Anyone else just itching to see the final sketch for the final painting? I know my wife and I were. Is there anywhere this is available to see?
shareWondering the same thing. I was hoping for the DVD to have extras. I guess the morbid nature of me wants to see the death sketch. Ah well, I guess I'm stuck with my stupid imagination.
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Actually, I know exactly what the final pose is.
Just rent Roman, (And if you've seen it already, fast forward to the climactic end).
The final pose is the same pose of the hippie flower chick who wanted to kill herself as her last art project.
That's the same death pose Mason puts them all in.
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Can you explain more precisely what movie it is you are called Roman? and how do you know it is the same murder?
shareThis is like the FAQ in Pulp Fiction whats in the briefcase it is up for the viewer to decide i have 2 theorys
1. Its a picture of her dead(like everyone else is thinking)
2. Her in a wedding gown cause he said "I thought you were they one."
I can easyly say what pose the final painting is;
It is the final moment of the scene where his father killed his mother. Also i can say that as a child Mason saw that scene and we can understand this from the cemetary scene where he saw a little child in the ceremony.
He didn't intent to kill her though, he said "I wanted you to be the one" It's only because she looked at it before he'd finished he killed her, because she "broke the ruled" So....it could have been anything, not necessarily her dead....what I think anyway :)
shareIm still trying to fig out how "breaking the rules" went along with his conversation about Jazz players breaking the rules.
shareMy take was that we don't get to see the final pose because Mason has never painted it. He has always killed the girl before he could paint it.
Thats why he keeps doing it over and over. He's trying to get to the end of the series but always fails.
Thats what he meant when he tells Amber "I thought you were the one."
As in... I thought you were the one I could finally finish with but I was wrong and now you have to die!
The thing is, if it's a blank page or as someone else suggested, it's a sketch of Amber in a wedding gown, why does she appear horrified upon viewing the final sketch? Nope, I say it's most definately a sketch of her dead.
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I agree with LeapingLepers. Amber was scared by what she saw. I think it was a sketch of her dead.
I liked that they never showed the final sketch. It let's people use their own imagination. So there really is no wrong answer. :) :) :)
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I feel that it was very very important for the audience NOT to see the final pose. You can't see it until it's finished. There are rules - Amber broke the rules and look what happened to her. If we saw what the sketch was we would be breaking those rules and we'd be just as vulnerable as Amber-the-Victim. I think it was symbolic and though I would have also liked to see it I think it was a big part of the movie that we didn't - again, because it's just not suppose to be seen.
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At the end of the movie, when he is on the bus, isn't the sketch that he is looking at the final one? It didn't look finished and resembled Amber in a wedding gown. I was thinking it was that also because she kept talking about his future in marriage with the palms earlier in the film. I guess her seeing that kind of freaked her out? Not sure, definitely going to buy this one and watch it again.
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I just watched it again, and based on the "Diana" sketchbook, the one he's looking at on the bus appears to be the 3rd-to-last in his order.
She's sitting straight up, in a robe or something, looking forward. In the Diana sketchbook, a similar sketch appears after the "laying down on the couch" pose, and before the "topless looking over the shoulder" pose.
And then the one after the over the shoulder pose is the one that is ripped out.
Maybe it's his favorite pose of them all. Maybe he's just looking through his sketchbook and that happens to be the one he's looking at at the time, or maybe he's just looking at that picture because it's the last "pure" sketch of her? The sketch of her looking over her shoulder was finished AFTER she found out about the other sketchbooks. So the one before it is the last pose that he had painted with her not being scared of him.
The sketch he's doing on the bus is the one with the Santa hat. We don't see Amber posing with it but Mason wears it on the way to the movie and we see a painting on the wall of her wearing it.
shareAs this is all subjective, I'll throw in my two cents.. The murder/body IS the final painting.. He sketches every pose before painting... The last..climax.. is the most life-like (death-like?) of all.
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I agree with you, except where you say that it's entirely subjective. The movie makes it patently obvious that the last picture is a death sketch.
It's really surprising to me that so many people don't get it. Well, maybe not that surprising.
There is a scene where he storms into the room at the end of the hall..... The next thing we see is him lugging a long black garbage bag over his shounlder and tossing it into a dumpster. Based on that scene, it offers a few possibilities on the final drawing.
1. No decapitation or dismemberment because the bag tossed into the dumpster was long and looked consistent with a whole and intact body.
2. The final scene was bloody. Twice, it showed him at work washing blood from his hand. The first time was at the beginning.....before he dumped the body in the dumpster. The second time was after he killed amber.
The problem with that scene, though, is that it may be in his head. Right after that scene, we see him waking up, so it might have been a dream.
So it may have nothing to do with actually disposing of a body. Since he thinks it's real, he may have imagined going into his bathroom, taking her body that he's been storing in there, and then dumping her in the trash. But in reality, all he did was take down all of the paintings he made, stuffed them in a garbage bag, and then dumped it in the trash (since the paintings are all gone that morning.)
Once he finds a new subject and removes all the previous paintings, he's "dumped the body" and can move on.
Personally, I think Amber was the first woman that he actually killed. He went through all of his previously imagined relationship milestones with her, and then carried out her murder for real.
I also thought Amber might be the first woman Mason killed. For one thing, there were a lot sketchbooks in that drawer. He's lived his entire life in the same place, and he's not that old. If he really killed all those women, then Portland police and the FBI would be looking for a serial killer, and Mason doesn't seem like a man who'd be very clever about hiding his tracks.
Then again, the waitress (Diana?) was not in the diner when Mason goes to look one last time, so maybe he did kill her. But what is he doing with the bodies?
imho..they were all real, and he killed them all. He kept a low profile being a almost mute recluse, and Berkely didn't belive women would come to him to have paintings done. I think he even referred to it as women 'coming in secret' to have paintings done. So close friends and relatives of those women may not have known they had a relationship / interaction with him at all. To them, je was probably not a boyfriend or even close friend worth mentioning to anyone. (to him it may have been more). Or, it may have been a secret affair to the women....who knows! But yes, if he always dumped the bodies in the same dumpster....someone surely would have cought on. It'd be in the news "6th local woman to go missing...etc". Seems like something would have aroused suspicion by now. Unless he and his friend moved at least once or twice over the years to different cities...hmmm.....
shareUntil the end I also waved back and forth whether he killed them or it all just happened in his head. The explanation above fits the best, in my opinion.
Very disturbing movie.
Great acting, brilliant cinematography.
Betimes the arrangements a bit over the top, e.g. face lighting from below.
Though the message that a killer's child becomes a killer too isn't true.
All in all a good gruesome movie.
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