhealthy degree, it's actually insulting; whom do these cowardly publishers or broadcasters think they are protecting (the answer is most likely themselves, from the wrath of the puritanical extremists, with the threat of banning the products of advertisers never far behind -- as if the puritans are so omnipotent; but of course, no one wants to be branded a "pornographer").
What kind of a message does this secretiveness send the unsophisticated viewers or readers? The message keeps getting reinforced that sexuality and/or nudity is something very dirty and shameful. If those "patriots" as AndrewRobertson, who can't stomach the slightest criticism against Americans, get insulted, I wish they would instead project their rage against the censors; a better way to exhibit patriotism, after all, would be to defend our First Amendment rights.
Incidentally, the Europeans who have their noses in the air about being so superior to Americans regarding sexuality may not be able to crow for much longer; the soft imperialistic ways of the USA are rapidly catching on elsewhere, and the Europeans are growing far more conservative. For example, young French women, almost certainly influenced by a steady diet of repressive American messages, are reportedly now largely refusing to take off their tops while sunbathing.
I'm just arguing semantics, but by definition all nudity is graphic.
shareNo dude, don't watch this movie, instead get a Xbox or a PS3 in the class and enjoy a session of Modern Warfare or Battlefield, headshots are so satisfying.
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