MovieChat Forums > The Man from Earth (2007) Discussion > Can anyone answer this please?

Can anyone answer this please?

posted 10 years ago by AwaixJvd
18 replies | jump to latest

These were the lines which shook me and i want to know the truth about these, if someone can say things authentically.

"The crucifixion.
He blocked the pain
as he had learned to do in Tibet and India.
He also learned to
slow his body processes down to the point where
they were undetectable.
They thought he was dead. So his followers pulled him from the cross, placed him in a cave...His body normalized as
he had trained it to."

These were the lines i took out from subtitles and want to know the truth. I am a Muslim and according to Quran it's something else. Let's leave apart that thing, what do Christians have to say about this? They believe that Christ was nailed and i don't know the name of that school of thought, but Jesus spoke the last words to God while on cross, that why He(God) left him alone?

I am curious about this, and would love to know further about this. I would prefer no criticism and cross-religious discussions, but just the truth.

[–] andy-380-549794 10 years ago

It's a movie script.

[–] katerina_nus 10 years ago

Uh? Because god doesn't exist. Imaginary beings "leave" people alone.

[–] lokis_angels 10 years ago

Wow, you wanted the easy answers you got above?

I think nobody can tell you for sure what happened. Using rope instead of nails would be the more efficient way to do it. Less dramatic, though, so I would vouch for rope.

It is a fact there are people that control their body to such extent that they can slow their heartrate down. It is possible.

Now, the words spoken by Jesus when he was on the cross, again nobody can tell. I never heard the mp3 of that day. Nowadays the word God is used in a none-devotional way, as in 'Oh My God', and 'God, this tastes awful'. Maybe he started that 2000 years ago saying 'God why have you forsaken me', wile he was waiting for his friends to pick him up.

Long story short: nobody that was there is here now. We don't know. All we have is believes. And when it comes to that, in what way (if so) does the christian story differ from the islamic?

[–] Zero_Wolf 10 years ago

I'm not even sure what you are trying to ask with this post.

Most, ok, every Christian would say, "that's not what happened."

Does that answer your question?
______________________
Noah's Ark is a problem.

[–] albionclarke 10 years ago

G'day OvyxZavyd

These were the lines i took out from subtitles and want to know the truth. I am a Muslim and according to Quran it's something else. Let's leave apart that thing, what do Christians have to say about this? They believe that Christ was nailed and i don't know the name of that school of thought, but Jesus spoke the last words to God while on cross, that why He(God) left him alone?

I am curious about this, and would love to know further about this. I would prefer no criticism and cross-religious discussions, but just the truth.

I'm a Christian, so I felt qualified to answer your question.

There is no reference in the New Testament (Al-Enjeel) that says Jesus ever visited Tibet or that he used some special Indian technique to ignore the pain of the crucifixion.

What the Enjeel does say is that he was scourged (flogged with a barbed whip), beaten by an entire company of roman soldiers, nailed to the cross, and after he died had a spear thrust through his side. The spear wound produced water and blood - something I'm told clearly proves that he was dead. Even if he wasn't dead at that point, I find it difficult to believe that afterwards he managed to restore himself naturally afterwards, roll a heavy stone away from his tomb, and then convince his followers that he was victorious over death.

So as a Christian, I'd say that the tale about Jesus going to Tibet and learning special techniques to survive his execution have no foundation in the written account of his life. It's simply an attempt to create a natural explanation for a supernatural event.

I hope that answers your question. There is plenty more I'd love to say about this, but I'm already late for work! I've logged onto this site using my facebook account - so I think you should be able to send me a message if you have any other questions about this.

Take it easy!

[–] AwaixJvd 10 years ago

Thanks a lot for your kind knowledge. I would certainly keep it in mind and would message you if i wanted further information.
What is your Facebook ID? mine is https://www.facebook.com/awaisjvd if you don't feel bad, add me or give me your ID i will add you.

[–] TheAstor 10 years ago

I find it difficult to believe that afterwards he managed to restore himself naturally afterwards, roll a heavy stone away from his tomb, and then convince his followers that he was victorious over death.

But believing he was completely resurrected, and then flew up bodily to heaven is more believable?

Also he wouldn't have had to convince his followers that he was victorious over death, they would have assumed that naturally given that they thought he did die, and then they saw him alive.

Plus he never tried to convince them that he was victorious over death, he tried to get away without them seeing him remember. And given that he never actually died, he would never have tried to convince them that he did win over death. He would have told them the truth.

[–] dirtyfinger 10 years ago

Well, John Oldman doesn't claim he is the biblical Jesus. He says he is the man that inspired the Jesus stories, which grew in the retelling.

And no, I don't believe the meditating Jesus story either.
Jesus was a man, a preacher, a zealot and he died on the cross. And he didn't get up from that, either.

But if I was a disciple of him, I sure would have told everyone that he did.

[–] TheAstor 10 years ago

Actually there's two different accounts of what Jesus said on the cross:

1. "Father, why have you foresaken me?"

2. "Forgive them father, for they know not what they do"

These aren't just different accounts of what he said, they're different accounts of his mindset. The first shows a Jesus who was confused and scared by what was happening to him. The second is a Jesus who was fully aware and accepting of what was happening to him.

[–] mail-53-1337 10 years ago

Actually there's two different accounts of what Jesus said on the cross:

He said more than that on the cross. The first quote christians attribute to when Christ 'took' the sin of the world, cutting him off from God. But like I said he said more than those two things, he was there for hours wasn't he, according to the story?

[–] TheAstor 10 years ago

I'm talking about the different and contradictory accounts of the crucifiction in the gospels. In Mark and Matthew, Jesus cries out to God wondering why he has forsaken him. In Luke he doesn't do that, but instead is accepting of his fate and asks God to forgive his killers.

They're contradictory accounts of what Jesus said and how he acted on the cross.

That's just one example, the gospels are chock full of contradictions. That's the problem with the bible, it's not a single book, it's a collection of books written by different anonymous authors who have different opinions on what actually happened.

So we actually don't know for sure what Jesus said on the cross, maybe all the authors got it wrong, who knows, what we know is that they can't all be right.

[–] mail-53-1337 10 years ago

So we actually don't know for sure what Jesus said on the cross, maybe all the authors got it wrong, who knows, what we know is that they can't all be right.

ah, i can imagine him saying all of them and i don't see a contradiction. thats all. If i put myself in that situation and over a span of hours i could see myself saying the same, changing attitudes the same. But anyway, i have no doubt people will see contradictions where others don't. It's the nature of the beast. The gospels are written by people with very different outlooks on life, they value and record different things.

[–] TheAstor 10 years ago

You can believe that if you want, but just know that you're basically creating your own gospel at that point, as none of the other gospels say he said both things. You're essentially doing what's been done too many times before and editing and re-arranging texts to create a new version of the events.

And where do you stop, what about the other contradictions. According to Mark Jesus died the day after passover, but according to John, he died the day before passover.

Did Jesus carry the cross the entire way by himself, or did Simon of Cyrene help him? Depends which gospel you read. Did bother robbers on the crosses next to Jesus mock him, or did only one mock him and the other came to his defense? Depends which gospel you read.

Did the curtain in the temple rip befoe Jesus died, or after? Depends which Gospel you read. Those are just differences in the cruficiation, there's even more when it comes to the resurrection.

We have no way of knowing which account is true, or if any of them are true, as these are just stories passed down by oral tradition written down by anonymous authors 40-60 years after the fact.

The only truly reliable thing is that he was crucified, everything else is not historically reliable.

[–] mail-53-1337 10 years ago

The only major contradictions occur when people read it without the knowledge (usually of a Jew) which the writer expects you to know. Look, I did a quick google search and this was the first result. It clearly explains how Mark and John do not have contradicting accounts.

http://www.increasinglearning.com/blog/bible-contradiction-did-jesus-die-before-or-after-the-passover

I'm not going to go through all your examples as you have the internet and are quite capable of researching these things. suffice it to say I have done the research and when you look deeper most contradictions boil down to slight syntax differences.

[–] TheAstor 10 years ago

That article and website is by Bill Fortenberry, he's a young earth creationist... He's not a trustworthy source. Look into the subject by Bart Erhman's work, he's one of the leading scholars in the world on the historicity of the bible and Jesus.

[–] chuck-526 9 years ago

It seems to me that wanting "the truth" about such questions is a fools errand. No matter who you ask or where you search, there just plain are no answers to such questions. The real world isn't so black-and-white - there's an awful lot of gray.

Backing up from the idea he blocked the pain as he'd learned to do in Tibet and India: was there really someone there to learn from? Can some yogis really 'block pain'? Yes? No? Maybe? Define 'pain'. Define 'block'...